Yes, Virginia there was a turntable at Forest, Va.! - Fw: Clarification of aerial view by Rick Johnson - Fw: Fw: Fw: Only a memory! N&W Forest, Va. Station leveled.

Sun Apr 8 19:04:19 EDT 2018

Jack

That was the 611 in September 1982. There is still a turntable at Lamberts Point. The crew tried to take the 611 to the table to turn her, but the lead tracks had been changed since the steam era, and she could not make the trip without climbing the rail. So, they attempted to turn her on the balloon track around the yards and ran into trouble there, so she could not be turned on that trip. We left Norfolk the next morning with two diesels. The 611 and tool car followed us out, in reverse, I think they were concerned in attempting to turn her on the wye at Poe, just east of Petersburg. So, if I am not mistaken, they backed the 611 all the way to Roanoke.

The balloon track was fixed by the next time we went to Norfolk.

Ken Miller

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 2:54 PM, NW Mailing List via NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> 
> Long after the last steam engine ran on the N&W lines, one of the J Class engines was rebuilt.  (I don’t remember when).  I do remember reading in the Virginian Pilot (local Norfolk newspaper) that a Y had to be built in Norfolk so when the J Class arrived on a planned excursion, it could be turned around.  Does this mean the Y was needed because there was no longer a turntable in the Lambert’s Point yard?
> 
> Jack
> 
> From: NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf of NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 9:46 AM
> Subject: Yes, Virginia there was a turntable at Forest, Va.! - Fw: Clarification of aerial view by Rick Johnson - Fw: Fw: Fw: Only a memory! N&W Forest, Va. Station leveled.
>  
> Greetings RXR Superfans, 
> I am so thankful that my railroad friends are helping me preserve railroad history in an accurate manner. I know that sometimes I send out things that may not always be accurate but it's not intentional. I was not around in those days to see it with my own two eyes as the old timers say. I hope that if and when I don't have the entire story accurate in the future that folks will still kindly help straighten me out so others will know "The rest of the story" as Paul Harvey used to say. For those of you that are too young to know who Paul Harvey was just Google him! Ha! I am happy to see that my emails do generate some friendly discussions. They are a benefit to all of us railroad historians. Thanks to Ken Miller for this very interesting addition to the Forest, Va. turntable question. 
> Best, 
> Norris  
> 
> Norris Deyerle 
> Blue Ridge Chapter, National Railway Historical Society Chairman of Virginia's Rail Heritage Region Partners and 
> Lynchburg Rail Day 2018 Model Train Show Coordinator - Show date: Saturday, August 11, 2018
> 744 Chinook Place
> Lynchburg, Virginia 24502-4908
> Cell: 434-851-0151 
> 
> 
> From: Kenneth Miller <klmiller at rev.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 9:01 AM
> To: Norris Deyerle
> Cc: Rick Johnson - Blue Ridge Chapter, Nrhs
> Subject: Re: Clarification of aerial view by Rick Johnson - Fw: Fw: Fw: Only a memory! N&W Forest, Va. Station leveled.
>  
> Hey Norris
> 
> In further clarification of Rick’s notes below, which are perfect, except for one tiny thing.
> 
> There was indeed a turntable at Forest. I don’t have an exact date when it went away, but my Norfolk Division Timetable No. 8, into effect November 24, 1907 indicates a turntable there, my next Norfolk Division Timetable No. 14, effective June 6,1909 indicates a wye. This is just a touch over 18 months. Now, without further checking on specifics, that was the time frame when the railroad did a lot of double tracking and changed a lot of the grades on the Norfolk Division.
> 
> http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=99260
> 
> This is a drawing from the archives, dated January 1907 for the proposed wye track at Forest.
> 
> Turntables were common around the turn of the last century, most were small, 60 foot or so, I suspect all were “Armstrong” models. I know, for example, there was one at Salem and many, many places. The next time I am at the archives, I will take a look at the drawing for Norfolk Division, it is cataloged, but has not been scanned thus far. It may shed a bit more light on the date of removal.
> 
> Best
> Ken
> > On Apr 7, 2018, at 11:49 AM, NORRIS DEYERLE <RAILCOW at msn.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Rick Johnson's memory of the N&W Forest, Va. station. 
> > 
> > Norris Deyerle 
> > Blue Ridge Chapter, National Railway Historical Society Chairman of Virginia's Rail Heritage Region Partners and 
> > Lynchburg Rail Day 2018 Model Train Show Coordinator
> > 744 Chinook Place
> > Lynchburg, Virginia 24502-4908
> > Cell: 434-851-0151 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Rick Johnson - Blue Ridge Chapter, NRHS <notch8 at aol.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 10:29 AM
> > To: NORRIS DEYERLE; Richard McClintock
> > Cc: Herb Edwards
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Only a memory! N&W Forest, Va. Station leveled.
> >  
> > Richard,
> > 
> > Just to clarify...
> >        • "A" is an old store, now "Rick's Antiques" and still extant.
> >        • "B" is the N&W station that was just demolished.
> >        • I can't address "C" as the letter is not on the image although an additional "highlighted" area is, that I assume to be "C".
