N&W 2157

Fri Sep 18 07:30:59 EDT 2020

When we arrived in Villamont in 2017 to shoot 611 I had the feeling we were
in a narrow right-of-way which is at odds with the wide look of the B&W
pic.
Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:43 AM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> Nope.  It still isn’t Villamont.  The
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> the WB main, where was the middle track and the eastbound?  I have photos
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> Mr. Schlotthober and Mr. Bundy were at the archives today and we discussed
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> agreement with me that it is Villamont. Charlie initially thought it might
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> Bonsack but a study of the track charts and Google maps seems to make that
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> The original photo is a wooden water tank. Bonsack was a steel tank.
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> The 1953 track chart indicates a slight right hand curve coming into
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> Villamont, with a short spur off to the left, perhaps only 2 cars long,
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> Now observe the following photo of 611 at Bonsack, from further west.
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> Wooden water tank, compare to original photo, there are two tall telephone
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> In looking over the track chart between milepost 228 (Bedford) and MP 255
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> I agree about the weeping willows, but they are closer to the creek on the
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> Here is a view of 611 heading west with the Arrow at Villamont with wooden
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> Date: 9/17/20 11:18 AM (GMT-05:00)
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> Subject: Re: N&W 2157
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> Sorry.  It isn't Villamont.  The line is
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> switches and sidings fit Villamont.
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> It is definitely a pusher backing
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> I concur about Villamont.  No
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> Jeff Hawkins
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> Looks to me like Villamont, with a westbound empty train.
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> normal pusher assigned to Boaz, that came over the hill to
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> the empty train west on its way back to Boaz.
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> yellow flag, signifying the end of train, note the yellow
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> flag, normally in the knuckle on the
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> whom ever placed this one stuck it off to
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> Just my speculation
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> > Ken Miller
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> 2020, at 4:21 AM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List
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> Good morning, all:
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> >> I have attached a negative scan of
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> N&W 2157 at an unidentified location,
> >> available on eBay which
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> I will not be bidding upon. I have three
> >> questions:
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> 1) Any location guesses? There appears to be a water tank in the distance
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> >> 2) Does the caboose behind the
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> tender signify that this was a mine run or
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> There is a white flag on the pilot. Is this the flag location for an
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> >> extra on the N&W? Most other railroads had a flag holder near
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> >> Best
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> wishes,
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> >> Frank Scheer
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