Y6b 2177

Mon Dec 4 21:32:35 EST 2023

I'll check in the Warden book for reference too. thanks

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:29 PM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <
nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> Mike,
> I’ve been working on a model of 2177 for several years.  I first noticed
> the unusual smokebox it had in William Warden’s 2-8-8-2 book years ago.
> The engine is also seen in action in several videos.  I was able to ask a
> lot of questions about this engine at the 2007 convention in Bluefield.
> Bud Jefferies and Jim Nichols were able to tell me quite a bit (Thanks to
> both).
>
> I used the red box Rivarossi model as a starting point for my model.  The
> “offset” it has at the smokebox seam makes it easier to render the
> unsheathed smokebox.  I’ll attach a couple pics.  It’s not quite finished
> but it’s getting close.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Dalton
> Bluefield, WV[image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 3, 2023, at 6:23 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Jim, your knowledge about the smallest details never ceases to amaze!
> There are several images of 2177 at both Auville and Boaz, so I will
> absolutely be converting one of my PCM's to this unique loco.Sadly, I'll
> need to "unsheath" the smokebox. :-( I'll very likely just cut it at the
> boiler and 3d model the smokebox and re-use the detail parts. One plus is
> that it doesn't have any special air line cooling to rearrange, like many
> others did.
> Mike Rector
>
> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=68000
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> On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 7:02 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> wrote:
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>> Y6b in the Gordon photo is the 2177. It was the only Y6b with this
>> diagonal shape cutout on the smokebox front for the hot water pump, oweing
>> to the fact that it was the first to have the pump relocated from under the
>> right side. All subsequent new builds and retrofits had a right angle
>> cutout. And 2177 never got sheathing on the smokebox, but it did eventually
>> get a round door.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>>
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 05:23:06 PM CST, NW Mailing List <
>> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Great choice of shots to dovetail with Chris Dalton's query. At first
>> glance, the Bill Gordon shot appears to be an eastbound pulling out of the
>> Middle Track onto the WB Main, given another eastbound is holding that
>> main. The Class Y6b and an auxiliary tender would suggest a Weller
>> (Bluefield) or River (Williamson) crew and pusher who have stopped to cut
>> tonnage and service their engines. They would ease up to the crossover at
>> Hemphill such that the rear clears this signal and their pusher can get
>> back on for the trip up to Bluefield – typical for Farm.
>>
>> However, a closer look would suggest this is the local mine run, by this
>> time, First AB4 out of Auville. The engineman is looking to the rear as if
>> backing loads into WB Storage. As I recall, Gordon's time frame in this
>> area was late steam when Y6b's and auxiliary tenders were relegated to mine
>> runs.
>>
>> This also illustrates why loads are blocked at the tipple to minimize
>> time on the main to set them off.
>>
>> In the Archive image, the smaller, square coal chute is on the WB Main
>> and appears to be a vintage Link-Belt chute that was possibly an old spare
>> or salvage. Similar to the chute over the EB Main, the larger, round chute
>> over the Middle Track is visible in the Gordon shot as a shadow under the
>> coal bin, directly over the Middle Track only.
>>
>> Pushers might take servicing on the WB Main while running around Farm, if
>> Tug operator had time on the main. The WB main was normally left clear to
>> run traffic around in both directions using the crossovers at Hemphill and
>> Mohegan; however, extreme conditions might have an eastbound taking service
>> on the WB Main. Elkhorn (Bluefield) crews did not take coal and water at
>> Farm.
>>
>> Edits and questions are welcome.
>>
>> Grant Carpenter
>>
>> On 9/3/2023 8:56 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>>
>> In this William Gordon picture, it seems that the 4 tracks immediately
>> consolidate back to a double track mainline.
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>> In this Archive image, it appears that there may only be chutes on the
>> westbound track. Does that make sense considering the direction flow of the
>> coal trains bound for the Great Lakes? The westbound tracks have a large
>> funnel type dispenser.  The outer eastbound track has a possible smaller
>> square chute, and the inner eastbound does not have a visible chute
>> (although it may just be fully raised).
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>> Mike Rector
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 8:46 PM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <
>> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings to All,
>>
>> During my lifetime and dispatching career on the Pokey the track layout
>> at Farm (listed north to south) has always been Main 2 (wb main), Middle
>> Track, #2 Storage, #1 Storage and Main 1 (eb main).  The current track
>> configuration has only the Middle Track running directly under the coaling
>> tower.  I’ve noticed in pictures from August Thieme, William Gordon and a
>> drawing from Louis Newton that in the 1950’s two tracks ran directly under
>> the coaling tower.  Can any of you guys elaborate on the 1950’s track
>> configuration and how it was used?
>>
>> Thank Ya’n Out,
>> Chris Dalton
>> Bluefield, WV
>>
>>
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