From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Dec 28 00:07:58 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:07:58 -0500
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
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At least they didn't put whitewall tires on it.

EdKing

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From: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:03 PM
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?

> When I first saw the Powhatan Arrow cover, my rivet-counting tendencies 
> came to the fore, and I had to wonder - why not get the cover right, it 
> was a zero-cost option.  Then there's the colorized and over-enhanced Y6 
> cover to consider.
>
> Dave Stephenson
>
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?
>> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 6:45 PM
>
>> The reason I asked this question is that on the front cover of
>> Dixon?s new book that was just released is an illustration of the N&W J > 
>> 604 by Robert West with a double headlight.  It just strikes me funny
>> that a book is printed about the history of the N&W Powhatan Arrow and
>> the cover isn?t historically correct.  Just an observation.
>
>> Stephen Rineair
>
>
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Dec 28 00:10:44 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:10:44 -0500
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
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Of course, it's always been a zero-cost option to put prototypical-looking 
valve gear on models, but nobody seems to care.  Those Proto Y-3s are a lot 
closer to correct than those really expensive As and Y-6bs that are out 
there, not to mention the Botchmann Js.

EdKing

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From: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:03 PM
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?

> When I first saw the Powhatan Arrow cover, my rivet-counting tendencies 
> came to the fore, and I had to wonder - why not get the cover right, it 
> was a zero-cost option.  Then there's the colorized and over-enhanced Y6 
> cover to consider.
>
> Dave Stephenson
>
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?
>> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 6:45 PM
>
>> The reason I asked this question is that on the front cover of
>> Dixon?s new book that was just released is an illustration of the N&W J > 
>> 604 by Robert West with a double headlight.  It just strikes me funny
>> that a book is printed about the history of the N&W Powhatan Arrow and
>> the cover isn?t historically correct.  Just an observation.
>
>> Stephen Rineair
>
>
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Dec 28 09:29:49 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:29:49 EST
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
Message-ID: <d6b.592f57ca.386a1add@aol.com>

Yeah, some zero-cost options really make me wonder what the  manufacturers 
are thinking. The go to the trouble to produce a model and won't  do a five 
minute google search to get the locomotive number at least close -  
especially on diesels. But then again, that is why I make decals!
 
Richard D. Shell
 
P.S. I just did a Google Norfolk and Western Roster search and had correct  
diesel numbers in less than 60 seconds!
 
 
In a message dated 12/28/2009 8:13:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org writes:

Of  course, it's always been a zero-cost option to put prototypical-looking 
 
valve gear on models, but nobody seems to care.  Those Proto Y-3s are  a 
lot 
closer to correct than those really expensive As and Y-6bs that are  out 
there, not to mention the Botchmann  Js.

EdKing

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From:  "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Sunday, December  27, 2009 10:03 PM
To: "NW Modeling List"  <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: RE: Double beam headlights  ?

> When I first saw the Powhatan Arrow cover, my rivet-counting  tendencies 
> came to the fore, and I had to wonder - why not get the  cover right, it 
> was a zero-cost option.  Then there's the  colorized and over-enhanced Y6 
> cover to consider.
>
>  Dave Stephenson
>
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, NW Modeling List  <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
>> From: NW Modeling  List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: RE: Double beam  headlights ?
>> To: "'NW Modeling List'"  <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009,  6:45 PM
>
>> The reason I asked this question is that on the  front cover of
>> Dixon?s new book that was just released is an  illustration of the N&W J 
> 
>> 604 by Robert West with a  double headlight.  It just strikes me funny
>> that a book is  printed about the history of the N&W Powhatan Arrow and
>> the  cover isn?t historically correct.  Just an  observation.
>
>> Stephen Rineair
>
>
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Dec 28 09:40:28 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:40:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
In-Reply-To: <D163E286A3ED4BEABE729010EE991718@601ek604PC>
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which is better the Bachmann J or the BLI J? tony

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:


From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 5:10 AM


Of course, it's always been a zero-cost option to put prototypical-looking valve gear on models, but nobody seems to care.? Those Proto Y-3s are a lot closer to correct than those really expensive As and Y-6bs that are out there, not to mention the Botchmann Js.

EdKing

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From: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:03 PM
To: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?

