N&W 2157

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Fri Sep 18 13:17:11 EDT 2020 

Just showed the photo to Grandle Meador, retired Norfolk Division Engineer, he said without a doubt it is Villamont.

Ken Miller

> On Sep 18, 2020, at 9:54 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
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> Which I am sure is a result of sixty five years of foliage growth. When I retired in 2012 you have no idea how much we had been complaining for years because of the trees blocking views. Even back in 1994, they had to remove a tree before the 611 trip up the valley.
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> Jimmy Lisle
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> When we arrived in Villamont in 2017 to shoot 611 I had the feeling we were in a narrow right-of-way which is at odds with the wide look of the B&W pic. 
> Mike Pierry, Jr.
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> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:43 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
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> Nope.  It still isn’t Villamont.  The 
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> track at the Villamont tank was straight, and this isn’t.  Plus if he’s on 
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> the WB main, where was the middle track and the eastbound?  I have photos 
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> of both 1214 and 1218 passing there and the track is straight and there were 
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> weeping willows around.
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> Sorry, 
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> but I’m sticking with my original assessment of it being Villamont. 
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> Mr. Schlotthober and Mr. Bundy were at the archives today and we discussed 
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> and looked at several photos and track charts and I believe they are in 
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> agreement with me that it is Villamont. Charlie initially thought it might be 
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> Bonsack but a study of the track charts and Google maps seems to make that 
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> We present the following evidence:
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> The original photo is a wooden water tank. Bonsack was a steel tank.
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> The 1953 track chart indicates a slight right hand curve coming into 
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> Villamont, with a short spur off to the left, perhaps only 2 cars long, enough 
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> to hold a pusher engine and maybe a touch longer,
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> Now observe the following photo of 611 at Bonsack, from further west.
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> Wooden water tank, compare to original photo, there are two tall telephone 
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> Note the slight curve. Since the original photo is not very high 
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> resolution, it appears that the westbound Tennessean is on the other main track, 
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> which helps explain why the pusher is on the westbound track.
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> In looking over the track chart between milepost 228 (Bedford) and MP 255 
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> (Vinton) there are only two places with water tanks, one is Villamont, the other 
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> is Bonsack. Bonsack was clearly a steel tank:
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> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=98168 <https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=98168>
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> https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=145614 <https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=145614>
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> I agree about the weeping willows, but they are closer to the creek on the 
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> other side, behind the hopper train.
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> Here is a view of 611 heading west with the Arrow at Villamont with wooden 
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> water tank in place, sorry the photo was not wide enough to show the spur.
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> I believe the defense rests its case! :)
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> Ken Miller
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>> There are enough tracks shown, plus the water tank. An old track chart 
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>> Sorry.  It isn't Villamont.  The line is 
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>> straight through there and there 
>> were weeping willow trees.  Also 
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>> there was a center siding there and an 
>> eastbound main, none of those 
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>> switches and sidings fit Villamont.
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>> It is definitely a pusher backing 
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>> up.
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>> - Ed King
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>> I concur about Villamont.  No 
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>> doubt that's the location.
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>> Jeff Hawkins
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>> > Frank
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>> Looks to me like Villamont, with a westbound empty train.
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>> speculation is this westbound, with one or two things: either may have 
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>> > been a bit overloaded, or they were having issues with their motive 
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>> power, 
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>> the rear of 
>> > this train, but with the exhaust, it appears to be 
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>> working, not just along 
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>> normal pusher assigned to Boaz, that came over the hill to 
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>> the empty train west on its way back to Boaz.
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>> yellow flag, signifying the end of train, note the yellow 
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>> the rear of the caboose.
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>> > The pushers would place the yellow 
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>> flag, normally in the knuckle on the 
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>> whom ever placed this one stuck it off to 
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>> Just my speculation
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>> > Ken Miller
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>> 2020, at 4:21 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List 
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>> Good morning, all:
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>> >> I have attached a negative scan of 
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>> N&W 2157 at an unidentified location, 
>> >> available on eBay which 
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>> I will not be bidding upon. I have three 
>> >> questions:
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>> 1) Any location guesses? There appears to be a water tank in the distance 
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>> >> behind the cars.
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>> tender signify that this was a mine run or 
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>> There is a white flag on the pilot. Is this the flag location for an 
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>> >> extra on the N&W? Most other railroads had a flag holder near 
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>> >> Best 
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>> >> Frank Scheer
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