1. Re: N&W Pass Red. (NW Modeling List)

NW Modeling List nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org
Wed Jan 24 11:36:10 EST 2007

My take on the color is... if it looks good to my eyes, its fine. All my N&W
heavyweight passenger cars are some close variation of tuscan red. I have a
set of the smoothside Powhatan Arrow cars and the colors are NOT the same.
They are not even close, really. So the bottom line for me is, do I get a
good approximation of what they looked like? I think so, and I don't know
how you can say otherwise with any certainty given I model 1948 and I am not
sure there are any unfaded photos OR memories of what the right colors would
be from then.

Just my two cents' worth.

Bob Welsh
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Subject: 1. Re: N&W Pass Red. (NW Modeling List)

> Unless you have the original paint chips, it would be hard to prove.

Paint is effected by sunlight, age, environmental conditions. A good
example today would be the Santa Fe Warbonnet Red. You look at any
locomotives in that scheme and you would swear they were pink. Also look at
the fade jobs of BNSF orange.


> There has been some discussion of Pennsy or N&W paint fading differently.

That may be the case, but I don't think anyone would find fault if you
started off with Tuscan. Pennsy could have used paint from another
supplier, or possible that the paint companies changed their formula's over
the year. You don't have to be exact you just have to be close enough.


> Also going by old pictures won't help. Unless you shot with K-chrome 25

or 64, and kept them properly stored, I would not trust pictures either.
Various things can effect the image, like the placement of the sun, or if it
was cloudy and what type of camera or filters were used. A polarizer filter
makes the skies appear deep blue.


> One arguement up here in the northeast is with the Boston and Maine F

units. There was a time when the rear end of an F unit was painted white.
However, modelers insist it was silver or gray pointing to various
photographs. A good friend of mine owns Accu-Paint and is a big Boston and
Maine Fan. Back when these paint scheme was in use he went to the B&M paint
shops and was shown the paint and was allowed to take samples. The paint
was white, but people argue that it was never white. Sort of like the
discussion we are having here.


> So what is the moral. I guess you can't rivet count with paint. You can

get it very close but unless you have the actual paint formula the railroad
used, you will never get it perfect. So we strive to get close and avoid
getting it glaringly wrong.


> Now I have a question for some of you out there. What was the color of

the N&W lightweight coaches roofs? Rivorassi shows almost a tan color,
Branchline shows them as being almost black. I cannot tell from black and
white photo's but I have heard that it was a deep chocolate brown. Any
takers. I guess if I get it close there is no problem.


> A.J. Gemperline





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> > A clip of a passing Pocahantas on the Vintage Rails Volume 6 VHS proves


> > the N&W red was lighter and indeed ?rosier? than PRR Tuscan Red.


> > even the N&W made major changes in their own color as I could prove with


> > pictures I took in 1957 of the Pocahantas leaving Petersburg and in 1958

> > leaving Portsmouth. In the Petersburg photo, the sleepers are


> > than the rest of the train. In the Portsmouth pix, the diner is way


> > than the coaches. In that same train the combine probably had not


> > a new paint job since it was modernized in 1949 and was so washed out


> > indeed it was a very ?rosy? color, almost pink due to the way the


> > was hitting it. Which brings up another problem in looking at old pix ?


> > color in bright sun is drastically different from other settings. Take


> > of your models out of the house into the bright sunlight and you can

> > understand the problem. I recently acquired the Key Imports version of


> > Powhatan Arrow. I feel that their paint job is a little dark, but


> > any better comparison, I think I will use it as a guideline to mixing up

> > paint for other cars. It is a nice rich color, just a little lighter


> > redder than PRR Tuscan Red.

> >

> > I will be glad to e-mail those Portsmouth pix to anyone who wants them.


> > would also be glad to take a picture of a Key car along with an IHC car


> > a Branchline Trains car, and possibly a PRR car I could borrow from a


> > just for the sake of comparison. Just contact me at

> > rjfolsom at bellsouth.net.

> >

> > Bob Folsom

> > N&W Clemson Division

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 1/8/07 8:19 AM, "NW Modeling List" <nw-modeling-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> >

> > > Seem to remember the modeling list having this discussion before.

Others may

> > > want to identify which manufacturers 'got it right' and which did not.

I grew

> > > up in PRR territory (the New York and Long Branch)

> > > and believe N&W red very similar, if not identical to PRR tuscan red.


> > > HO suppliers, there has been a wide range of 'N&W red'

interpretations. One

> > > in particular was rose colored in my view - the only reason for

calling it

> > > 'red' is that it wasn't green or purple. But we each have our own


> > > or memory.

> > >

> > > Jerome Crosson

> > >

> > >

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