> When I first saw the Powhatan Arrow cover, my rivet-counting tendencies came to the fore, and I had to wonder - why not get the cover right, it was a zero-cost option.? Then there's the colorized and over-enhanced Y6 cover to consider.
> 
> Dave Stephenson
> 
> --- On Sun, 12/27/09, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
>> From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?
>> To: "'NW Modeling List'" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
>> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 6:45 PM
> 
>> The reason I asked this question is that on the front cover of
>> Dixon?s new book that was just released is an illustration of the N&W J > 604 by Robert West with a double headlight.? It just strikes me funny
>> that a book is printed about the history of the N&W Powhatan Arrow and
>> the cover isn?t historically correct.? Just an observation.
> 
>> Stephen Rineair
> 
> 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Mon Dec 28 07:56:28 2009
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:56:28 -0500
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
In-Reply-To: <025801ca874e$baa5fe40$2ff1fac0$@net>
References: <20091018024620.YGMX11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>	<022401ca8709$8af8b150$a0ea13f0$@net>
	<eadb39f30912271117h6a78a2a9p2ef16cb03f575383@mail.gmail.com>
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I am not in the least surprised. Having worked for Dixon for a number  
of years, I worked very hard to make sure things were correct in his  
books on subjects that I knew something about, not at his expense,  
but my own interest in getting it right in print.

However, at the Bluefield Train Show in November 2005, in regard to  
his own books, Dixon stated to me and my future wife:

"The people who buy these books don't care if they are right or not,  
or the photos look good, they only care if they have photos."

I was appalled. That is a direct quote, not paraphrased or extracted  
from an entire conversation as the media is prone to do.

Ken Miller

On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:45 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:

> The reason I asked this question is that on the front cover of  
> Dixon?s new book that was just released is an illustration of the  
> N&W J 604 by Robert West with a double headlight.  It just strikes  
> me funny that a book is printed about the history of the N&W  
> Powhatan Arrow and the cover isn?t historically correct.  Just an  
> observation.
>
> Stephen Rineair
>
>
>
> From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list- 
> bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:17 PM
> To: NW Modeling List
> Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?
>
>
>
> No excursion service only.
>
> John Rhodes
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling- 
> list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>
> I believe I know the answer to this question, but there seems to  
> always to be an exception to every rule.
>
> Did the N&W steam, particularly the J?s ever have a double beam  
> headlight in the 50?s?
>
> Stephen Rineair
>
>
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:34:27 -0600
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
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References: <20091018024620.YGMX11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>	<022401ca8709$8af8b150$a0ea13f0$@net>	<eadb39f30912271117h6a78a2a9p2ef16cb03f575383@mail.gmail.com>	<025801ca874e$baa5fe40$2ff1fac0$@net>
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I helped Dixon with some of the photos and proof-read his text a couple of
times to make corrections, but knew nothing of the cover painting until I
received the finished book. Robert West does good work, but obviously worked
from excursion 611 photos for the cover painting, and must have been in a
hurry, since the window arrangements on the passenger cars are not
particularly accurate either. This is not his best effort.  Jim Nichols

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org
[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:56 AM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

I am not in the least surprised. Having worked for Dixon for a number of
years, I worked very hard to make sure things were correct in his books on
subjects that I knew something about, not at his expense, but my own
interest in getting it right in print.

 

However, at the Bluefield Train Show in November 2005, in regard to his own
books, Dixon stated to me and my future wife: 

 

"The people who buy these books don't care if they are right or not, or the
photos look good, they only care if they have photos."

 

I was appalled. That is a direct quote, not paraphrased or extracted from an
entire conversation as the media is prone to do.

 

Ken Miller

 

On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:45 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:





The reason I asked this question is that on the front cover of Dixon's new
book that was just released is an illustration of the N&W J 604 by Robert
West with a double headlight.  It just strikes me funny that a book is
printed about the history of the N&W Powhatan Arrow and the cover isn't
historically correct.  Just an observation.

Stephen Rineair

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org
[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:17 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

No excursion service only.

John Rhodes

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, NW Modeling List
<nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

I believe I know the answer to this question, but there seems to always to
be an exception to every rule.

Did the N&W steam, particularly the J's ever have a double beam headlight in
the 50's?

Stephen Rineair


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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:26:00 -0500
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
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References: <20091018024620.YGMX11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>	<022401ca8709$8af8b150$a0ea13f0$@net>	<eadb39f30912271117h6a78a2a9p2ef16cb03f575383@mail.gmail.com>	<025801ca874e$baa5fe40$2ff1fac0$@net><4C1737B6-F99A-40C8-B6AE-AC1A87FF247A@rev.net>
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Jim - did he get the crossheads right?

EdKing


From: NW Modeling List 
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:34 PM
To: 'NW Modeling List' 
Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?


I helped Dixon with some of the photos and proof-read his text a couple of times to make corrections, but knew nothing of the cover painting until I received the finished book. Robert West does good work, but obviously worked from excursion 611 photos for the cover painting, and must have been in a hurry, since the window arrangements on the passenger cars are not particularly accurate either. This is not his best effort.  Jim Nichols

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:56 AM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

I am not in the least surprised. Having worked for Dixon for a number of years, I worked very hard to make sure things were correct in his books on subjects that I knew something about, not at his expense, but my own interest in getting it right in print.

