Virginian Coal Cars

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Sun Aug 9 05:06:25 EDT 2020


Frank,

     The "high coal cars" referred to in NKP employee tt's were the six 
axle ones used by VGN and C&O. The NKP never had this type of equipment, 
mostly just 2 pocket 50 tonners. As far as speed was concerned, the NKP 
just ran faster since it was laid out on flat lands.

     WJPowers

On 8/8/2020 6:32 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Okay, I'll admit to wondering why the specific limit for NKP coal 
> cars, and not Wabash, VGN, P&WV, or .?? Also: 45 mph almost seems high 
> for coal trains; maybe my thinking is locked into the 14/28 mph 
> squareheads.
>
> Frank Bongiovanni
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:20 PM NW Mailing List 
> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>
>     Nickel Plate employee timetables listed those "high hoppers" as
>     restricting train speed to 45 mph.
>
>     WJPowers
>
>     On 8/7/2020 3:40 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>>     Ted;
>>
>>     Again, Yes. I'm 98% confident that is exactly what they were and
>>     where they were going.  We have pictures of those gons on the PRR
>>     north of Columbus, and on the C&O's dumper at Presque Isle.
>>
>>     And somehow those pictures have ended up in a clinic discussing
>>     those gons and our response to the myth about how they "never
>>     never ever ever went off the Virginian".
>>
>>     Frank Bongiovanni
>>
>>
>>     On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:35 PM NW Mailing List via
>>     NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
>>     <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi all,
>>         In the mid 50's well before the merger I saw groups of loaded
>>         Virginian hoppers, including an occasional group of 100 ton
>>         gons, in westbound trains going through Circleville. They
>>         rolled very noisily compared to the N&W cars. Might they have
>>         been Lake Erie bound coal from a mine on the Virginian and
>>         taking the most convenient route?
>>         Ted Goodman
>>         Columbus
>>
>>
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>>         Subject: Re: Virginian Coal Cars
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>>         After the merger, which railroad name was on the car was
>>         irrelevant. VGN cars were just more N&W cars and there was no
>>         reason to treat them differently. After 1964, you would also
>>         see NKP and WAB hoppers but again, they were just more N&W
>>         cars operationally.
>>
>>         -- 
>>         Larry Stone
>>         lstone19 at stonejongleux.com <mailto:lstone19 at stonejongleux.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:48 AM, NW Mailing List via
>>         NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
>>         <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > It seems to me that as a boy, I saw a lot of Virginian coal
>>         cars, along with N&W coal cars, being pulled into Norfolk
>>         during the late 50s and early 60s.  Do I remember this
>>         correctly?  Did N&W also pull a lot of Virginian coal cars?
>>         >
>>         > Jack:
>>         > After the N&W/VGN merger hoppers from both roads  would be
>>         mixed in the same train. Before the
>>         > merger I'm not sure.  If VGN delivered a car to N&W at
>>         Portlock for dumping at Lamberts Point, the
>>         > only revenue N&W would receive was a switching charge
>>         (About $17.60 in 1960 prices) and N&W would
>>         > wind up paying VGN per diem (About $2.16 a car per day),
>>         performing switching, etc. One possibility
>>         > though -- if VGN interchanged the load to N&W at Roanoke,
>>         N&W would get a a percentage of the
>>         > long-haul rate.                                       Harry
>>         Bundy
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