HO N&W steam (was Re: HO Scale limited runs)

[NW Modeling List]

Uh, Ed: did you realize that you just volunteered to do a clinic or share a
clinic podium to the guy who's trying to get presenters in an area where he
doesn't know people??  Thanks.
[can you send your e address to bongiovanni1 at hotmail.com please?]

Frank Bongiovanni
Clinic Guy for the 2011 NWHS convention in Norfolk.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:29 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org

> wrote:



>  Thanks Frank......I somehow forgot the LMB M's.  I have 2 that had been

> my Dad's collection.  A clinic would be a good idea.  I'd be glad to do one

> either alone or with another person at Norfolk this summer.  Perhaps it

> could be extended to include the plastic N&W prototype models too?   There

> has been a lot of progress and improved quality in that area in recient

> years.

>

> Regards, Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in snowy Arkansas (at

> least for today)

>

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> *From:* nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [

> nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List [

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> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:00 PM

> *To:* NW Modeling List

> *Subject:* Re: HO N&W steam (was Re: HO Scale limited runs)

>

>    Thank you Marty and Ed.  And don't forget the LMB N&W 4-8-0.  This can

> be found, is not too expensive, and runs well (okay; mine does).  I'm not in

> a position to vouch for the accuracy.  That said....since I miss Bob Riffe

> too, would anyone like a clinic on N&W and VGN brass at the next

> convention??

>

> Frank Bongiovanni

>

> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:53 PM, NW Modeling List <

> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

>

>>  Some additional brass models of N&W shifters and M-2’s:

>>

>> ·         *Precision Scale Models* produced a very limited run of ex-C&O,

>> N&W  S-1s.  I have one that is factory painted.  This is a very accurate

>> model a rare find and expensive.

>>

>>

>>

>>         These can run from $600 to $1000 if you can find one.

>>

>>

>>

>> ·         *Tenshodo/PFM* produces a *Crown *model of the C&O C-16 and N&W

>> S-1.  I have 3 of these.  Some notes I found on it are be are listed below:

>>

>> The Chesapeake & Ohio C-16 0-8-0's were built by Baldwin in 1948, and

>> served well until 1950 when they were sold to the N&W due to the new

>> dieselization program. The N&W made some changes to the (now S-1) 0-8-0's

>> after they bought them from the C&O. Specifically they added a second air

>> pump to the fireman side, with a bump in the running board above it, and two

>> smaller air tanks. In addition the left check valve was moved higher up the

>> boiler and the headlight was replaced with a different type. They also

>> modified the tenders to N&W design.  The HO Tenshodo brass model was

>> basically well constructed and detailed, for its time, but the engine

>> represented the N&W version, while the tender is the unmodified C&O version.

>> The engine also had Lima, not Baldwin builders plates.  The model as sold

>> was not correct for either railway’s version.

>>

>>         These can go from $175 to $350

>> ·         Precision Scale Models produced models N&W M-2’s, M-2b’s, and

>> M-2c’s.  Very fine quality, accurate models.  I have one of each.

>> These can run from $600 to $1100 ·         Sunset produced a M-2.  I sold

>> mine a while back.  Still a nice model.                 These can go from

>> $350-$600 Ed Painter  - Narrows, VA currently living in Arkansas

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> *From:* nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:

>> nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] *On Behalf Of *NW Modeling List

>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:57 PM

>> *To:* NW Modeling List

>> *Subject:* HO N&W steam (was Re: HO Scale limited runs)

>>

>>

>>

>> The only non-brass N&W steam models that are correct out of the box are

>> the J (Bachmann, Broadway Limited, MTH), A (Broadway Limited), Y3 (Proto),

>> and Y6b (Precision Craft).  Technically, the Proto Y3 models with the

>> footboard pilots are switchers; N&W mainly used them in Roanoke, Portsmouth,

>> Bluefield, and other heavy switching assignments.

>>

>> N&W's most famous switchers were the S1's purchased from C&O, and the S1a

>> copies built in Roanoke.  These were basically modernized USRA 0-8-0s, so

>> you could start with either an IHC or Proto 0-8-0, and modify it to suit

>> your needs.  PFM imported some S1a's, which you should be able to find for

>> less than $800.00.

>>

>> N&W also used older 2-8-0, 4-8-0, and 4-6-0 engines in yard service.  NWSL

>> imported a W2 2-8-0 which can usually be found for well below $500, and

>> Sunset offered the M and M1 4-8-0s.  Bachmann Spectrum's high drivered 4-6-0

>> makes a decent stand in or kitbash starting point for a V1 4-6-0.

>>

>>

>>

>> Marty Flick

>>

>>

>>

>>  ----- Original Message -----

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>> *From:* NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>

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>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2011 4:40 PM

>>

>> *Subject:* Re: HO Scale limited runs

>>

>>

>>

>> Hi all, this is my first posting hope i am doing this right.

>>

>> I have a question, speaking of limited runs. What are my real options for

>> steam n&w locomotives? BESIDES the j, y, and a. I would like a switcher,

>> because i have already have the j and just got a class a. I would like

>> something to switch my yard. I have heard brass is the only real option for

>> a good model, but i cannot find any around or i think it is crazy to pay 800

>> plus dollars for something i need to hack to dcc  and paint myself.....

>>

>> Any suggestions?

>>

>> David

>>

>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:43 PM, NW Modeling List <

>> nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> I think the reality is that the model companies realized that the world

>> changed and that to make a profit, they had to change the way they marketed

>> and sold their products.  It was common for modelers to not buy the initial

>> run of products but wait until the discounters offered a lower price a year

>> or two later.  That action cuts into the manufacturer’s margin as it drives

>> the overall market price (not cost) down on specific items and items in

>> general.

>>

>> For instance, everyone knew that LifeLike would eventually mark down their

>> remaining inventory and sell it through their discounting arm.  They were

>> competing against themselves in essence.  (Dumb.)

>>

>>

>>

>> One of the reasons that the PRR owned so much stock in other railroads and

>> coal  fields in the 1880-90’s and early 1900’s was to *control the

>> freight rates*; railroads were undercutting each other to move coal so

>> much that the profit margin was negligible for the railroad.  By being on

>> the board of a railroad, the PRR men wouldn’t allow poor or risky business

>> practices that would be ultimately bad for all railroads.

>>

>>

>>

>> With the model makers making limited runs, they can take control of the

>> pricing again.  By limiting the production, they can reduce or eliminate the

>> discounting efforts of the distributors or dealers to compete between

>>  themselves.  This keeps the prices up and the resulting margins for the

>> manufacturer.  For most distributors, this is a good thing.  For a ‘basement

>> bomber’ whose business depends on having a lower price than anyone else, he

>> will find it difficult to get inventory or get inventory at a price that

>> makes it possible to him to discount effectively.

>>

>>

>>

>> This is a normal business cycle.  Mass production requires extensive

>> distribution systems to get the thousands of items to thousands of buyers.

>> Periodically, the manufacturer has to ‘clean up’ his distribution system and

>> distribution business model to get his costs and pricing back into a

>> desirable ratio.

>>

>>

>>

>> The market has changed, too.  Most of the buyers today do not want to

>> build anything, paint anything or decal anything.  You can observe this at

>> any model/toy train show.  The scratch building parts don’t sell, decals

>> don’t sell in any volume and complex kits go unsold.

>>

>>

>>

>> Gary Rolih

>>

>> Cincinnati

>>

>>

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