 

However, at the Bluefield Train Show in November 2005, in regard to his own books, Dixon stated to me and my future wife: 

 

"The people who buy these books don't care if they are right or not, or the photos look good, they only care if they have photos."

 

I was appalled. That is a direct quote, not paraphrased or extracted from an entire conversation as the media is prone to do.

 

Ken Miller

 

On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:45 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:





The reason I asked this question is that on the front cover of Dixon's new book that was just released is an illustration of the N&W J 604 by Robert West with a double headlight.  It just strikes me funny that a book is printed about the history of the N&W Powhatan Arrow and the cover isn't historically correct.  Just an observation.

Stephen Rineair

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:17 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

No excursion service only.

John Rhodes

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

I believe I know the answer to this question, but there seems to always to be an exception to every rule.

Did the N&W steam, particularly the J's ever have a double beam headlight in the 50's?

Stephen Rineair


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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:45:17 -0600
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
In-Reply-To: <348B1FDAC5BE4924891BA5FF5EEA9EC5@601ek604PC>
References: <20091018024620.YGMX11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>	<022401ca8709$8af8b150$a0ea13f0$@net>	<eadb39f30912271117h6a78a2a9p2ef16cb03f575383@mail.gmail.com>	<025801ca874e$baa5fe40$2ff1fac0$@net><4C1737B6-F99A-40C8-B6AE-AC1A87FF247A@rev.net>	<002601ca87f4$c52c3860$4f84a920$@net>
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No, not for the 604. But then, you knew that!   Jim Nichols

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org
[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:26 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

Jim - did he get the crossheads right?

 

EdKing

 

From: NW <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>  Modeling List 

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:34 PM

To: 'NW <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>  Modeling List' 

Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?

 

I helped Dixon with some of the photos and proof-read his text a couple of
times to make corrections, but knew nothing of the cover painting until I
received the finished book. Robert West does good work, but obviously worked
from excursion 611 photos for the cover painting, and must have been in a
hurry, since the window arrangements on the passenger cars are not
particularly accurate either. This is not his best effort.  Jim Nichols

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org
[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:56 AM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

I am not in the least surprised. Having worked for Dixon for a number of
years, I worked very hard to make sure things were correct in his books on
subjects that I knew something about, not at his expense, but my own
interest in getting it right in print.

 

However, at the Bluefield Train Show in November 2005, in regard to his own
books, Dixon stated to me and my future wife: 

 

"The people who buy these books don't care if they are right or not, or the
photos look good, they only care if they have photos."

 

I was appalled. That is a direct quote, not paraphrased or extracted from an
entire conversation as the media is prone to do.

 

Ken Miller

 

On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:45 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:

 

The reason I asked this question is that on the front cover of Dixon's new
book that was just released is an illustration of the N&W J 604 by Robert
West with a double headlight.  It just strikes me funny that a book is
printed about the history of the N&W Powhatan Arrow and the cover isn't
historically correct.  Just an observation.

Stephen Rineair

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org
[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:17 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

No excursion service only.

John Rhodes

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, NW Modeling List
<nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

I believe I know the answer to this question, but there seems to always to
be an exception to every rule.

Did the N&W steam, particularly the J's ever have a double beam headlight in
the 50's?

Stephen Rineair


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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:18:42 -0500
Subject: Double beam headlights ?
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Nope.  Haven't seen the book.

EdKing


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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:45 AM
To: 'NW Modeling List' 
Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?


No, not for the 604. But then, you knew that!   Jim Nichols

 

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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:26 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

Jim - did he get the crossheads right?

 

EdKing

 

From: NW Modeling List 

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:34 PM

To: 'NW Modeling List' 

Subject: RE: Double beam headlights ?

 

I helped Dixon with some of the photos and proof-read his text a couple of times to make corrections, but knew nothing of the cover painting until I received the finished book. Robert West does good work, but obviously worked from excursion 611 photos for the cover painting, and must have been in a hurry, since the window arrangements on the passenger cars are not particularly accurate either. This is not his best effort.  Jim Nichols

 

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Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 6:56 AM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

I am not in the least surprised. Having worked for Dixon for a number of years, I worked very hard to make sure things were correct in his books on subjects that I knew something about, not at his expense, but my own interest in getting it right in print.

 

However, at the Bluefield Train Show in November 2005, in regard to his own books, Dixon stated to me and my future wife: 

 

"The people who buy these books don't care if they are right or not, or the photos look good, they only care if they have photos."

 

I was appalled. That is a direct quote, not paraphrased or extracted from an entire conversation as the media is prone to do.

