NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 196, Issue 10

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I came across a video on u tube of a steam era engineer running the lead engine of a doubleheader out of Roanoke coming past what is now the VMT transportation museum and going past the general offices in that direction it was a Y I think , the lead engine on a doubleheader!! Before I could look at it thoroughly, Computer stole it away and into something else that had trains on it from the north west with which I wasn’t interested in the least !!!!!!  Try  as I might, I never could bring it up again! Has anybody ever seen that YouTube video? I sure would like to see it again thoroughly from start to finish!!! Thanks for the research and advance! I am computer illiterate !Ken Tanner 

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>   1. Re: Steam Doubleheaders (NW Mailing List)
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>   3. Steam doubleheaders and pushers to Belews Creek (NW Mailing List)
>   4. Re: Steam Doubleheaders (NW Mailing List)
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> I worked as a laborer in the N&W Durham shop the summers of 1954-56 and 
> I heard much mention of a "Winfall pusher.? This pusher assisted freight 
> trains out of Lynchburg's Island Yard, up the stiff 2.6 percent grade to 
> 12th Street and on another 16 miles to Winfall where so-named pushers 
> cut off to go back to Island Yard.? Some pushers, however, continued on 
> the train all of the way to Durham.? These were Y class steam 
> locomotives and when two came in on a train it put quite a strain on us 
> laborers and other crafts in that small, sparsely-equipped shop to get 
> them serviced.? You can imagine what we felt on one memorable day when a 
> train came from Lynchburg with double-headed Ys on the head end and a Y 
> pusher on the rear--all of which needed servicing!
> 
> Gordon Hamilton
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>> On 2/5/2021 1:49 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List wrote:
>> Quite often, in steam days, time freights were pushed all the way from 
>> Roanoke to Winston-Salem. Even, in the diesel era, Belews Creek coal 
>> trains are pushed on the Punkin Vine.
>> 
>> Dick Kimball
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> Gordon
> I feel for you guys in the shops. How much time did you all have to service & turn the ?Y?s??  Sounds like a lot of tonnage moving between Lynchburg & Durham during those years.  This was pre-Hyco & Mayo coal movements.  Do you remember what the freight consist was that would require so much motive power? Was it mostly overhead traffic to be interchanged or mostly destined to N&W served customers? 
> My uncle, R. G. Robertson was the station master @ Woodsdale. My earliest memories were of watching the sets Alcos roll by with mixed freight in the late ?50?s (missed steam daggonnit!). 
> Thanks
> Herb Edwards
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>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 5:49 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> ?
>> I worked as a laborer in the N&W Durham shop the summers of 1954-56 and I heard much mention of a "Winfall pusher.  This pusher assisted freight trains out of Lynchburg's Island Yard, up the stiff 2.6 percent grade to 12th Street and on another 16 miles to Winfall where so-named pushers cut off to go back to Island Yard.  Some pushers, however, continued on the train all of the way to Durham.  These were Y class steam locomotives and when two came in on a train it put quite a strain on us laborers and other crafts in that small, sparsely-equipped shop to get them serviced.  You can imagine what we felt on one memorable day when a train came from Lynchburg with double-headed Ys on the head end and a Y pusher on the rear--all of which needed servicing!
>> 
>> Gordon Hamilton
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>>> On 2/5/2021 1:49 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List wrote:
>>> Quite often, in steam days, time freights were pushed all the way from Roanoke to Winston-Salem. Even, in the diesel era, Belews Creek coal trains are pushed on the Punkin Vine.
>>> 
>>> Dick Kimball
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>> Quite often, in steam days, time freights were pushed all the way from
>> Roanoke to Winston-Salem. Even, in the diesel era, Belews Creek coal trains
>> are pushed on the Punkin Vine.
>> Dick Kimball
>> 
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> As a brand new Management Trainee in the Spring of 1977, my first
>> assignment was the Shenandoah Division, my first train was the Belews Creek
>> coal train, with the newest equipment, locomotives and hopper cars, on the
>> railroad.  Our first stop was Starkey as I recall, the lead unit needed a
>> new oil filter and mechanical forces met us and pulled out and replaced the
>> biggest oil filter I have ever seen.  On we went.
> 
> I don?t remember much of anything about the trip south, we arrived at
> Belews Creek and they had to decide what to do with this kid.  It was
> concluded that I should come home to Roanoke on the pusher locomotive.
