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Great Interest from me I would love to hear those .Ken Tanner
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Today's Topics:
1. Pacific 578 recordings (NW Mailing List)
2. You won't believe this, but...... (NW Mailing List)
3. Re: S1 whistles (NW Mailing List)
4. Re: S1 whistles (NW Mailing List)
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 01:06:18 -0500
From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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Subject: Pacific 578 recordings
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As I mentioned before, I have Bill Bauer?s 1/4 inch tape recordings and
recently released his chase of Y6 2136 on a mine run in 1958. Bill also rode
trains 5 & 6 and recorded much of those runs from the baggage car at the
head of the train. Pacific 578?s Hancock whistle is very prominent in those
recordings and Bill captured some great sound as the train got up to speed
out of Bluefield, Va before working it?s way toward Norton over grades,
trestles, and through tunnels. He kept the recorder going at some of the
station stops where you hear talk from the crew and ground personnel and
related activity. If there is sufficient interest, I?ll produce a CD from
those trips.
-Jim Herron
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 02:14:23 -0500
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Subject: You won't believe this, but......
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Mike?s Train House has morphed a Union Pacific streamlined (49er) Pacific
into, well, You be the judge!
https://mthtrains.com/30-1707-1
-JH
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Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 20:46:47 -0500
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Subject: Re: S1 whistles
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Well I have your J Whistle now . It's been lot of fun I have had it on 765
on a couple Shays at Cass and New Hope Valley 17 and a hole host of
different whistle blows . I penned your initials out but if you look really
close you can still tell it. Also got your A number plate which a friend in
Roanoke has now.
Larry Evans
"There's the sun, there's the moon, there's the air we breathe, and
there's the Rolling Stones" Keith Richards
> On Feb 1, 2020, at 2:32 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:
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> When I worked in Roanoke Shop in 1957, Elmer Lam was Foreman at the Air
Brake Shop. They did maintenance work on whistles, and they had a J whistle
that had broken through the valve which they had repaired. Lam gave the
whistle to me. When I moved to Birmingham in 1969 I mounted the whistle on
an Army 0-6-6 the local NRHS chapter operated occasionally. I had to mount
it vertically and had a friend cobble up an operating lever for it. It
wasn?t satisfactory in operation but it did sound good. I never knew what
engine it had been used on; there were no markings on the bell of any kind.
But it now has my initials stamped in the top wherever it is.
>
> when I worked at Shaffers in 1959 there were a number of engines stored
dead in the roundhouse awaiting disposition. Among these was S-1a #230. I
was given a big pipe wrench and allowed to remove its hooter, complete with
the ?monkey tail? operating lever. Among the things I lost in a subsequent
divorce was the monkey tail. I never blew the hooter.
>
> These whistles were among several artofacts I sold in 1997 when I retired.
I had the whistles and a couple of number plates far longer than their
engines had them.
>
> - Ed King
>
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> Subject: Re: S1 whistles
>
> Well said Ed King that my thoughts exzacly. The seven inch top was N&Ws
standard fright whistle before the Hancocks been discussed here many times
>
> Larry Evans
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>>> On Feb 1, 2020, at 7:46 AM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
wrote:
>>>
>> ?
>> Well, here?s what I remember.
>>
>> First ? the 475 has a hooter with a seven-inch bell, shorter and
higher-pitched than the standard 12-inch (?) hooter. My understanding is
that the 7-inch hooter was replaced by the 12-inch job; I don?t know where
the Strasburg got a 7-incher. The sounds of the regular hooter varied as to
the boiler pressure of the locomotive to which they were attached. The A
and Y-5 plus engines with 300 punds sounded different than the K_1/S-1as
with 220. The Ms with 200 pounds didn?t sound too much different than the
220s and the Y-3/3a/4 with 270 didn?t sound too much different from the
300-pound engines. And there was always F. T. Nichols? screamer which he
used on the Abingdon Branch.
>>
>> The passenger engines of the streamlined engines were handicapped by
being down inside the skyline casing and the Ks with 220 pounds sounded
different from the 300-pound Js.
>>
>> For my money the best sounding chimes were those on the two Pacifics
used on the Clinch. They were out in the open on the side of the steam
dome, and they?d echo down the hollows along the Clinch and make you
homesick on your own back porch.
>>
>> - Ed King
>>
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>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 3:57 PM
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>> Cc: NW Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: S1 whistles
>>
>> Using the same freight whistles as the A, Y, etc sounds reasonable. Were
there 2 freight whistles? The reason I ask is because the hooter I have
heard on all recordings of the A, Y, Z and all sounded different from what I
have heard on recordings of the M's. Boiler pressure? The whistle USUALLY
used on the 475 at Strasburg has a different sound than the "hooter".