 

Ken Miller

 

On Dec 27, 2009, at 6:45 PM, NW Modeling List wrote:

 

The reason I asked this question is that on the front cover of Dixon's new book that was just released is an illustration of the N&W J 604 by Robert West with a double headlight.  It just strikes me funny that a book is printed about the history of the N&W Powhatan Arrow and the cover isn't historically correct.  Just an observation.

Stephen Rineair

 

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Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 2:17 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Double beam headlights ?

 

No excursion service only.

John Rhodes

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

I believe I know the answer to this question, but there seems to always to be an exception to every rule.

Did the N&W steam, particularly the J's ever have a double beam headlight in the 50's?

Stephen Rineair


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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:11:13 -0500
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
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Does anyone know the detail differences of the 2 tenders used on the N&W
streamlined K2s?

PSC is offering 2 tender version on their K2 model.

Stephen Rineair

 

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:14:35 -0500
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
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Some K2's had rebuilt 22,000 gal. roll-top tenders (extra rivet-line and
body seam where water space was squared off and raised) and some had new
build 22,000 gal.  (no extra seam)  You would need to look at pictures to
figure out which was correct for a certain loco number.

John Rhodes

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:11 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> wrote:

>  Does anyone know the detail differences of the 2 tenders used on the N&W
> streamlined K2s?
>
> PSC is offering 2 tender version on their K2 model.
>
> Stephen Rineair
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:35:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
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There appears to be a difference in the rivet pattern along the bottom horizontal rivet row. Looks like different trucks, too. #129 looks like it has the N&W style 6 wheel tender truck (T-27?) and #125 has a Commonwealth(?) style truck

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns764.jpeg   Loco #125

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns766.jpeg   Loco #129




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To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:14:35 AM
Subject: Re: Streamlined K2 tender?

Some K2's had rebuilt 22,000 gal. roll-top tenders (extra rivet-line and body seam where water space was squared off and raised) and some had new build 22,000 gal.  (no extra seam)  You would need to look at pictures to figure out which was correct for a certain loco number.

John Rhodes


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>Does anyone know
>the detail differences of the 2 tenders used on the N&W streamlined K2s?
>PSC is offering 2
>tender version on their K2 model.
>Stephen Rineair
> 
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:35:09 -0500
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
References: <20091018024620.YGMX11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net><022401ca8709$8af8b150$a0ea13f0$@net><eadb39f30912271117h6a78a2a9p2ef16cb03f575383@mail.gmail.com><025801ca874e$baa5fe40$2ff1fac0$@net><4C1737B6-F99A-40C8-B6AE-AC1A87FF247A@rev.net><002601ca87f4$c52c3860$4f84a920$@net><348B1FDAC5BE4924891BA5FF5EEA9EC5@601ek604PC><001201ca88a6$4dc1b6d0$e9452470$@net><11FCD8D64D0543E28FC81ED6F958E7A3@601ek604PC><006901ca8951$8fea3e50$afbebaf0$@net><eadb39f30912310614v50c5541fl630fdc08ff658b0d@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E7D6FB25D25542FA805223C46A0A4219@Jimmy>

"There appears to be a difference in the rivet pattern along the bottom horizontal rivet row. Looks like different trucks, too. #129 looks like it has the N&W style 6 wheel tender truck (T-27?) and #125 has a Commonwealth(?) style truck

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns764.jpeg   Loco #125

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns766.jpeg   Loco #129"



#129 with Commonwealth trucks.
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2982/129b.jpg

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:48:14 -0500
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
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The 129 appears to have the original trucks from A #1200 - Commonwealth trucks with roller bearings and regular journal box lids.    They are definitely Commonwealths and not T27s nor T40s; the maximum journal size for this truck was the T40's 6X11s, and the K-2 tenders required 12 6 1/2x12s.  Any comments, Jim N?

EdKing


From: NW Modeling List 
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:35 AM
To: NW Modeling List 
Subject: Re: Streamlined K2 tender?


There appears to be a difference in the rivet pattern along the bottom horizontal rivet row. Looks like different trucks, too. #129 looks like it has the N&W style 6 wheel tender truck (T-27?) and #125 has a Commonwealth(?) style truck

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns764.jpeg   Loco #125

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns766.jpeg   Loco #129




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To: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:14:35 AM
Subject: Re: Streamlined K2 tender?

Some K2's had rebuilt 22,000 gal. roll-top tenders (extra rivet-line and body seam where water space was squared off and raised) and some had new build 22,000 gal.  (no extra seam)  You would need to look at pictures to figure out which was correct for a certain loco number.

John Rhodes


On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:11 AM, NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

  Does anyone know the detail differences of the 2 tenders used on the N&W streamlined K2s?

