16.25’ – sorry couldn’t resist. Since he goes on to calculate cu.ft., I’d bet that the space has 2 different ceiling heights and he’s averaging to make an easier calculation.
Carl Woods
Richmond, VA
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This may be a stupid question, but in the station dimensions attached to Alex' e-mail, what does the following dimension mean:
13' +19.5'
2
Thanks for the reply
Paul Mandelkern
Winter Park, Florida
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We have ICC Valuation Notebooks at the Archives. They are labeled as to location and content and are generally structured around Division and State. As an example Series 16VA for the Clinch Valley Line runs from Graham Jct to Norton. There are 7 notebooks in the16VA series and they are individually labeled. Structure Volumes normally refer to bridges. Building volumes refer to Buildings. The one I have found to be useful are the structures and building volumes. There are about 2800 hundred page of hand written notes, filled out forms and some narratives. The Buildings Volume has 600 pages.
There are few sketches/drawings of structures in the volumes. What you get are dimensions, type of structure, age and some other data. Example attached.
The challenge to using the ICC books are finding the series you want. As an example Series 11WVA runs from Glen Lyn to Bluefield and it is the portion of the Radford Div that is in WV. Series 13WVA is labeled from Bluefield to Williamson, but does not include the approximate 5 mile segment of the railroad in Virginia between Bluefield, VA to beyond Flat Top Yard. That segment is include in Series 14VA which also includes Pocahontas.
There will be a story on ICC Valuations in 2015 in either eTAF or the Arrow depending on the length.
One of our projects at the Archives is to develop a high level index to the ICC Valuations. For example an index can be a simple as:
Series 16VA – Graham Jct to Norton – Structures Vol 2 of 2 – Branch Line Bridges – Approximately 200 pages
Series 16VA – Graham Jct to Norton – Buildings – Account Numbers 16, 17, 18, 20 and 27 – Approximately 600 pages
The first step is to simply determine what the Division/Location series applies to. Good job for a first time volunteer.
Alex Schust
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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 9:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Station drawings
To further Alex's statement, which are good, I've snipped out most of his comments.
On Nov 18, 2014, at 9:16 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
<<snip>>In all cases the structures were to be built according to plans and dimensions provided by N&W. <<snip>.This would lead us to believe that drawings existed at one time.
This is indeed the case. I acquired copies of these drawings about 40 years ago. Drawing M-382, Size and Capacities of Stations, dated August 8, 1916 is a single sheet comparison of station sizes, comparing various square foot size fo Waiting Rooms, Baggage Rooms, Express Rooms, compared to population from 1910. This is not an exhaustive list, by any means. But lists 23 locations, and the plan number to which they were built. Examples would be Waverly, Va, plan 9556 Rev, Martinsville, Y7427, Shawsville 9473, Wytheville Y-2263. Farmville Y-3569, etc.
Another drawing, M-390, Station Improvements for 1917, dated September 27, 1916, listing 17 different stations, a few plans are listed, but a column of "type" also tells a bit of a story, Marion (freight) is the Pulaski type, Narrows (pass and freight) is the Shawsville type, Dennis (pass and freight) is 2nd class type, measuring 24x76x16, plan L-145, as is Starkey and Price. The list goes on.
Both of the drawings M-382 and M-390 are likely to be part of the upcoming book on N&W stations by myself and Tim Hensley.
<<snip>>
Structural data can be obtained from the ICC Valuation Note Books. While they are not indexed, we generally know where to go to find pertinent information.
The ICC valuation files at the National Archives, while voluminous and detailed, seem to have very, very few drawings, some sketches, but are mostly raw data which takes a huge amount of time to go through.
Fortunately, when the N&W was originally built there were no communities and so therefore there was no required permitting process. However, we don’t know what was required when a station was rebuilt.
I suspect that most communities in the era really had minimal requirements and a very limited staff to enforce construction, even up into the 1930s, I'd suspect.
Ken Miller
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