End of N&W passenger service

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That really does not help with the specific issue of what happened on 5/1/1971 with the equipment that had arrived Bristol on 4/30/71 as #17 other than to show that by July 1971, SOU 17/18 had become SOU 7/8 on a different schedule than 17/18 had. The 5/1/71 initial Amtrak schedule assumed SOU would join and only had a single NYC-NOL train, not the others that SOU had to run due to not joining.

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Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com





> On May 9, 2021, at 8:41 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> Retired Lynchburg, Va. Amtrak Station agent Garland Harper offered this link below to answer questions about the end of N&W passenger service. 
> Thanks Garland! 
> Norris
> 
> Norris Deyerle 
> Blue Ridge Chapter, National Railway Historical Society Chairman of Virginia's Rail Heritage Region Partners 
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> From: grharper at aol.com <grharper at aol.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 8:11 PM
> To: railcow at msn.com <railcow at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: End of N&W passenger service
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> The Museum of Railway Timetables (timetables.org)
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> does this help?  July 1971 t.t.   In the May 1, 1971, amtrak t.t. it appears to assume that Southern is a part of amtrak
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NORRIS DEYERLE <railcow at msn.com>
> To: Lee Hawkins <railhawk46 at aol.com>; Garland Harper <grharper at aol.com>; Tom Gilbert <tgilbert77 at hotmail.com>; Roy Evans <cp4cn at msn.com>; Rick Johnson <notch8 at aol.com>; Ed Burnett <ctwrwy at comcast.net>; Ed Fielding <refielding at verizon.net>; Charlie Long <cwlongjr at gmail.com>; Bank (CB&T) <flytrains at yahoo.com>; Gale C. McKinley <mckingc at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sun, May 9, 2021 7:39 pm
> Subject: Fwd: End of N&W passenger service
> 
> Greetings folks, 
> Most of you know a lot more about Lynchburg passenger service than I do. Here’s so food for your thoughts. I would love to share your thoughts with the NWHS members. 
> Thanks, 
> Norris 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Date: May 9, 2021 at 9:10:09 AM EDT
>> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> Subject: End of N&W passenger service
>> Reply-To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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>> (After a couple of years of enjoying this mailing list despite not being a member of the HS, I realized I needed to help support the HS and joined. By doing so, I received the latest Arrow as part of my new member package so realize I have probably received it sooner than many of you).
>> 
>> In the article about the end of N&W passenger service, the question of what was the last passenger train out of Roanoke is mentioned. I’ve seen this question brought up before. There is the well documented trip of #4 (the Pocahontas) that left Cincinnati a little before midnight on 4/30/71 and passed through Roanoke on 5/1/71. But the there is mention that some people also claim there was a #18 (Bristol-Lynchburg and then on to Washington via the Southern) on 5/1. But as such a train would have originated in Bristol on 5/1, it should not have run.
>> 
>> What I suspect might have happened was the equipment the arrived in Bristol as #17 on 4/30 deadheaded to Lynchburg on 5/1 on #18’s schedule, possibly running as #18 but without passengers. Why? Almost certainly Southern needed the equipment in Lynchburg for their #18. As Southern did not join Amtrak, they still had to run their portion of #17 and #17 between Washington and Lynchburg. But on the morning of 5/1, there was no equipment in Lynchburg because #17 of 4/30 had run to Bristol. Starting 5/2 the equipment that arrived Lynchburg as the previous day’s #17 would be #18’s equipment but not on 5/1. And assuming Southern’s #17 and #18 still ran on the same schedule, Southern would still need two sets of equipments as the trains passed between Washington and Lynchburg. While I don’t have a 5/1/71 schedule, a 10/70 schedule I have has #17 departing Washington at 2:15pm and arriving Lynchburg at 6:10pm while #18 departed Lynchburg at 1:30pm and arrived Washington at 5:40pm. A 5/72 schedule had it running as #7 and #8 on a somewhat different schedule: 11:45am to 4:05pm southbound and 9:40am to 2:30pm northbound so still needing two sets of equipment. Regardless of what the actual 5/1/71 schedule was out of Lynchburg for Southern, they probably needed to get equipment there and Bristol, with equipment having arrived there that would never depart as a scheduled passenger train, was a good place for it to come from.
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>> Larry Stone
>> lstone19 at stonejongleux.com
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