Virginian Coal Cars
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Frank,
The "high coal cars" referred to in NKP employee tt's were the six
axle ones used by VGN and C&O. The NKP never had this type of equipment,
mostly just 2 pocket 50 tonners. As far as speed was concerned, the NKP
just ran faster since it was laid out on flat lands.
WJPowers
On 8/8/2020 6:32 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Okay, I'll admit to wondering why the specific limit for NKP coal
> cars, and not Wabash, VGN, P&WV, or .?? Also: 45 mph almost seems high
> for coal trains; maybe my thinking is locked into the 14/28 mph
> squareheads.
>
> Frank Bongiovanni
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:20 PM NW Mailing List
> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>
> Nickel Plate employee timetables listed those "high hoppers" as
> restricting train speed to 45 mph.
>
> WJPowers
>
> On 8/7/2020 3:40 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>> Ted;
>>
>> Again, Yes. I'm 98% confident that is exactly what they were and
>> where they were going. We have pictures of those gons on the PRR
>> north of Columbus, and on the C&O's dumper at Presque Isle.
>>
>> And somehow those pictures have ended up in a clinic discussing
>> those gons and our response to the myth about how they "never
>> never ever ever went off the Virginian".
>>
>> Frank Bongiovanni
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:35 PM NW Mailing List via
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>> <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> In the mid 50's well before the merger I saw groups of loaded
>> Virginian hoppers, including an occasional group of 100 ton
>> gons, in westbound trains going through Circleville. They
>> rolled very noisily compared to the N&W cars. Might they have
>> been Lake Erie bound coal from a mine on the Virginian and
>> taking the most convenient route?
>> Ted Goodman
>> Columbus
>>
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>> After the merger, which railroad name was on the car was
>> irrelevant. VGN cars were just more N&W cars and there was no
>> reason to treat them differently. After 1964, you would also
>> see NKP and WAB hoppers but again, they were just more N&W
>> cars operationally.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Stone
>> lstone19 at stonejongleux.com <mailto:lstone19 at stonejongleux.com>
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>> > On Aug 7, 2020, at 10:48 AM, NW Mailing List via
>> NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It seems to me that as a boy, I saw a lot of Virginian coal
>> cars, along with N&W coal cars, being pulled into Norfolk
>> during the late 50s and early 60s. Do I remember this
>> correctly? Did N&W also pull a lot of Virginian coal cars?
>> >
>> > Jack:
>> > After the N&W/VGN merger hoppers from both roads would be
>> mixed in the same train. Before the
>> > merger I'm not sure. If VGN delivered a car to N&W at
>> Portlock for dumping at Lamberts Point, the
>> > only revenue N&W would receive was a switching charge
>> (About $17.60 in 1960 prices) and N&W would
>> > wind up paying VGN per diem (About $2.16 a car per day),
>> performing switching, etc. One possibility
>> > though -- if VGN interchanged the load to N&W at Roanoke,
>> N&W would get a a percentage of the
>> > long-haul rate. Harry
>> Bundy
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