From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 15 21:02:54 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:02:54 -0500 Subject: Exact Dates of Emblems Message-ID: <20091216020257.UZLX18765.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Hey Everyone! Your help is greatly needed! I am modeling the N&W Pocahontas division in HO for my model railroad. I want to model the transition era (such a great time to model with the peak of N&W Steam technology) but I need to know a basic fact that I am having trouble finding. I am pretty sure the N&W Switched to the Blue and Yellow paint scheme after the merger in 1965. However, I was wondering was it at this time that they switched from the script style circle emblem seen on the N&W HS emblem to the more simplified circle with the half circle areas filled in? I need to know so I can have the correct paint schemed early diesels doing the dirty work next to the steam engines. Thank you so much if you can help me out!!! Logan Greene From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 15 21:20:19 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:20:19 -0500 Subject: Exact Dates of Emblems In-Reply-To: <20091216020257.UZLX18765.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20091216020257.UZLX18765.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <463F54D7-CA69-445B-B0C3-FFD8FAF2C464@rev.net> Logan: The "half moon" herald, which is what I heard employees refer to it as, not the "hamburger" herald, was strictly a diesel era piece first coming into use circa 1964-65. It was seen in its early incarnations with tuscan red passenger units, but it was not a long lived usage. The Pevler blue came in 1965. The script herald was in use in the late steam era, 1957-1960. Steam with the half moon, no, not in real life, but it is your railroad. Do what you like. Ken Miller On Dec 15, 2009, at 9:02 PM, NW Modeling List wrote: > Hey Everyone! > > Your help is greatly needed! I am modeling the N&W Pocahontas > division in HO for my model railroad. I want to model the transition > era (such a great time to model with the peak of N&W Steam > technology) but I need to know a basic fact that I am having trouble > finding. I am pretty sure the N&W Switched to the Blue and Yellow > paint scheme after the merger in 1965. However, I was wondering was > it at this time that they switched from the script style circle > emblem seen on the N&W HS emblem to the more simplified circle with > the half circle areas filled in? I need to know so I can have the > correct paint schemed early diesels doing the dirty work next to the > steam engines. Thank you so much if you can help me out!!! > > Logan Greene > > ________________________________________ > NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list > Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 16 09:54:07 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:54:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Exact Dates of Emblems In-Reply-To: <20091216020257.UZLX18765.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20091216020257.UZLX18765.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <717364.98095.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Just a suggestion... there are a few very thorough, and very enjoyable books you can get from the Society's Commissary that would greatly benefit you, if you do not already have them. The newest release of the Warden book on the Y-Class mallet's has a lot of pictures from the Pocahontas Division and is a reasonably priced. They range from $20-$70+. For a modeler, I'd suggest the first four books. I'd suggest the last 3 for a real feel for the people who build and operated the railroad. N&W Y Class Articulated Steam Locomotives N&W In Color Volume 1 Norfolk and Western: Diesel's Last Conquest Norfolk & Western, Steam's Last Stand N&W Steam in Color Memories of N&W Powerby Paul Carleton The "A" (Revised Edition) he Norfolk & Western - A History Please don't take this as a sales solicitation for the Society. Look on ebay and the net or go to the commissary and support the group. I just want to share that these books have proven invaluable over the years to someone who was not around during steam, and has to rely on the info that is in print and on the net. Good luck, and show us some pics of your layout as you progress. Mike Rector ________________________________ From: NW Modeling List To: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 9:02:54 PM Subject: Exact Dates of Emblems Hey Everyone! Your help is greatly needed! I am modeling the N&W Pocahontas division in HO for my model railroad. I want to model the transition era (such a great time to model with the peak of N&W Steam technology) but I need to know a basic fact that I am having trouble finding. I am pretty sure the N&W Switched to the Blue and Yellow paint scheme after the merger in 1965. However, I was wondering was it at this time that they switched from the script style circle emblem seen on the N&W HS emblem to the more simplified circle with the half circle areas filled in? I need to know so I can have the correct paint schemed early diesels doing the dirty work next to the steam engines. Thank you so much if you can help me out!!! Logan Greene ________________________________________ NW-Modeling-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-modeling-list Browse the NW-Modeling-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-modeling-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 16 17:03:06 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:03:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Exact Dates of Emblems In-Reply-To: <20091216020257.UZLX18765.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <719975.85393.qm@web38703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Originally N&W painted it's diesels using the steam locomotive tender stencils (two different sizes IIRC) Example: http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1372.jpeg The N&W adopted the script herald (round) on its diesels around 1958. Example: http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1373.jpeg This scheme lasted until late 1963 when the "half moon" aka "hamburger" herald was adopted - still with black paint. Example: http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1343.jpeg Sometime after the October 1964 merger, blue replaced black (the SD35s delivered in 1965 came in black) I hope this puts it in perspective! Mark Peele Catonsville, MD From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 16 19:19:43 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:19:43 -0500 Subject: Exact Dates of Emblems Message-ID: <410-22009124170194310@earthlink.net> N&W adopted the "hamburger" or "half moon" (take your pick of the railfan nickname) in 1963. Locomotives were repainted in black with the new logo until the change to blue. See Bob Withers books for a good, thorough discussion of N&W color schemes and dates. Dan. Dan and Nina Mulhearn; Pipestem WV dannina1 at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. From nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 18 08:41:01 2009 From: nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org (NW Modeling List) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:41:01 -0500 Subject: Ideas for mixing N&W tuscan red Message-ID: <4B2B866D.3070204@vt.edu> Back a number of years ago there was an article in Railroad Model Craftsman about modernizing a Rivarossi coach and the author mentioned that he used two parts caboose red with one part tuscan red to make the tuscan red used on the model. I don't recall off hand what the type of paint was, but it was reported (for the time) as being a common mix used to create the proper shade by some N&W modelers. Can anyone help me with this? -- jerry