M #382 at Bristol

Tue Jul 5 10:56:33 EDT 2016

Ed & Brent,

Was the superheater damper on the engineer's side of the smoke box a reliable exterior clue or were there superheated engines without one? I know that more modern steam locos didn't need a damper.

Ted Goodman
Columbus 

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You can’t , unless the engine still has the Superheater Company badge plate, usually above the builders plate on the side of the smokebox.  Bud Jeffries had a complete list of Ms equipped with superheaters in his GIANTS of STEAM book.  He also listed the Superheated W-2s.  But there is no other outward indication of the superheater.  - Ed King 

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Thank you for all of that great info!  On a class M, how can I tell visually if an engine is superheated or not?

Brent 

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Brent - 

The 382 and 429 had superheaters and were the favored Branch engines; the 382 was the favorite of the two but nobody could offer a reason why.  The 429 still had inside steam passages and the 382 the prominent outside steam pipes.  Also, they had differing check valve locations.

The 396 had the big tender but no superheater, and was used when the other two weren’t available; the crews hated it.  The lack of a superheater made a big difference in performance and coal consumption.

The 433 had the small USRA tender; it was the pusher on the three engine trains but didn’t go past White Top; I don’t know if it ever made it to West Jefferson.  It has no superheater.  It was lined up to be the second engine of a doubleheader once, but burst a flue on the way to Abingdon and was brought back to Bristol from there by the local freight.  It was repaired, of course, and worked the yard after that.  With the small tender, it took water at Creek Junction.  The 12,000 gallon tenders could make it all the way to West Jefferson.

Another superheated M, the 495, worked the branch for a while – it was the star of Reid and Thieme’s photographic foray.  It was scrapped in 1953.  

Other non-superheated Ms that worked in Bristol were the 376, 379, 405, 421 (the one with Stephenson valve gear that was lame in reverse), 434, and 467.  There may have been others that I missed.

The 475 came to Bristol in its “duded up” condition in 1956 to help Bristol in its Centennial celebration, but it didn’t come and go under its own power. 

Hope this helps.

EdKing

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I recall reading posts and seeing pictures that there was a third M-class that was used on the Abingdon branch on occasion as part of a triple header.  I seem to recall Ed mentioning that it did not go all the way to the end and back, perhaps due to a different tender that limited its range?  I also remember him saying something about an M with a valve gear issue that gave it problems (perhaps in reverse?).

Since the 433 is on display there, what was her role ?

Thanks (and a happy July 4th to everyone)!

Brent

Dr. J. Brent Greer

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> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 00:29:49 -0400
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> John,
> 
> I have never found the exact date of the last steam run on the Abingdon 
> Branch. The Bristol line was dieselized on January 1st, 1958 with the last 
> steam run on December 31st. The Abingdon Branch was done just before that. 
> The two superheated M's, numbers 382 and 429 which were assigned for that 
> branch, were both retired in December 1957. The 429 was dismantled at 
> Roanoke on 12-6-57 and the 382 soon followed on 12-20-57.
> 
> Bud Jeffries
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> 
> I've always wondered if 382's number plate was a retirement gift to Joe.
> That would have been fitting. Still interested if anyone has the date for
> the final steam run. Thanks.
> 
> John Garner
> 
> 
> Joe McNew was the engineer up until about late 1956 or early 1957 - I don't
> know the exact date. Nichols took the job until the end of steam. Don't
> know the date of the last steam run.
> 
> EdKing
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> Ed, Who was the engineer on 201/202 when you were at Bristol . . . Joe
> McNew or Nichols? Does anybody have the exact date of the last steam run on
> these trains?
> 
> Thanks, John Garner
> 
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