> >        • As far as I know, there was NEVER a turntable at Forest. If needed, locomotives were turned with an additional leg of a wye between the old main line and the belt line, which was removed years ago. 
> >        • There was a wooden overhead road bridge just east of the station ("B") that was also removed years ago. The abutments remain.
> > Hope this helps,
> > Rick
> > Rick Johnson
> > President
> > Blue Ridge Chapter
> > National Railway Historical Society
> > 104 Mowry Lane
> > Lynchburg, VA 24502
> > Phone: 434-660-1113
> > Fax: 434-352-5946
> > Email: 
> > notch8 at aol.com
> > On 4/5/2018 6:58 PM, NORRIS DEYERLE wrote:
> >> Great info from this aerial view! Thanks Richard! 
> >> 
> >> Norris Deyerle
> >> Blue Ridge Chapter, National Railway Historical Society Chairman of Virginia's Rail Heritage Region Partners and
> >> Lynchburg Rail Day 2018 Model Train Show Coordinator
> >> 744 Chinook Place
> >> Lynchburg, Virginia 24502-4908
> >> Cell: 434-851-0151
> >> From: Richard McClintock <trainsasachild at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 6:50:37 PM
> >> To: NORRIS DEYERLE
> >> Subject: Re: Fw: Only a memory! N&W Forest, Va. Station leveled.
> >>  
> >> This aerial shot from Google may help quell the confusion. A is the depot that just got torn down, shown in the archival plan Y1158. B is a separate building, seen in the second archival plan (Y-7589), not the same thing as the demolished depot - apparently still being used, since there are trucks parked beside it. C is the "Proposed Section Foreman's House" or another one shaped just like it in the exact same place, also shown on Plan Y-7589. The "Overhead Bridge" probably connected the road that comes down to the triangular intersection, just above and east of building B, to the matching vertical road to the south, just out of the frame at the bottom. Both surviving roads are in the same place relative to Building B as the bridge is on the plan. The switches and multiple tracks are still much like their early state, although I see no trace of the turntable any more.
> >> 
> >> <Forest-stations-aerial.jpg>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 10:06 AM, NORRIS DEYERLE <RAILCOW at msn.com> wrote:
> >> Interesting discussion on the Forest, Va. N&W station. Thanks to all for their input. 
> >> Norris
> >> 
> >> Norris Deyerle
> >> Blue Ridge Chapter, National Railway Historical Society Chairman of Virginia's Rail Heritage Region Partners and
> >> Lynchburg Rail Day 2018 Model Train Show Coordinator 
> >> LRD 2018 Saturday August 11, 2018
> >> 744 Chinook Place
> >> Lynchburg, Virginia 24502-4908
> >> Cell: 434-851-0151
> >> From: NW-Mailing-List <nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org> on behalf of NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 9:29:46 AM
> >> To: NW Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: Only a memory! N&W Forest, Va. Station leveled.
> >>  
> >> Jeff
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I’ve studied this one a fair amount, and have come up with no absolute definitive answer. 
> >> 
> >> In annual report No. 11, for the year ending June 30, 1907, it reports:
> >> 
> >> Passenger Stations and freight depots were built or enlarged at Luray, Williamson, Ironton, Colley Avenue, Norfolk; Church Road, Rice, Prospect, Winfall, Brookneal, Helena, Forest, Lowry, Rileyville, Boones Mill, Ferrum, Price, Stoneville, Walkertown, Chilhowie, Meadow View, Ainwick, Chattaroy, Peebles, Sardinia and Glen Jean.
> >> 
> >> Now, nothing is reported after that initial thing, but the design of Forest is what I call the 1914 standard from Standards Drawing L - 295, issued June 1914.
> >> 
> >> From the N&WHS archives, it seems the depot was originally on the south side of the tracks in this drawing from 1899:
> >> http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=155903
> >> 
> >> From this drawing, the shape of the station is opposite of what was there, dated 1908. I have no idea of where the overhead bridge compares to today, I’m kind of assuming that it was a just east of the depot, but there appears to be virtually no trace of it today.
> >> 
> >> http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/detail.php?ID=153640
> >> 
> >> I assume it is possible that the station burned sometime between 1907 and 1917 and was replaced with the newer design, but usually those things were reported in the Annual Report in those days.
> >> 
> >> Ken Miller
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > On Apr 3, 2018, at 8:00 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > Can anyone confirm what year the Forest station was built?
> >> >  
> >> > Jeff Hawins
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: NW Mailing List
> >> > To: NW Mailing List
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 7:44 PM
> >> > Subject: Fw: Only a memory! N&W Forest, Va. Station leveled.
> >> > 
> >> > Photo courtesy of Roy Evans. 
> >> > 
> >> > Norris Deyerle
> >> > Blue Ridge Chapter, National Railway Historical Society Chairman of Virginia's Rail Heritage Region Partners and
> >> > Lynchburg Rail Day Model Train Show Coordinator
> >> > 744 Chinook Place
> >> > Lynchburg, Virginia 24502-4908
> >> > Cell: 434-851-0151 
> >> > 
> >> > Moderator:
> >> > http://www.nwhs.org/mailinglist/2018/20180403.IMG_1373.jpg
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