NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5
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What is the location and time to take "Twenty with the Friends and Brethren of the Virginian"? -Jeff Hensley.
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> 1. Oral histories (NW Mailing List)
> 2. Re: Need some branch line help! (NW Mailing List)
> 3. 611 Rods (NW Mailing List)
> 4. Re: 611 Rods (NW Mailing List)
> 5. Re: Bristol Line (NW Mailing List)
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> Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 16:11:44 -0500
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
> Subject: Oral histories
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> Yes, please! An amazing resource to augment the Archives, but best hurry.
>
> Grant Carpenter
>
> On 4/27/2015 12:06 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> > Get all the steam experiences of surviving retired N & W employees
> > possible ! Ron H
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, April 26, 2015 6:31 PM, NW Mailing List
> > <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The following candidate for NWHS Board of Directors did not get
> > included on the ballot.
> > Dean has agreed to run as a write-in candidate.
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Candidates for Election to the Board of Directors
> > The Norfolk and Western Historical Society, Inc.
> >
> > Candidate Name: *_Dean Taylor_*
> > 1. Describe briefly the skills and experience you would provide to the
> > Society if elected to serve on the Board of Directors.
> > I have been involved in fundraising for several projects for other
> > historical societies. I have been a teamleader and lead by example and
> > have a can-do spirit.
> > 2. What are the goals, programs and activities you would like to have
> > the Society undertake or improve upon during your term?
> > One of the major goals I feel that needs to be accomplished is improve
> > fellowship among the members, which should also lead to an increase in
> > membership. The members need to feel connected and be encouranged to
> > bring in additional people. While the conventions are good activities,
> > they require a great deal of work, and overall may not be appealing to
> > a wide enough base of members to bring a good attendance. Perhaps a
> > major convention every other year with some mini-conventions or more
> > social activities such as Strasburg with 475, or 611 may bring in more
> > folks.
> > 3. What ways would you suggest that the Society could improve its
> > operations and the archive?
> > *The magazine needs to be brought back in house and produce 6-8 issues
> > in a year. To some members, only four issues seems to be disconnected
> > with the organization. The board needs to have some form of monthly
> > newsletter (electronic) that is emailed out to show the members that
> > the management is interested.Not a over large publication, but just
> > some communication that is emailed direct, not strictly a download. *
> > **
> > *Perhaps to increase interest in the archives might be have a featured
> > drawing or several drawings that have not been published previously
> > with a small description or explantion as to what makes it
> > interesting. That is a fairly simple task for someone to undertake. It
> > can be a wide variety of material, that applied to history or
> > modeling. Then a feature on the archives itself to make people more
> > aware of what can be seen.*
> > 4. What should the Society do, in your opinion to sustain its
> > membership base and continue to be a viable and an effective
> > organization?
> > Members need to feel welcome, perhaps some folks who are more outgoing
> > can be appointed as ?ambassadors? for lack of a better term, to make
> > new folks at the archive or any event welcome. Making the magazine
> > more than a total rehash of technical articles with is difficult when
> > people are not willing to write or have been discouraged in submitting
> > material.
> >
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> Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 16:13:05 -0500
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> Subject: Re: Need some branch line help!
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> For more detail, there are track chart snippets in the books that
> include the main line junction. Tug Junction went from a diamond and 2
> facing-point turnouts off of the EB main in the early 50's to one
> turnout by the 70's.
>
> Grant Carpenter
>
> On 4/28/2015 6:01 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> > This scan of the map on the Oct. 31, 1965, N&W operating timetable
> > should help identify the Pocahontas Division branch lines of that time
> > period and where they connected.
> > Gordon Hamilton
> >
> > Moderator:
> > http://nwhs.org/mailinglist/2015/20150428.PokeyDiv.jpg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > I am building a model railroad based on the Pocahontas
> > Division from Williamson to Bluefield. I want to include some of
> > the branch line traffic as well. I purchased all 5 of the books
> > that just came out but I could use a little help in figuring out
> > where exactly each one entered or left the Pokey in which
> > direction and which main line they came off of.
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> > Ray Russell Sr.
> >
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> Date: Sun, 03 May 2015 23:10:48 -0400
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> Subject: 611 Rods
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> I'd like to clear up some questions regarding the side rods on the 611.
>
> Some people have claimed that the rods for the 611 were fabricated in
> the shops in Roanoke, referring to an N&W film that shows rods being
> forged and machined in Roanoke Shops.
> Others stated that the rods for 611 were made by Timken, not the N&W's
> Roanoke Shops.
>
> So here's the story:
> The rods for the Class J were originally fabricated in Roanoke Shops as
> shown in the company film. Look closely and you will see that the
> intermediate rod between the number 2 and 3 drivers was actually 2 rods
> installed side-by-side. This caused the rods to be set out from the
> drivers and the need for long crank pins.
>
> According to Bud Jeffries' book "Giants of Steam", in 1952 a failure of
> the crank pin on the number 4 driver led to a redesign of the rods. The
> new lightweight rods only required one rod between the drivers, allowing
> the rods to be located closer to the wheels and shortening the
> crank-pins. This reduced the stresses seen by the crank pins and solved
> the problem.
