Builder Plate Conundrum - photo

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 No need for a dynamo between headlight and stack because the drawing shows an oil headlight. But by the time the 256 was done the headlight was electric (and smaller) so it was moved forward to leave room for a dynamo. Checking Dad's notes, he shows the builders  plate on 256 as follows: "DEC. 1890  No 47."  It is the only G he saw with the number out of correct series, but he didn't make and comment about it. He did manage to see a few F's, including the 169, but he did not record any information about its plate. He shows 165 as "NOV. 1887  No 4" and 174 as "MAY 1888  No. 52."
Jim Nichols
    On Sunday, February 27, 2022, 07:38:37 PM CST, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  
 
 Ok guys. This was sent by accident before I got the F photo down 
loaded.  Tried to get a left side as close to dead on as possible. F 
attached.

There is another general arrangement drawing in the archives with more 
dimensions on the G.  Unable to find any general arrangement drawing for 
the F to see if the smoke box is longer or just by my eye. Looks like 
the F would have to be over 6 foot to be a longer smoke box.

Perhaps that 47 boiler number is just an error.  If they had put 118 
boiler number on a 1896 Roanoke Shop plate there would be no question on 
parts off another class.  That G2 was just a test to see if the concept 
had merit.  Like the Z2 was a test for a simple articulated and we got 
the A.  The G2 tank resulted in the W5 and W6 that lasted almost to the 
end of steam.

As Jim Nichols said construction numbers are boiler numbers. Top of 
crown markers were mostly boiler numbers with boiler pressure. Jim N.'s 
dad checked the builder plates and and got info on any locomotive coming 
through Bluefield that he had not seen before. Wonder what he would have 
thought after seeing the G2 plate.

Jim Blackstock

On 2/27/2022 4:41 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Jim, I had thought of that idea too. It's a good one.
>
> i.e. when the G 2-8-0 #256 was converted to G2 #256 0-8-0T in 1920 - 
> that they created a new ROA Shops plate reflecting the reuse of boiler 
> No.47 (or just smokebox) off F #169 2-8-0 with the original frame and 
> running gear off G #256. However, I had always assumed that a builder 
> plate reflected BOTH the boiler's no. and boiler's built date. Maybe 
> this plate is different/unique.
>
> Here's the arrangement drawing for the standard Class G 0-8-0T 
> switcher. This is NOT a G2. Note: No room for a dynamo between the 
> headlight and stack.
>
> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=33110
>
>
>
> Mike, Sorry about that. Here's the link to 'after' (i.e. the only loco 
> in the G2 Class)
>
> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=72444
>
> For 'before' just search Class F or G photos in database.
>
> John Garner
>
>
>
>
> Perhaps I missed it, but can someone attach pictures of the before and
> after locomotives in question so this  discussion will be easier to 
> follow?
>
> Mike Rector
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 8:17 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at 
> nwhs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe it is just me, but I don't see any difference in the length of the
>> smokebox. The headlight just gets moved forward. However consider 
>> this: N&W
>> seemed to relate shop numbers to boilers rather than running gear. So we
>> could be seeing a reboiler, and the "new" Roanoke Shops plate gives the
>> number for the boiler and the date for the running gear. Makes as much
>> sense as any other idea that has been proposed.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
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