  PSC is offering 2 tender version on their K2 model.

  Stephen Rineair




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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:07:07 -0600
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
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I can't get access to the images on my server, so can't comment on these
pix; but the photo of 123 in Prince's book has the commonwealth trucks with
regular journal box lids, so that is probably what Ed has identified on 129.
And, yes, they did have roller bearings behind that friction type box lid.
And yes, there is a difference in the rivet pattern on the bottom row. On
the rebuilt (F) tanks it is straight. On the new (E) tanks it hops up on the
front part and a little hop up over the rear truck, same as on the later
class I tanks.   Jim Nichols

 

From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org
[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:48 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Streamlined K2 tender?

 

The 129 appears to have the original trucks from A #1200 - Commonwealth
trucks with roller bearings and regular journal box lids.    They are
definitely Commonwealths and not T27s nor T40s; the maximum journal size for
this truck was the T40's 6X11s, and the K-2 tenders required 12 6 1/2x12s.
Any comments, Jim N?

 

EdKing

 

From: NW <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>  Modeling List 

Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:35 AM

To: NW <mailto:nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>  Modeling List 

Subject: Re: Streamlined K2 tender?

 

There appears to be a difference in the rivet pattern along the bottom
horizontal rivet row. Looks like different trucks, too. #129 looks like it
has the N&W style 6 wheel tender truck (T-27?) and #125 has a
Commonwealth(?) style truck

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns764.jpeg   Loco #125

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns766.jpeg   Loco #129

 

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Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 9:14:35 AM
Subject: Re: Streamlined K2 tender?

Some K2's had rebuilt 22,000 gal. roll-top tenders (extra rivet-line and
body seam where water space was squared off and raised) and some had new
build 22,000 gal.  (no extra seam)  You would need to look at pictures to
figure out which was correct for a certain loco number.

John Rhodes

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:11 AM, NW Modeling List
<nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Does anyone know the detail differences of the 2 tenders used on the N&W
streamlined K2s?

PSC is offering 2 tender version on their K2 model.

Stephen Rineair

 


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:11:57 -0500
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
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WOW! Thanks for the great info gentlemen!

Which did Key do?

I do not have one. Waiting for PSC. Is the Modeling committee working with
them?

Thanks,

Stephen

 

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Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:35 PM
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"There appears to be a difference in the rivet pattern along the bottom
horizontal rivet row. Looks like different trucks, too. #129 looks like it
has the N&W style 6 wheel tender truck (T-27?) and #125 has a
Commonwealth(?) style truck

 <http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns764.jpeg>
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns764.jpeg   Loco #125

 <http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns766.jpeg>
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns766.jpeg   Loco
#129"

 

 

#129 with Commonwealth trucks.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2982/129b.jpg

 

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:40:35 -0500
Subject: "Forbiden" VPI Database
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Lately I have been having trouble accessing the VPI database of N&W pictures. Each time I click on a link it says that I am "forbiden" acess. Any ideas on what is going on?
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:38:41 -0600
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
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Key did the class E (built new) tender.    Jim Nichols

 

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[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:12 PM
To: 'NW Modeling List'
Subject: RE: Streamlined K2 tender?

 

WOW! Thanks for the great info gentlemen!

Which did Key do?

I do not have one. Waiting for PSC. Is the Modeling committee working with
them?

Thanks,

Stephen

 

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[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:35 PM
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Streamlined K2 tender?

 

"There appears to be a difference in the rivet pattern along the bottom
horizontal rivet row. Looks like different trucks, too. #129 looks like it
has the N&W style 6 wheel tender truck (T-27?) and #125 has a
Commonwealth(?) style truck

 <http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns764.jpeg>
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns764.jpeg   Loco #125

 <http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns766.jpeg>
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns766.jpeg   Loco
#129"

 

 

#129 with Commonwealth trucks.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2982/129b.jpg

 

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:36:35 -0500
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:15:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: N&W pictures
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Lately I have been having trouble accessing the VPI database of N&W pictures. Each time I click on a link it says that I am "forbiden" acess. Any ideas on what is going on?

Jimmy Lisle



January 1, 2010

Hello, Jimmy:

My understanding is that the photos have been removed from VPI.  Norfolk Southern moved them to another archival collection, but I'm uncertain where.

Happy new year,

Frank Scheer
f_scheer at yahoo.com

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:58:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system
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Hi Steve; 



Several of today's sound systems can use custom sounds.? There is some hardware and software required for programming the decoder.? In your place; I would call Tony's? http://www.tonystrains.com/ ?and discuss what you want.? You will need to find recordings of Jawn Henry in order to create the sound files. 