>>
>> I think the BP may be the reason the K-2 sounds slightly different than
the J as I'm told they had the same Hancock whistles. Is that true?
>>
>> I think the N&W should have copied the special whistle from the 382 and
used that one more! LOL
>>
>> Roger Huber
>> Deer Creek Locomotive Works
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 31, 2020, 02:47:24 PM CST, NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that the S1a whistle would be a little quieter (not as
loud) than the other engines using the standard hooter due to boiler
pressure differences. I don?t see why N&W would design a special whistle for
the switchers when their standard whistles were probably readily available.
>>
>> I have Bill Bauer?s recordings from 1958 and some are noted as S1 or S1a
engines. There may be some whistling on one of them.
>>
>> -Jim Herron
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While I didn?t hear all the engines whistling, far from it, but one A stood
out and you can hear it on Link?s recordings. The 1238 whistle sounded
hoarse, like it had water in it. I don?t know if it was the only A that
sounded like that, but it was the only one I know about.
I?ve been told that there was a Y-6b whose whistle sounded hoarse, but I
didn?t hear it. I heard most of the Y-6s and Y-6as and none of them sounded
that way as I recall.
- Ed King
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Subject: Re: S1 whistles
Whistles (horns, too) can break into high level harmonics, sometimes called
overblow,. Various squeaks and squawks can be caused if you have the right
technique on the whistle cord. The recording you're referring to on Thunder
on Blue Ridge, is a great example of what can happen with a single chamber
whistle. "The Great Whistle Storm", as Link called it, is a sustained
example of a high harmonic, which as I recall, returns to the normal pitch
for the last long crossing blast. Bud Swearer's N&W recordings also feature
a similar phenomenon, but his recordings are very hard to find nowadays.
Dave Stephenson
On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 6:27:39 PM EST, NW Mailing List via
NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
While on the subject, O Winston Link's recording (33 rpm) of Hooters on Blue
Ridge renders a triumphant blast of the pusher crossing the crest at Blue
Ridge followed by a high-pitched scream of some whistle I always thought was
something the fireman was playing with - any comments? Ron Hash
On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 7:47:04 AM EST, NW Mailing List
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Well, here?s what I remember.
First ? the 475 has a hooter with a seven-inch bell, shorter and
higher-pitched than the standard 12-inch (?) hooter. My understanding is
that the 7-inch hooter was replaced by the 12-inch job; I don?t know where
the Strasburg got a 7-incher. The sounds of the regular hooter varied as to
the boiler pressure of the locomotive to which they were attached. The A
and Y-5 plus engines with 300 punds sounded different than the K_1/S-1as
with 220. The Ms with 200 pounds didn?t sound too much different than the
220s and the Y-3/3a/4 with 270 didn?t sound too much different from the
300-pound engines. And there was always F. T. Nichols? screamer which he
used on the Abingdon Branch.
The passenger engines of the streamlined engines were handicapped by being
down inside the skyline casing and the Ks with 220 pounds sounded different
from the 300-pound Js.
For my money the best sounding chimes were those on the two Pacifics used
on the Clinch. They were out in the open on the side of the steam dome, and
they?d echo down the hollows along the Clinch and make you homesick on your
own back porch.
- Ed King
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 3:57 PM
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Subject: Re: S1 whistles
Using the same freight whistles as the A, Y, etc sounds reasonable. Were
there 2 freight whistles? The reason I ask is because the hooter I have
heard on all recordings of the A, Y, Z and all sounded different from what I
have heard on recordings of the M's. Boiler pressure? The whistle USUALLY
used on the 475 at Strasburg has a different sound than the "hooter".
I think the BP may be the reason the K-2 sounds slightly different than the
J as I'm told they had the same Hancock whistles. Is that true?
I think the N&W should have copied the special whistle from the 382 and used
that one more! LOL
Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works
On Friday, January 31, 2020, 02:47:24 PM CST, NW Mailing List
<nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
It seems to me that the S1a whistle would be a little quieter (not as loud)
than the other engines using the standard hooter due to boiler pressure
differences. I don?t see why N&W would design a special whistle for the
switchers when their standard whistles were probably readily available.
I have Bill Bauer?s recordings from 1958 and some are noted as S1 or S1a
engines. There may be some whistling on one of them.
-Jim Herron
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