> 
> Now I was traveling north with a single engineer and I started asking my
> questions, lots of questions.  I don?t know what I asked, but I distinctly
> remember him suggesting that I might be able to take the controls when we
> got a bit further up the road.  I didn?t ask for that but I certainly
> wasn?t going to turn him down.  Unfortunately, the dispatcher had to put us
> into a passing siding to clear for a trainload of automobile racks headed
> to Winston Salem.  Even worst, the train beside us went into emergency as
> an air hose parted somewhere in the train.  The lead brakeman started
> walking the train to find the problem and my pusher engineer headed back
> south to pick him up.  Eager to get home, we could carry the brakeman north
> beside the stopped train and spot the errant hose with a flashlight as we
> brought him north a whole lot faster than he could walk.  Hose spotted,
> reconnected, and brakeman delivered to the head end, we headed north on our
> siding to wait for the autoracks train to clear for us to proceed to
> Roanoke.
> There is no doubt but that I continued asking questions, but I did not
> question his control of our 3 SD unit pusher locomotives.  It did seem like
> we were moving awfully fast toward that derail at the north end of the
> siding, and the freight train we were waiting for was right beside us.  I
> am not someone to tell someone else how to do their job, especially when
> I?ve been on the job two weeks and my engineer had been there 30 years.  I
> kept quiet, and got to experience what it?s like to go over a detail on an
> SD40-2. The train beside us departed and the poor guy in the car, on the
> wrong side of the road crossing down to the river, found 3 SD units parked
> on the road crossing in front of him, he wasn?t getting home to momma
> tonight.
> The dispatcher was called, an irrate trainmaster was sent to get us and
> bring us back to Roanoke.  I don?t recall much in the way of conversation
> in that ride home.  Sometime later I was called at the Safety Dept where
> the Operating Dept trainees were based, I was to report to an investigation
> pronto.  Instead of observing an investigation as a trainee, I testified.
> What was my name, how long had I worked for the N&W.  I was excused.  I?m
> sure the engineer?s union representative wanted to ask me more, but it was
> deemed irrelevant.  Never riding in the Shenandoah Division again, I doubt
> the next trainee got a warm reception.
> David Ray
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> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 18:58:02 -0500
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> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> Herb,
> Do you go visit the old Woodsdale station at the Site of the Clarksville Station Steakhouse?  It looks good.
> 
> Gordon,
> The coal trestle at the Durham Shops site is still standing.  Hope you are doing well.
> 
> Chuck Stewart
> Bahama (Durham County), NC
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>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 4:05 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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>> ?Gordon
>> I feel for you guys in the shops. How much time did you all have to service & turn the ?Y?s??  Sounds like a lot of tonnage moving between Lynchburg & Durham during those years.  This was pre-Hyco & Mayo coal movements.  Do you remember what the freight consist was that would require so much motive power? Was it mostly overhead traffic to be interchanged or mostly destined to N&W served customers? 
>> My uncle, R. G. Robertson was the station master @ Woodsdale. My earliest memories were of watching the sets Alcos roll by with mixed freight in the late ?50?s (missed steam daggonnit!). 
>> Thanks
>> Herb Edwards
>> 
>> 
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>>>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 5:49 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I worked as a laborer in the N&W Durham shop the summers of 1954-56 and I heard much mention of a "Winfall pusher.  This pusher assisted freight trains out of Lynchburg's Island Yard, up the stiff 2.6 percent grade to 12th Street and on another 16 miles to Winfall where so-named pushers cut off to go back to Island Yard.  Some pushers, however, continued on the train all of the way to Durham.  These were Y class steam locomotives and when two came in on a train it put quite a strain on us laborers and other crafts in that small, sparsely-equipped shop to get them serviced.  You can imagine what we felt on one memorable day when a train came from Lynchburg with double-headed Ys on the head end and a Y pusher on the rear--all of which needed servicing!
>>> 
>>> Gordon Hamilton
>>> 
>>> On 2/5/2021 1:49 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List wrote:
>>>> Quite often, in steam days, time freights were pushed all the way from Roanoke to Winston-Salem. Even, in the diesel era, Belews Creek coal trains are pushed on the Punkin Vine.
>>>> 
>>>> Dick Kimball
>>>> 
>>>> 
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