Nigel 
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Subject: Jawn Henry sound system 

I've been curious about installing a sound system in my Jawn Henry. 
I realize that most modelers probably do not own one of these, so this is very low priority on most modelers radar. 
My best option would be to purchase a sound system that has the Jawn Henry loaded.? I don't thing this exists. 
My second option would be to purchase a sound system that can be modified to generate the sounds that the 2300 would have made. 
Does any company sell a sound system that can be modified to recreate a "Jawn Henry" sound? 
I've even thought about installing 2 sound systems to get the necessary sounds (it's big enough). 
? 
v/r 
Steve Watson 
VaBeach, VA 
? 

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:14:48 -0600 (CST)
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:23:30 -0500
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system
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Message-ID: <4B3E2F92.80904@carolina.rr.com>

I know this isn't terribly helpful, but what did the Jawn Henry sound 
like?  Any chance it might be similar to the UP turbines?  If so, are 
there sound decoders available for them now that Athearn is making them?

Ken

NW Modeling List wrote:
> I've been curious about installing a sound system in my Jawn Henry.
> I realize that most modelers probably do not own one of these, so this 
> is very low priority on most modelers radar.
> My best option would be to purchase a sound system that has the Jawn 
> Henry loaded.  I don't thing this exists.
> My second option would be to purchase a sound system that can be 
> modified to generate the sounds that the 2300 would have made.
> Does any company sell a sound system that can be modified to recreate a 
> "Jawn Henry" sound?
> I've even thought about installing 2 sound systems to get the necessary 
> sounds (it's big enough).
>  
> v/r
> Steve Watson
> VaBeach, VA

-- 
Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com
Salisbury, NC

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by 
stupidity." - Robert J. Hanlon

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:38:52 +0100
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system, real Turbine sound,
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Message-ID: <85vas1$lc13n@ipb2.telenor.se>


Hello

Here is a real sound from a Swedish Steamturbine locomotive
It is direct driven by gears as the PRy 6-8-6- turbine locomotive.

Can mention 3 of those still exists today at a Museum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsrzUjcHeAs

Hopes it is to some help..

Jan S
Sweden



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[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List
Sent: den 1 januari 2010 18:24
To: NW Modeling List
Subject: Re: Jawn Henry sound system

I know this isn't terribly helpful, but what did the Jawn Henry sound 
like?  Any chance it might be similar to the UP turbines?  If so, are 
there sound decoders available for them now that Athearn is making them?

Ken

NW Modeling List wrote:
> I've been curious about installing a sound system in my Jawn Henry.
> I realize that most modelers probably do not own one of these, so this 
> is very low priority on most modelers radar.
> My best option would be to purchase a sound system that has the Jawn 
> Henry loaded.  I don't thing this exists.
> My second option would be to purchase a sound system that can be 
> modified to generate the sounds that the 2300 would have made.
> Does any company sell a sound system that can be modified to recreate a 
> "Jawn Henry" sound?
> I've even thought about installing 2 sound systems to get the necessary 
> sounds (it's big enough).
>  
> v/r
> Steve Watson
> VaBeach, VA

-- 
Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com
Salisbury, NC

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by 
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:27:39 -0500
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system, real Turbine sound,
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References: <85vas1$lc13n@ipb2.telenor.se>
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For those not acquainted with the Swedish turbine locos; they are 0-8-0's, with the turbines mounted on the pilot deck, in front of the smokebox.? The drive is via crankshafts, similar to N&W's electrics.? Not big locos, but certainly the longest lived of all the RR turbine experiments.




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Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2010 5:38 am
Subject: RE: Jawn Henry sound system, real Turbine sound,




 
Hello 
 
Here is a real sound from a Swedish Steamturbine locomotive 
It is direct driven by gears as the PRy 6-8-6- turbine locomotive. 
 
Can mention 3 of those still exists today at a Museum. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsrzUjcHeAs 
 
Hopes it is to some help.. 
 
Jan S 
Sweden 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org 
[mailto:nw-modeling-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Modeling List 
Sent: den 1 januari 2010 18:24 
To: NW Modeling List 
Subject: Re: Jawn Henry sound system 
 
I know this isn't terribly helpful, but what did the Jawn Henry sound  
like?  Any chance it might be similar to the UP turbines?  If so, are  
there sound decoders available for them now that Athearn is making them? 
 
