"old" tuscan red

Wed Apr 3 16:43:38 EDT 2024

Mike,
Nice job with the "sides" matching and great explanation of appearances and
lighting effects.
Jim C.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 3:39 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:

> Just remember that the color you get made, when sprayed on a model, will
> very likely not match what your eyes expect to see.  Your display/layout
> room lights probably don't match sunlight lighting very well.  Paint fades.
> It's very common to hear it stated that passenger cars are generally all
> different shades of red/maroon. Red oxidizes quickly, and it displays in
> light and shadow very differently. This car is a great example. It doesn't
> matter if it is the "right" or "wrong" color of maroon. It's useful to see
> the difference between the color under the awning on the back of the car
> compared to the color on the side of the car. I averaged a large section of
> the car side, and the car back, to get the color sample at bottom.
>
> My personal model preference leans more toward the lighter color on the
> right side. If you get the exact paint formula, I bet you end up with
> something closer to the left. Both are "accurate"... under different
> lighting conditions.
>
> Mike Rector
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 10:52 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Andre
>>
>>
>>
>> Simply go to your Automotive  DuPont paint dealer and have a pint or
>> quart mixed .  Other dealers can cross reference a lot of the codes that
>> being said
>>
>> The days of paint codes are fastly disappearing with all the paint types
>> and systems and company’s changing hands . I did this 10 years ago and had
>> a QT mixed
>>
>> And have never used it.  I have somewhere but can’t  find it this morning
>> . DuPont formal for mixing it . Which most dealers will give you a copy of
>> .  DuPont has a color library
>>
>> or  use to for registered  users .
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry Evans
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>> *Subject:* Re: "old" tuscan red
>>
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>>
>> Hi Larry et al,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing the drift card match for the oft-discussed N&W Red
>> paint.
>>
>> How can one search for this paint match’s availability? My Googling using
>> the info on the DuPont card yielded no results?
>>
>> Please advise. Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Andre Jackson
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>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2024, 8:01 AM, NW Mailing List <
>> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Here's my color match to a Tuscan drift card if this helps anyone
>>
>>
>> Larry Evans
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> <nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org>] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 8:58 AM
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>> Subject: Re: "old" tuscan red
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> That page needs some updating, I started writing something up last year,
>> but never finished it. I have no idea where Jim got his dates, but I also
>> doubt that he studied this stuff as much as I have, he had way more to do
>> than that. There has also been some other materials surface since that page
>> was written.
>>
>> Paint and lettering, as Larry Evans pointed out recently is one of my
>> hot-buttons!
>>
>> “Old Red” is N&W Tuscan No. 4, the last paint drift card we have is dated
>> 1950. We do not have a drift card for the tuscan metallic, for additional
>> information, we also do not have a drift card for No. 23 Blue, which is the
>> Pevler Blue.
>>
>> However, thanks to Charlie Schlotthober, who saved what had survived of
>> the paint record card for passenger cars, of which I showed one in an Arrow
>> article two years ago in issue 38-1.
>>
>> The record is far from complete on the paint usage, but the cards we do
>> have, which are crumbling to dust, as they are probably at least 100 years
>> old. The records are only as complete as people recorded the information,
>> so there are loads of holes of data.
>>
>> Here is some of the notes I made:
>>
>> Car 1720, in shop 01/12/57, out of shop 02/1/57, Repair 2A (which is a
>> complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1721, no record exists Car 1722, in
>> shop 11/12/56, out of shop 12/17/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint
>> job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1723, in shop 01/9/57, out of shop 02/19/57,
>> Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan
>>
>> Car 1729, in shop 01/30/56, out of shop 02/15/56, Repair 2A (which is a
>> complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1734, in shop 01/30/56, out of shop
>> 02/09/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan
>>
>> 1729 and 1734 was the earliest date for Metallic Tuscan in January 1956.
>>
>> Now, the color can drastically appear different with the addition of
>> metal flake, it might be the same color, but have a far different
>> appearance to the eye. The Tuscan Red used on the passenger GP9s appears to
>> be a much different color to me, with a bronze look, which might come from
>> using a bronze metal flake rather than a silver metal flake.
>>
>> Metal flake paint technology, and paint in general from the era was still
>> in its infancy, and required more and better care than automotive paint of
>> today.
>>
>> Best
>> Ken Miller
>>
>> > On Feb 27, 2024, at 1:08 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > From our modelers corner, Jim Gillum:
>> > "Old Red" was used until around 1958. This had a much higher red
>> content than the present red AND included a metallic particle suspended in
>> the paint.
>> > In Googling metal flake paint history, it appears that this type of
>> paint didn't become common on automobiles until the 1960's. My question is,
>> if "old tuscan red" did contain metal flake and was used prior to 1958 as
>> Jim G. states, how long prior to 1958 was it used, and what was used prior
>> to that (old, old Tuscan red)?
>> >
>> > Any and all thoughts/information appreciated,
>> >
>> > Jim Cochran
>> >
>> >
>> >
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