S1 whistles

Sun Feb 2 17:53:17 EST 2020

Talking about the standard freight hooter. Were they N&W DESIGNED or constructed? Did N&W borrow a manufactured whistle design for the fleet? The reason I ask is on most recordings I have of B&O EM-1 2-8-8-4's they sound just like the hooter.
Funny the N&W, Reading and Pennsy basically standardized their whistles but it seems B&O had many different ones on different classes and different engines in those classes. The EM-1 seems to always be the hooter.
Roger HuberDeer Creek Locomotive Works 

    On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 04:27:55 PM CST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  

 Dave,
Yes, I took measurements of the original Nichol's whistle and we made a replica in the shop. There was a major difference with the replica in that we used brass instead vs. the original steel boiler tube. Additionally, I recall there was a lot of braze/welding on the original which would certainly have had an effect on the sound as well. While it sounded similar to the original, we never got it to sound "right".We did indeed use the original, but it didn't sound right. I found out later the guy who mounted it on #475 didn't open the shut off valve more than a half a turn. Duh!
Rick
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 7:59 PM NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

 Rick,
Didn't Strasburg also build a copy of Nichols' 3-note custom whistle for N&W 475?  IIRC, they had the real thing there for a while (owned by Lee Alley??) and used it for some runs.

Dave Stephenson   

    On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 6:27:22 PM EST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:  

 Strasburg made the 7" and 12" whistle bells in their shop from N&W prints. I was able to persuade my boss to go that route vs. using a chime whistle which was preferred in Pennsy territory.
Rick Musser
On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 1:04 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Well said Ed King that my thoughts exzacly. The seven inch top was N&Ws standard fright whistle before the Hancocks been discussed here many times
Larry Evans

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On Feb 1, 2020, at 7:46 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

Well, here’s what I remember. First – the 475 has a hooter with a seven-inch bell, shorter and higher-pitched than the standard 12-inch (?) hooter.  My understanding is that the 7-inch hooter was replaced by the 12-inch job; I don’t know where the Strasburg got a 7-incher.  The sounds of the regular hooter varied as to the boiler pressure of the locomotive to which they were attached.  The A and Y-5 plus engines with 300 punds sounded different than the K_1/S-1as with 220.  The Ms with 200 pounds didn’t sound too much different than the 220s and the Y-3/3a/4 with 270 didn’t sound too much different from the 300-pound engines.  And there was always F. T. Nichols’ screamer which he used on the Abingdon Branch. The passenger engines of the streamlined engines were handicapped by being down inside the skyline casing and the Ks with 220 pounds sounded different from the 300-pound Js. For my money  the best sounding chimes were those on the two Pacifics used on the Clinch.  They were out in the open on the side of the steam dome, and they’d echo down the hollows along the Clinch and make you homesick on your own back porch. - Ed King From: NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 3:57 PMTo: NW Mailing List Cc: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: S1 whistles Using the same freight whistles as the A, Y, etc sounds reasonable. Were there 2 freight whistles? The reason I ask is because the hooter I have heard on all recordings of the A, Y, Z and all sounded different from what I have heard on recordings of the M's. Boiler pressure? The whistle USUALLY used on the 475 at Strasburg has a different sound than the "hooter".  I think the BP may be the reason the K-2 sounds slightly different than the J as I'm told they had the same Hancock whistles. Is that true?
 I think the N&W should have copied the special whistle from the 382 and used that one more! LOL Roger Huber Deer Creek Locomotive Works  On Friday, January 31, 2020, 02:47:24 PM CST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:   It seems to me that the S1a whistle would be a little quieter (not as loud) than the other engines using the standard hooter due to boiler pressure differences. I don’t see why N&W would design a special whistle for the switchers when their standard whistles were probably readily available. 
 I have Bill Bauer’s recordings from 1958 and some are noted as S1 or S1a engines. There may be some whistling on one of them.
 -Jim Herron
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