Pullman Service to New York via N&W

Tue May 29 18:05:18 EDT 2018

I have timetables from 1/31/37, 9/29/46, and 6/15/58 and see the following to/from New York:
1/2 (Shenandoah Valley Route): 
1937 12 sec/1 DR Bluefield
1946 12 sec/1 DR and 10 sec/3 DBR Roanoke
1958 10/6 Roanoke

15/16 (Cavalier)
1937 None to/from New York
1946 10 sec/1 Compartment/1 DR Williamson (in 41/42 east of Roanoke)
1958 10/6 Williamson to/from Washington (no New York) (in 41/42 east of Roanoke)

17/18 (Birmingham Special)
1937 12 sec/1 DR both Nashville and Birmingham
1946 8 sec/5 DBR Birmingham and 12 sec/1 DR both Knoxville (17 only) and Chattanooga
1958 10/6 Birmingham to/from Washington (no New York)

21/22 (Cannon Ball)
1937 10 sec/2 Compartment/1 DR Norfolk
1946 10 sec/2 Compartment/1 DR Norfolk
1958 10/6 Norfolk (interestingly, 4’s Dining Car came off its train at Petersburg, overnighted there, and then was added to 22 in the morning for the just under two hour trip to Norfolk)

41/42 (NY, Chattanooga, and New Orleans Ltd in 1937 and 1946, Pelican in 1958)
1937 10 sec/2 DR New Orleans, 12 sec/1 DR Shreveport (others to/from Washington)
1946 10 sec/1 compartment/2 DR New Orleans, 12 sec/ 1 DR Shreveport, 10 sec/2 DR Bristol, 12 sec/1 DR Knoxville (42 only), 15/16’s through cars
1958 10/6 New Orleans and Knoxville

45/46 (Tennessean except 1937 as 25/26 Memphis Special)
1937 12 sec/1 DR Memphis and Nashville
1946 10 sec/3 DBR Memphis
1958 14 Roomette/4 DBR Memphis

With regard to the note below, this suggests that as long as 15/16 had a New York sleeper, it went via 41/42 and the Southern at Lynchburg as it was doing so in both 1946 and 1958.

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Larry Stone
lstone19 at stonejongleux.com

> On May 29, 2018, at 3:22 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> Jim:
> 
> When we moved from Bluefield, VA to Long Island in July, 1953, we went out of Bluefield, WV on the sleeper handled by Train 16.  I was always under the impression that the sleeper was put on a Southern train in Roanoke, so your statement that it went ACL (presumably from Petersburg) got me scurrying to my copy of "NORFOLK AND WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY CONSIST OF ALL MAIN LINE PASSENGER TRAINS", the March 15, 1954 edition one can purchase from the NWHS Archives.
> 
> It confirms that as of its publication date the NY - Williamson sleeper was exchanged with Trains 41/42 in Roanoke.  What you got from the April 1952 Official Guide may well indeed have been what was true then, but apparently it changed between then and July 1953.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave Phelps
> 
> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 6:09 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> At our recent convention in Spencer a member asked me what N&W trains/routes were used to provide Pullman service to New York.
> 
> I consulted an April 1952 copy of Official Guide of the Railways.  Per this resource there were three N&W trains that  provided daily through Pullman service to New York.
> 
> Trains No.1/2, referred to as the Shenandoah Valley Route, provided through Pullman service between Roanoke and New York. Additionally, there was through coach service between Roanoke and Harrisburg.  The sleeper and through coach would be routed at Hagerstown via the Pennsylvania Railroad.  In April 1952 the Pullman was 10-6 or 10-1-1 per the Guide. Routing to New York on PRR was Hagerstown, Harrisburg, Philadelphia, Trenton, Newark and New York.
> 
> Trains 15/16, the Cavalier, provided through Pullman service between Williamson and New York; this car was a 10/6; this car would be handled by ACL to Richmond, VA, then RF&P to Washington, DC where it would then be turned over the PRR
> 
> Trains 21/22, the Cannon Ball, provided through Pullman service between Norfolk and New York, again using a 10/6 car; routed to ACL at Petersburg, RF&P at Richmond and PRR at Washington, DC
> ;
> The above reflects what was happening in early 1952; I do not know for how long these routings had been in effect, nor how long they continued.  I would imagine these routes were fairly consistent subject to time changes; there were probably additional sleepers added during peak travel times.
> 
> My understanding is the three County Cars, as well as the Budd built sleepers, were used in the Pullman service between New York and Roanoke, Williamson and Norfolk; PRR would be supplying sleepers as well.
> 
> Although the County Cars were originally to be assigned to the Shenandoah Valley route, there is photographic evidence that Budd built "Scioto County" was used on this route as well.
> 
> Although I'm certain the consists were expected to include certain equipment, there is always the chance that other equipment was substituted or added depending on circumstances.
> 
> Perhaps others have information to correct/supplement what I have put forth here.
> 
> Jim Brewer
> Glenwood MD
> 
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