Ken 
 
NW Modeling List wrote: 
&gt; I've been curious about installing a sound system in my Jawn Henry. 
&gt; I realize that most modelers probably do not own one of these, so this  
&gt; is very low priority on most modelers radar. 
&gt; My best option would be to purchase a sound system that has the Jawn  
&gt; Henry loaded.  I don't thing this exists. 
&gt; My second option would be to purchase a sound system that can be  
&gt; modified to generate the sounds that the 2300 would have made. 
&gt; Does any company sell a sound system that can be modified to recreate a  
&gt; "Jawn Henry" sound? 
&gt; I've even thought about installing 2 sound systems to get the necessary  
&gt; sounds (it's big enough). 
&gt;   
&gt; v/r 
&gt; Steve Watson 
&gt; VaBeach, VA 
 
--  
Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com 
Salisbury, NC 
 
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stupidity." - Robert J. Hanlon 
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 09:33:27 -0500
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system, real Turbine sound,
References: <85vas1$lc13n@ipb2.telenor.se>
Message-ID: <B072FD0A6E924AA1909AE12F19E76CEC@Jimmy>

    I have a CD that has one roll-by recording of Jawn Henry pushing. JH's part only lasts for a few seconds, so I don't know how much it will help you.
    If you are interested in the recording, along with other N&W steam sounds, contact;

Jay Winn
P.O. Box 464 
New Hartford, NY 13413
Email:  mjandj at adelphia.net  No phone calls please.

Ask for "N&W Steam 1950's",  Catalog #183 from sound masters 406 & 407.

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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:13:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: N&W pictures
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Try the link through the N&WHS website.? No problem getting through there.

Charlie

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: N&W pictures
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 5:15 PM


Lately I have been having trouble accessing the VPI database of N&W pictures. Each time I click on a link it says that I am "forbiden" acess. Any ideas on what is going on?

Jimmy Lisle



January 1, 2010

Hello, Jimmy:

My understanding is that the photos have been removed from VPI.? Norfolk Southern moved them to another archival collection, but I'm uncertain where.

Happy new year,

Frank Scheer
f_scheer at yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:37:19 -0000
Subject: Fw: Jawn Henry sound system
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hi Steve

There are some Jawn Henry sounds on the DVD 'Pocohontas Glory vol.7'. Use the chapter menu to find them in chapter 11 - 'Blue Ridge area'.

Bob Gellatly

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To: NW Modeling List 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Jawn Henry sound system


Hi Steve;



Several of today's sound systems can use custom sounds.  There is some hardware and software required for programming the decoder.  In your place; I would call Tony's http://www.tonystrains.com/  and discuss what you want.  You will need to find recordings of Jawn Henry in order to create the sound files.



Nigel


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From: "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 6:36:35 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system

I've been curious about installing a sound system in my Jawn Henry.
I realize that most modelers probably do not own one of these, so this is very low priority on most modelers radar.
My best option would be to purchase a sound system that has the Jawn Henry loaded.  I don't thing this exists.
My second option would be to purchase a sound system that can be modified to generate the sounds that the 2300 would have made.
Does any company sell a sound system that can be modified to recreate a "Jawn Henry" sound?
I've even thought about installing 2 sound systems to get the necessary sounds (it's big enough).
 
v/r
Steve Watson
VaBeach, VA 
 

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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:50:01 -0500
Subject: N&W pictures
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I just went on library and clicked on imagebase, browse, railroad, and to the pictures.

Royal Stanley


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Try the link through the N&WHS website.  No problem getting through there.

Charlie

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From: NW Modeling List <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org>
Subject: N&W pictures
To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 5:15 PM


Lately I have been having trouble accessing the VPI database of N&W pictures. Each time I click on a link it says that I am "forbiden" acess. Any ideas on what is going on?

Jimmy Lisle



January 1, 2010

Hello, Jimmy:

My understanding is that the photos have been removed from VPI.  Norfolk Southern moved them to another archival collection, but I'm uncertain where.

Happy new year,

Frank Scheer
f_scheer at yahoo.com
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:13:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: N&W pictures
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I don't know if any of you all know, but at the NC Transportation Museum in Spencer, NC, is?a rebuilt N&W?2 bay peaked end hopper. thought I'd pass this along. tony putnam?

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Subject: Re: N&W pictures
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Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 4:13 PM






Try the link through the N&WHS website.? No problem getting through there.

Charlie

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Subject: N&W pictures
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Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 5:15 PM


Lately I have been having trouble accessing the VPI database of N&W pictures. Each time I click on a link it says that I am "forbiden" acess. Any ideas on what is going on?

Jimmy Lisle



January 1, 2010

Hello, Jimmy:

My understanding is that the photos have been removed from VPI.? Norfolk Southern moved them to another archival collection, but I'm uncertain where.

Happy new year,

Frank Scheer
f_scheer at yahoo.com
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From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:34:20 +0000
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system
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Ken,

 

I am a proud owner of an Alco models Jawn Henry. It has been extensively reworked with new motors gears and shafts.  Due to the wieght and brawn of this model we used two TSU heavy steam decoders, one for each motor as not to overload the decoder.

