Weed Spraying Train

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Sat Nov 3 13:24:53 EDT 2018


Jim,

I am planning an article for The Arrow on all my summer jobs on the N&W, 
but I don't know when this will come to fruition because I am working 
(??) two other articles ahead of the summer job article.

Thanks for your interest.

Gordon

On 11/1/2018 9:13 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> Gordon,
> I for one would be extremely interested in your remembrances while 
> working East of Williamson.  Would you consider recollecting those 
> days and perhaps writing an article or at least feeding us snatches 
> through the list?
> Thanks,
> Jim Cochran
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 12:49 AM NW Mailing List 
> <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>
>     Gordon,
>     Speaking of the weed spraying train, do you have any more pictures
>     of this train or where they may be found in the Archives? I’m
>     contemplating building an N&W weed spraying train in O Scale.
>
>     Sincerely,
>     Joseph Congemi
>
>     On Oct 30, 2018, at 22:52, NW Mailing List
>     <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>
>>     I am very familiar with the use of water spouts to fill not only
>>     steam loco tenders but also tank cars.  I worked four summers
>>     (1952 - 1955) as a laborer in the shops in Durham, NC (3 summers)
>>     and in Winston-Salem, NC (1 summer).  Several times daily I would
>>     have to climb up onto the top of a tender tank, open the funnel
>>     lid, pull the spout down against the counterweight tending to
>>     pull the spout upward, generally stand or sit on the spout to
>>     keep it down, reach up and pull on the rope to open the valve
>>     which admitted water into the spout, and try to judge when to
>>     shut off the tremendous flow of water to avoid overflowing the
>>     tank.  In addition, I worked June and July of 1954 as a laborer
>>     on the N&W's weed spray train covering the entire N&W east of
>>     Williamson, WV (the ability to see that part of the railroad up
>>     close was why I sought that job).  Our train had four tank cars
>>     for water (plus two chemical tank cars, the spray car and a bunk
>>     car).  During those two months I filled the four tank cars from
>>     many different water tanks (see the attached photo of one on the
>>     Shenandoah Division as best as I can remember the location).  I
>>     am confident that the operators of today's weed control trains
>>     wish that they had as great a selection of high-flow-rate water
>>     sources as we did when water tanks were all over the railroad.
>>
>>     I don't remember how long it might have taken to fill an almost
>>     empty tender, but it didn't take long when you consider the
>>     diameter of the spout and that the spout was completely filled
>>     with rushing water. By the way, there was no need for a lock on
>>     the water tank valve.  The thief/vandal could never reach the
>>     valve rope while standing on the ground.
>>
>>     Gordon Hamilton
>>
>>     On 10/30/2018 5:49 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
>>>     Mike,
>>>
>>>     Me too, that is why I originally asked the question.  Remember,
>>>     after coming to a complete stop, the brakeman would have to turn
>>>     the valve (? terminology) on the car immediately behind the
>>>     locomotive to keep air in the line; then the locomotive would
>>>     uncouple from the train and move into place at the water plug. 
>>>     The brakeman would have to climb up on the tender and open the
>>>     water fill hatch; then position the water spout over the
>>>     tender.  I'm not certain about the mechanism to operate the
>>>     water spout, but I presume there was some type of lock so no
>>>     vandals or ambitious railfans could discharge water improperly. 
>>>     The spouts were of large diameter so I imagine the water
>>>     discharged at a fast rate, perhaps only taking a few minutes to
>>>     reach capacity; then the entire process was reversed from
>>>     securing the discharge pipe, closing the water hatch and
>>>     climbing down from the tender.  I would imagine a similar
>>>     procedure was followed for coal loading.  The locomotive then
>>>     needed to back to the train and couple up, with the air hoses
>>>     connected, etc.
>>>
>>>     Since most sound decoders today have a water fill routine
>>>     available, I have been programming this into my steam loco
>>>     decoders (there is no coal fill that I am aware of); I also use
>>>     the ash dump feature for locos returning the roundhouse and
>>>     before going on the turntable. All interesting operational aspects.
>>>
>>>     Jim Brewer
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 5:04 PM NW Mailing List
>>>     <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I'm curious as to how long on average was a coal and water
>>>         stop for a mainline locomotive? 15 minutes?
>>>
>>>         Mike Weeks
>>>         Seattle
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 9:59 AM NW Mailing List
>>>         <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org <mailto:nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>             Jim,
>>>             One of Bud Swearer's recordings is of a train stopping
>>>             at Villamont for water and I don't think that they
>>>             uncoupled from the train.
>>>
>>>             Jimmy Lisle
>>>
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