NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 107, Issue 28

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Folks,
    Apparently my post did not get through to everyone yesterday.
I confirmed that the 4-6-2 going west through Batavia was in fact 563.
I had a shot in the films of 578 to compare with, along with the notes  
others
had mentioned.  So mystery solved....scrapped in Cincinnati.
Thanks,
Greg Scholl

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> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 11:10:03 -0400

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> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

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> Jim,

>

> A couple of points here.  The large ledger that your father kept at  

> MP states that the 547 was dismanthled at Roanoke 1951, while the  

> 563 and 578 were RETIRED at Bluefield in December 1958.  These two  

> E-2s were the only one's left after 1955.  As was common practice  

> when steam was being retired for dieselization, the ledger lists  

> where the engine was retired but not where scrapped.  In Prince's  

> book, he lists many locomotives that were sold for scrapping and the  

> name of the scrapper.  But the largest number were either scrapped  

> at Roanoke or Portsmouth in the company shops.  The 563 is not  

> listed as being sold to a scrapper by Prince.

>

> For all who are conjecturing about the 563 being scrapped in  

> Cincinnati, I would caution those to rely on documentation to  

> confirm that.  It is very possible that the 563 was scrapped in  

> Portsmouth unless adequate documentaiton shows definitively otherwise.

>

> Bud Jeffries

>  ----- Original Message -----

>  From: NW Mailing List

>  To: NW Mailing List

>  Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:47 PM

>  Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>

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>  According to Prince, 547 was "Dism." 4-1951

>

>

>  Jim Nichols

>

>  From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>  To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>  Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 7:18 PM

>  Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>

>

>

>    What does Bixby's data or any other source say about when and/or  

> where E2b Pacific # 547 was scrapped?

>    Thanks

>    Dave Gooding

>

>

>    ----- Original Message -----

>    From: NW Mailing List

>    To: NW Mailing List

>    Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 8:47 PM

>    Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>

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>    D.J. Joseph  Company in Cincinnati cut up locomotives for the N&W

>    563 could have been your loco. but  Bixby's data says Scraped  

> Roanoke 12/58

>

>

>    Larry Evans

>    Kenova, WV

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>    there's the Rolling Stones"  Keith Richards

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>    On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:14 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org 

> > wrote:

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>      According to my father's notes, 563 was retired 12-58. I have  

> no other information, so don't know where the scrapper was; but most  

> engines that went west ended up at Friedmans Scrap Yard in  

> Portsmouth. Why one would go west through Batavia is a mystery. BTW:  

> 563 and 578 were the last ones (by a long shot).

>

>

>      Jim Nichols

>

>      From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>      To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

>      Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 3:18 PM

>      Subject: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>

>

>      Between 1958-60 how many N&W pacifics would have been left to  

> scrap.

>      We have a movie clip of one coming through Batavia headed west,  

> presumably to scrap.

>      However, 578 went to Columbus.  As I recall back in 1957 we  

> rode that trip from Bluefield with

>      563 and 578, so I was wondering if those were the last two and  

> perhaps the one we saw was 563?

>      Does anyone know where these pacifics were in fact scrapped,  

> and did 578 travel on the Peavine(unlikely)?

>      Greg Scholl

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> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:10:20 -0400

> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

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> Bud

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> You make an excellent point, but just to clarify, I think you mean  

> most of the E2s were scrapped at Roanoke or Portsmouth, is that  

> correct?

>

> Since the majority of the remaining E2s occurred over a year or so,  

> it was done at the Shops. It appears to me, that with the mass  

> retirements of steam beginning in 1958, virtually all, if not all,  

> was done by outside concerns. I wonder if that was, to use today's  

> term, "outsourced" to allow the reduction in Shop forces. I'd  

> suspect that selling the stuff outside, allowing for a reduction in  

> the employees and those related costs, allowed the bottom line to  

> look better for Stuart T, and company.

>

> In addition the volume of stuff to be scrapped would have kept the  

> Shops busy for several years/

>

> I'll also note that the vast majority of Prince's roster data was  

> compiled by Art Bixby. The typewritten roster sheets in the book are  

> directly from Bixby's typed originals. I think there was some record  

> of where stuff was scrapped, but by far it was incomplete.

>

> Personally, I'd not be surprised that 563 would have been sold to DJ  

> Joesph and Sons at Cincinnati, but again, I've never seen a record  

> of such.

>

> Ken Miller

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> On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:10 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:

>

>> Jim,

>>

>> A couple of points here.  The large ledger that your father kept at  

>> MP states that the 547 was dismanthled at Roanoke 1951, while the  

>> 563 and 578 were RETIRED at Bluefield in December 1958.  These two  

>> E-2s were the only one's left after 1955.  As was common practice  

>> when steam was being retired for dieselization, the ledger lists  

>> where the engine was retired but not where scrapped.  In Prince's  

>> book, he lists many locomotives that were sold for scrapping and  

>> the name of the scrapper.  But the largest number were either  

>> scrapped at Roanoke or Portsmouth in the company shops.  The 563 is  

>> not listed as being sold to a scrapper by Prince.

>>

>> For all who are conjecturing about the 563 being scrapped in  

>> Cincinnati, I would caution those to rely on documentation to  

>> confirm that.  It is very possible that the 563 was scrapped in  

>> Portsmouth unless adequate documentaiton shows definitively  

>> otherwise.

>>

>> Bud Jeffries

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: NW Mailing List

>> To: NW Mailing List

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:47 PM

>> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>>

>> According to Prince, 547 was "Dism." 4-1951

>>

>> Jim Nichols

>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 7:18 PM

>> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>>

>> What does Bixby's data or any other source say about when and/or  

>> where E2b Pacific # 547 was scrapped?

>> Thanks

>> Dave Gooding

>>

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: NW Mailing List

>> To: NW Mailing List

>> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 8:47 PM

>> Subject: Re: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>>

>> D.J. Joseph  Company in Cincinnati cut up locomotives for the N&W

>> 563 could have been your loco. but  Bixby's data says Scraped  

>> Roanoke 12/58

>>

>> Larry Evans

>> Kenova, WV

>>

>> "There's the sun, there's the moon, there's the air we breathe, and

>> there's the Rolling Stones"  Keith Richards

>>

>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:14 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing- 

>> list at nwhs.org> wrote:

>>

>>> According to my father's notes, 563 was retired 12-58. I have no  

>>> other information, so don't know where the scrapper was; but most  

>>> engines that went west ended up at Friedmans Scrap Yard in  

>>> Portsmouth. Why one would go west through Batavia is a mystery.  

>>> BTW: 563 and 578 were the last ones (by a long shot).

>>>

>>> Jim Nichols

>>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>>> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

>>> Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 3:18 PM

>>> Subject: 500 Series Pacific's scrapping

>>>

>>> Between 1958-60 how many N&W pacifics would have been left to scrap.

>>> We have a movie clip of one coming through Batavia headed west,  

>>> presumably to scrap.

>>> However, 578 went to Columbus.  As I recall back in 1957 we rode  

>>> that trip from Bluefield with

>>> 563 and 578, so I was wondering if those were the last two and  

>>> perhaps the one we saw was 563?

>>> Does anyone know where these pacifics were in fact scrapped, and  

>>> did 578 travel on the Peavine(unlikely)?

>>> Greg Scholl

>>>

>>

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