 

As Jawn was had more of a whoosh sound vs a jet airplane sound ( this is a personal observation) we kicked up the lighting dynamo sound CV all the way up and then blended this with the steam pressure relief sound to get as close as we could!! though not perfect we do get the feel across of a working turbine. We use the SP single blat horn even though Jawn had a nice rack of horns. this is the best we can do so far.

 

As per chance a new operator stopped by for a session and noted Jawn Henry pulling a nice coal train and asked me if I wanted the orignal ink drawing that he did for the ALco models,,,well a lot of money left at the framer they now grace my den walls.

 

In the future I hope to assist with an article on Jawn as I have more data and photos of Jawn being built at Baldwin.

 

Yes the wife let me hand ALL of the drawing of Jawn along with many photos of the famous race horse John Henry. The wife's red convertible plates are Jawn H 1 suitible for a pony car.

 

 

Mike and Eddie Ritschdorff
 
> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 12:23:30 -0500
> To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> Subject: Re: Jawn Henry sound system
> From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
> 
> I know this isn't terribly helpful, but what did the Jawn Henry sound 
> like? Any chance it might be similar to the UP turbines? If so, are 
> there sound decoders available for them now that Athearn is making them?
> 
> Ken
> 
> NW Modeling List wrote:
> > I've been curious about installing a sound system in my Jawn Henry.
> > I realize that most modelers probably do not own one of these, so this 
> > is very low priority on most modelers radar.
> > My best option would be to purchase a sound system that has the Jawn 
> > Henry loaded. I don't thing this exists.
> > My second option would be to purchase a sound system that can be 
> > modified to generate the sounds that the 2300 would have made.
> > Does any company sell a sound system that can be modified to recreate a 
> > "Jawn Henry" sound?
> > I've even thought about installing 2 sound systems to get the necessary 
> > sounds (it's big enough).
> > 
> > v/r
> > Steve Watson
> > VaBeach, VA
> 
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sun Jan  3 16:35:26 2010
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 16:35:26 -0500
Subject: Jawn Henry sound system
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Bob,
Thanks a bunch.  I just purchased this DVD from our fine commissary and can't wait to hear the detials.  I listened to the clip on Utube which sounds marvelous.

v/r
Steve Watson
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  hi Steve

  There are some Jawn Henry sounds on the DVD 'Pocohontas Glory vol.7'. Use the chapter menu to find them in chapter 11 - 'Blue Ridge area'.

  Bob Gellatly

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  Hi Steve;



  Several of today's sound systems can use custom sounds.  There is some hardware and software required for programming the decoder.  In your place; I would call Tony's http://www.tonystrains.com/  and discuss what you want.  You will need to find recordings of Jawn Henry in order to create the sound files.



  Nigel


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  Subject: Jawn Henry sound system

  I've been curious about installing a sound system in my Jawn Henry.
  I realize that most modelers probably do not own one of these, so this is very low priority on most modelers radar.
  My best option would be to purchase a sound system that has the Jawn Henry loaded.  I don't thing this exists.
  My second option would be to purchase a sound system that can be modified to generate the sounds that the 2300 would have made.
  Does any company sell a sound system that can be modified to recreate a "Jawn Henry" sound?
  I've even thought about installing 2 sound systems to get the necessary sounds (it's big enough).
   
  v/r
  Steve Watson
  VaBeach, VA 
   

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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:06:48 -0500
Subject: N&W pictures
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Jimmy,

Va Tech has made changes and moved the "imagebase" around over the 
years. Not all of the web links were updated when they made these 
changes. This may cause some of the problems you are having.

Try this link and see if you have better luck. 
http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/browse.php

Then scroll down to "Railroad"

Ron Davis

At 12:15 PM 1/1/2010, you wrote:
>Lately I have been having trouble accessing the VPI database of N&W 
>pictures. Each time I click on a link it says that I am "forbiden" 
>acess. Any ideas on what is going on?
>
>Jimmy Lisle
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From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org  Sat Jan  2 18:38:14 2010
From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 18:38:14 -0500
Subject: Streamlined K2 tender?
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To add to this discussion on K2 tender trucks here is an image from the VA Tech  collection of 122 when she looked to be brand new at Roanoke Shops.

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns870.jpeg

The previously posted photo of 129 is dated 02-04-46 so I would say the engine was newly streamlined in that photo.

Here are photos from my collection, 129 at Hagerstown 02-20-54, and 130, 131 same location, different date. Does it look like the bearing boxes have been changed or the trucks replaced by this time?  I have also noticed that the spoked lead truck wheels on all the K2's were replaced at some date.  Can Ed King or Col Jeffries shed some light on the changes?

--Rick Morrison

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