6 wheel trucks
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Mon Nov 26 22:44:43 EST 2018
Didn’t those earlier VGN 3-bay 70-ton hoppers have a rather unique truck under them? If I’m not mistaken, they had a very rare 6x11 journal Vulcan truck.
EdKing
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Steve Summers researched the heck out of these for a clinic, and I have the material somewhere, but I'm 95% certain that the H-14's were built after the H-15's. The H-15's are another in the long line of 50/52.5/55 ton two bay hoppers; the H-14's were the second group of 70 ton three bays, several years after the 70 ton 3 bay H-5's. The H-14/H-34's are kind of a unique VGN/N&W design, and as far as I know, even though we've had two different postings on how to take an MDC or Atlas TrainMan 70 ton 3 bay and convert it to the H14/34 hopper, an accurate model has not been done in kit or RTR.
Frank Bongiovanni
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:44 PM NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
Don’t recall the VGN H-15s. Do recall the H-14s; I was working at Shaffers Crossing Shop Track at the date of the merger and was drafted for a couple of jobs at other locations. My impression was that the H-14 class was in existence before the merger and that 500 more were built after the merger as N&W H-34s. I don’t recall the numbers.
Ed King
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Ed,
Virginian drawings show 1000 H-15, 55-T hoppers built by Bethlehem Steel from Mar. thru June 1953, numbers 26000-26999.
Then, from May thru Oct 1956 Virginian built at Princeton, 500 total hoppers, H-15a nos. 27000-27299 and H-15b nos. 27300-27499.
I know the H-14, 70-T hoppers were built in Princeton, but for some reason I do not have that drawing.
Since I do not have the H-14 drawing I can't prove it, but something tells me, and I don't know why, that the H-14 hoppers were actually built after the the H-15a&b hoppers. That would explain the left over material for more H-14s after the merger.
Your thoughts?
Jeff Sanders
On Monday, November 26, 2018, 7:51:35 AM EST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
Jeff -
The Virginian cars were 70-ton hoppers classed H-14. At the time of the merger, material was on hand at Princeton to build 500 more cars; they were N&W class H-34. At least, this was the story at the time.
Ed King
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Interesting that the Class was H-15. The Virginian had just built class H-15 hoppers in Princeton in the late '50s. In fact, I believe the N&W continued to build cars in Princeton after the merger, under the new N&W numbers and class. N&W wasted no time in reclassifying Vgn equipment to fit its system. I'm betting all that was probably settled before merger day.
Jeff Sanders
On Saturday, November 24, 2018, 6:47:46 PM EST, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
I only missed the class by two . . .
EdKing
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Except that the class was H-15, the rest sounds good to me.
Gordon Hamilton
On 11/23/2018 10:19 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Around 1961 or so N&W designed a massive 150-ton hopper car (class
> H13?) to use short-wheelbase Buckeye 6-wheel trucks like those used on
> Y-6 tenders. They started construction and ordered the trucks from the
> Buckeye people and were advised that the short-wheelbase item was no
> longer available. In order that the project not be scrapped on the
> spot, they had to go to United Iron and Metal at Roanoke which was
> scrapping Y-6bs at the time and buy a pair of tender trucks, which
> reportedly cost $25,000.
>
> I saw the car a couple of times; it really stood out in a coal train.
>
> Gordon, can you correct any mistakes I have made?
>
> Ed King
>
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> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 3:48 AM
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> Subject: 6 wheel trucks
>
> Recent discussions with a friend on the VGN battleship gondola brought
> to memory of a 6 wheel hopper I thought was VGN, but could also be N&W.
> There were either photos or drawings in the ARROW, which I have gone
> through and found the VGN car, but not the style I am remembering.
> A friend of mine had his father cut the shape out of wood some years
> ago. I got 6 wheel trucks for them, but never finished them.
> Does anyone know or remember these cars, and where the drawing/photo was?
> I know with all the talk of the manufacturers closing down, and really
> putting the squeeze on available models, has anyone considered 3D
> printing?
> I have quite a few hoppers, excavators, front end loaders ect that
> were 3D printed. I know they are not perfect and need extra attention,
> but after putting micro-train trucks under them, they look quite nice
> and work fine. 3D printing could offer unlimited items to manufacture,
> that otherwise would never be made except for scratch building.
>
> PS in the March/April 2006 issue of the ARROW, mine came with 2 front
> covers, so if your issue is missing its front cover, I have it.
>
> Jeff Wood
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