Tuscan color
NW Modeling List
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Fri Jul 4 07:59:56 EDT 2014
Gentleman,
Charlie is correct about N&W going to Shepard's for their paint. I went to
Shepard's myself armed with the paint code for N&W blue which I had gotten
off a lettering blueprint years ago. When the clerk punched in the paint
code I heard him say, "Hmmm... N&W blue" as he began to mix my paint. Later
I had him mix this number for N&W red, DAR2831X. This is what was on the
label:
OEM: 2S MFG:FRD/1977/LINK DELSTAR: DAR2831X H -DARK RED ACRYLIC ENAMEL
So, N&W Tuscan matches a 1977 Lincoln!
Thanks,
Richard D. Shell
ShellScale Decals
In a message dated 7/4/2014 6:50:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes:
Jim
This becomes a large can of worms. I agree with Frank and others about
"what color is correct".
While I was working on the Accucraft 1:32 passenger car project recently,
Charlie Schlotthober [sp?] showed me two different drift cards for N&W
passenger car red used between 1949 and 1958. They were similar, but clearly
different.
The information below was extracted from my notes after multiple phone
calls and a visit to the Archives to meet with Charlie.
a] The original paint on these cars as delivered in 1948-1949 was a
non-metallic paint called N&W Passenger Car Tuscan #4 It is a gloss
non-metallic [no metal flake in the pigment] paint
b] In 1955 the paint was reformulated to have essentially the same color,
but with metal flake added. This color was called N&W Passenger Car
Tuscan #4 metallic
c] Starting in about 1958 or 1959 N&W DISCONTINUED the use of standard
reference color drift cards for passenger cars. From that time on, The
Roanoke car shops would simply go to Shepard's Auto Supply and purchase DuPont
Emron Metallic Red paint a few gallons at a time. So... after that time, c
ars might be 'close' in color, but there was no requirement for consistency.
Charlie said this is how he had the two NS office cars #1 and 2, painted
before he retired.
Charlie says the CLOSEST paint that matches the red used in excursion
service is "Scalecoat N&W Red". It contains a very small amount of powdered
metal flake. He says in a layout room it seems too dark, but in sunlight
it is VERY close. He recommends you purchase that paint and use it as the
sample color. Be sure to have the paint shaken extremely well so that the
metal flake will be uniform. He also suggested using a lighter primer coat
on the car which will help keep the red from appearing "too dark".
Charlie says that in his years of working in the passenger cars shops in
design, painting, and, lettering, no car maintained the SAME color for more
than a few months.
Also, up until 1956, all the cars were varnished after painting. After a
year or so, the varnish would start to discolor [usually a yellow cast],
and that changed the appearance of the cars.
Regards
Jim Stapleton
Purcellville VA
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On 7/3/2014 7:25 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:
FWIW perhaps the model committee could provide a paint chip or drift card
to Tru-Color; I'm sure they would be glad to add N&W Tuscan to their line
of prototypically correct model paints.
Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
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Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 3:28:14 PM
Subject: RE: Tuscan color
Lee;
What both Frank and Ed are talking about occurs in most every society.
Having lived in Milwaukee, WI for several years, I watched an argument between
a pair of Milw. Rd. HS members about the correct color orange on their
passenger cars and other equipment. One member argued that the second was
wrong in that they were all painted the same color & shade of orange. The
second while partially agreed, he stated that they were not all the same color
orange, as he had seen them come out of the paint shops is different shades
of orange, with the paint being ordered at the same time from the same
paint mfgr., which at the time was being delivered in 55 gal drums. The first
individual continued to tell the second he was wrong but finally realized he
had to quit arguing when the second told him that he was one of a half
dozen employees of the Milw. Road who painted their equipment fleet for a
living.....
That being said, the N&W Red from Scalecoat color works well, however it
has a bit of a metallic flake to it. There are several colors I have seen
work fairly well, including WC Maroon. Another color that has just come onto
the market is from TruColor paints, which is very similar in nature to the
old line of Accu-Paint. They are now offering part # TCP-276 - PRR 1948+
Passenger Car Tuscan.
I am sure that somewhere in the archives there is a Paint ID # for the
non-metallic red, that can be shared and closely matched with current
commercial paints from a PPG or ICI paint dealer. I would suggest obtaining a small
amount of said color and try to best match that color by primering a piece
of styrene and top coating the commercial grade paint, and then doing the
same with several colors of model rr paint and seeing which works best for
you and you lighting situation. Keep in mind that some clear coats will
slightly shift the tone of the color of the paint. Also, the color primer will
yield different finish colors as well. Tamyia offers both a white and mild
grey primer paint for example. Darker colors tend to pop more on a lighter
base color.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Russ Goodwin
Buford, GA
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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 23:16:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Tuscan color
To: _nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org_ (mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org)
From: _nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org_ (mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org)
Lee; what Ed is referring to is a "color flame war" that happens every
time N&W Tuscan Red or Pevlar Blue shows up on this list. FWIW, this also
happens on the C&O list with Enchantment Blue, the C&O list and the NYC list
with shades of gray, and probably just about every other model railroad
list.
Hopefully someone who does a lot of painting, and is pleased with the
result, will tell you what mix works for them, and will nicely mention that
with lighting, etc. (the etc. is half a clinic)you may have to make
adjustments. With that I can't help; tuff enough for us Virginian modelers to settle
on workable yellows and black. One thing I can tell you, is that Dr. Jim
EuDaly (he's an eye doc, so this isn't fantasy)actually told us in a clinic
(at a C&O meet)that color actually varies a bit with scale, and (I hope I
got this right)you probably need a tad lighter mix than an HO modeler
would. I can also tell you that your room lighting is probably one of the most
important factors. I guess there's one other thing I should mention
because the more experienced painters consider it so obvious they don't mention
it: make sure the light where you paint is the same as the light on the
layout.
Frank Bongiovanni
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM, NW Modeling List
<_nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org_ (mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org) > wrote:
My favorite modeling list topic!
Ed Painter Narrows,VA living in Dahlonega,GA
On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:21 PM, NW Modeling List <_nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org_
(mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org) > wrote:
I am new member to the modeling list. I am painting an N scale passenger
car set and wondered what color you folks recommend to match the Tuscan
red.
Thank you,
Lee Burns
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