"old" tuscan red

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Larry,
That looks like a damn-good match to me.
Thanks for sharing,
Jim Cochran

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 8:01 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> Here's my color match to a Tuscan drift card if this helps anyone
>
>
> Larry Evans
>
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> Jim
>
> That page needs some updating, I started writing something up last year,
> but never finished it. I have no idea where Jim got his dates, but I also
> doubt that he studied this stuff as much as I have, he had way more to do
> than that. There has also been some other materials surface since that page
> was written.
>
> Paint and lettering, as Larry Evans pointed out recently is one of my
> hot-buttons!
>
> “Old Red” is N&W Tuscan No. 4, the last paint drift card we have is dated
> 1950. We do not have a drift card for the tuscan metallic, for additional
> information, we also do not have a drift card for No. 23 Blue, which is the
> Pevler Blue.
>
> However, thanks to Charlie Schlotthober, who saved what had survived of
> the paint record card for passenger cars, of which I showed one in an Arrow
> article two years ago in issue 38-1.
>
> The record is far from complete on the paint usage, but the cards we do
> have, which are crumbling to dust, as they are probably at least 100 years
> old. The records are only as complete as people recorded the information,
> so there are loads of holes of data.
>
> Here is some of the notes I made:
>
> Car 1720, in shop 01/12/57, out of shop 02/1/57, Repair 2A (which is a
> complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1721, no record exists Car 1722, in
> shop 11/12/56, out of shop 12/17/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint
> job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1723, in shop 01/9/57, out of shop 02/19/57,
> Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan
>
> Car 1729, in shop 01/30/56, out of shop 02/15/56, Repair 2A (which is a
> complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan Car 1734, in shop 01/30/56, out of shop
> 02/09/56, Repair 2A (which is a complete paint job) Metallic Tuscan
>
> 1729 and 1734 was the earliest date for Metallic Tuscan in January 1956.
>
> Now, the color can drastically appear different with the addition of metal
> flake, it might be the same color, but have a far different appearance to
> the eye. The Tuscan Red used on the passenger GP9s appears to be a much
> different color to me, with a bronze look, which might come from using a
> bronze metal flake rather than a silver metal flake.
>
> Metal flake paint technology, and paint in general from the era was still
> in its infancy, and required more and better care than automotive paint of
> today.
>
> Best
> Ken Miller
>
> > On Feb 27, 2024, at 1:08 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > From our modelers corner, Jim Gillum:
> > "Old Red" was used until around 1958. This had a much higher red content
> than the present red AND included a metallic particle suspended in the
> paint.
> > In Googling metal flake paint history, it appears that this type of
> paint didn't become common on automobiles until the 1960's. My question is,
> if "old tuscan red" did contain metal flake and was used prior to 1958 as
> Jim G. states, how long prior to 1958 was it used, and what was used prior
> to that (old, old Tuscan red)?
> >
> > Any and all thoughts/information appreciated,
> >
> > Jim Cochran
> >
> >
> >
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