>
> These new rods were fabricated from a lightweight alloy by Timken, not
> Roanoke Shops. The new rods were installed on numbers 600, 605, 610 and 611.
>
> So despite the N&W film showing rods being fabricated in Roanoke, the
> rods on 611 today were made by Timken.
>
> Ron Davis
>
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> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 08:33:24 -0400
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> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: 611 Rods
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> The rods for all Js (and other N&W Shop-built engines) were made in Roanoke
> Shop. Replacement rods for older N&W power were also made in Roanoke.
>
> Lightweight rods for the Js and last five As were made from an alloy
> furnished by Timken known as "high dynamic" alloy.
>
> They were all forged in Roanoke's Smith Shop and machined in the Machine
> Shop. The web on the side rods of the J was a quarter inch thick. The web
> on the J main rods was a half inch thick.
>
> Roanoke didn't need anybody's help in manufacturing side or main rods, or
> any valve gear parts not furnished by the Pilliod Company (the Baker
> mechanisms).
>
> Roanoke also made side rods for the Gainesville Midland 2-10-0 #206, which
> you can see today in Spencer Shops as Seaboard #544. Roanoke made two side
> rods for the Russian Decapod to replace two broken in service. They're easy
> to spot on the preserved engine.
>
> Ed King
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NW Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 11:10 PM
> To: NW Mailing List
> Subject: 611 Rods
>
> I'd like to clear up some questions regarding the side rods on the 611.
>
> Some people have claimed that the rods for the 611 were fabricated in
> the shops in Roanoke, referring to an N&W film that shows rods being
> forged and machined in Roanoke Shops.
> Others stated that the rods for 611 were made by Timken, not the N&W's
> Roanoke Shops.
>
> So here's the story:
> The rods for the Class J were originally fabricated in Roanoke Shops as
> shown in the company film. Look closely and you will see that the
> intermediate rod between the number 2 and 3 drivers was actually 2 rods
> installed side-by-side. This caused the rods to be set out from the
> drivers and the need for long crank pins.
>
> According to Bud Jeffries' book "Giants of Steam", in 1952 a failure of
> the crank pin on the number 4 driver led to a redesign of the rods. The
> new lightweight rods only required one rod between the drivers, allowing
> the rods to be located closer to the wheels and shortening the
> crank-pins. This reduced the stresses seen by the crank pins and solved
> the problem.
>
> These new rods were fabricated from a lightweight alloy by Timken, not
> Roanoke Shops. The new rods were installed on numbers 600, 605, 610 and 611.
>
> So despite the N&W film showing rods being fabricated in Roanoke, the
> rods on 611 today were made by Timken.
>
> Ron Davis
>
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> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 11:46:03 -0500
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> Subject: Re: Bristol Line
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> Regarding the Radford Division and employees, I only ever saw "Pulaski
> District" in writing (timetable), but heard "Bristol Line."
> "Christiansburg" and "Whitethorne" referred to dispatchers while the
> districts were referred to as "N&W side" and "Virginian side." Diesel
> engines were called "motors" and most often by enginemen, with a
> distinction made between EMD and GE. Terms "engine(s)" and "unit(s)"
> seemed more prevalent in that order as you got away from the track.
>
> As Chase points out, the term "motors" extends to the Pocahontas
> Division, but this is an unusual case of "usage shift." Those that
> worked in electrified territory referred to electrics as "motors" and
> even made the distinction between LC-1's and -2's. With a six-year
> interim between the end of electrification and diesels, no direct
> distinction was required, but most tended to refer to diesels by their
> series number as was the practice with steam classes. With no experience
> of the electrification, seems new hires gradually shifted usage to that
> of the Radford Division.
>
> As Frank mentions, term usage depended on the job, location, and era.
>
> Grant Carpenter
>
> On 4/12/2015 7:21 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> > They call them motors here on the NS in WV/VA too. I think the term
> > comes from when they ran the electrics. Not sure though.
> >
> >
> > -Chase Freeman
> > Grundy,VA
> >
> > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015
> > They call them 'motors' out here on the BN, drives me nuts! about like
> > for DP power, a set of 2 or more consists of a DP and 1 or more
> > 'Slaves'
> > the DP being the locomotive that is linked to the lead locomotive.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> > On 4/8/2015 07:07, NW Mailing List wrote:
> > > Some people now call Engines "units," and apparently do not
> > know any
> > > better.
> > >
> > > -- abram burnett
> > > (such a curmudgeon that he still uses the telegraph...)
> > >
> > On 4/8/2015 13:07, NW Mailing List wrote:
> > > Now that said, we all know that sometimes local usage may vary. And
> > > may vary over time. There are people here in Cleveland that still
> > > refer to "The Big Four Line". And there was an issue of Vintage
> > Rails
> > > that referred to the C&O's streamlined hudsons as "yellowbellies"--a
> > > term that no one in the COHS including retired C&O employees ever
> > > admitted to having heard before.
> > >
> > > Frank Bongiovanni
> > >
> > On 4/8/2015 07:07, NW Mailing List wrote:
> > "So, if you want to be a real, ontologically true-to-the-tradition
> > railroader, just refuse to use the term "Pulaski District." Call
> > it the
> > Bristol Line."
> >
> > -- abram burnett
> > (such a curmudgeon that he still uses the telegraph...)
> >
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