500 Series Pacific's scrapping

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Fri Apr 11 14:41:51 EDT 2014

Ken,

I don't disagree with you. The records I have are pretty specific when a locomotive is "dismantled at Roanoke Shops" and gives a date. With the wholesale retirement of steam in 1958-60, the MP records usually show "retired at Crewe" etc. with a date. But there is a tendency to say scrapped at Cincinnati by DJ Joseph an Sons with no written record to justify that statement. If there is a photo of it being scrapped at a particular place outside the N&W, that is compelling evidence that it occurred there. Otherwise I just want to caution about making a definitive statement when it cannot be corroborated.

Thanks for talking about it. Hope to see you soon.

Bud
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Bud


You make an excellent point, but just to clarify, I think you mean most of the E2s were scrapped at Roanoke or Portsmouth, is that correct?


Since the majority of the remaining E2s occurred over a year or so, it was done at the Shops. It appears to me, that with the mass retirements of steam beginning in 1958, virtually all, if not all, was done by outside concerns. I wonder if that was, to use today's term, "outsourced" to allow the reduction in Shop forces. I'd suspect that selling the stuff outside, allowing for a reduction in the employees and those related costs, allowed the bottom line to look better for Stuart T, and company.


In addition the volume of stuff to be scrapped would have kept the Shops busy for several years/


I'll also note that the vast majority of Prince's roster data was compiled by Art Bixby. The typewritten roster sheets in the book are directly from Bixby's typed originals. I think there was some record of where stuff was scrapped, but by far it was incomplete.


Personally, I'd not be surprised that 563 would have been sold to DJ Joesph and Sons at Cincinnati, but again, I've never seen a record of such.


Ken Miller


On Apr 11, 2014, at 11:10 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:


Jim,

A couple of points here. The large ledger that your father kept at MP states that the 547 was dismanthled at Roanoke 1951, while the 563 and 578 were RETIRED at Bluefield in December 1958. These two E-2s were the only one's left after 1955. As was common practice when steam was being retired for dieselization, the ledger lists where the engine was retired but not where scrapped. In Prince's book, he lists many locomotives that were sold for scrapping and the name of the scrapper. But the largest number were either scrapped at Roanoke or Portsmouth in the company shops. The 563 is not listed as being sold to a scrapper by Prince.

For all who are conjecturing about the 563 being scrapped in Cincinnati, I would caution those to rely on documentation to confirm that. It is very possible that the 563 was scrapped in Portsmouth unless adequate documentaiton shows definitively otherwise.

Bud Jeffries
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According to Prince, 547 was "Dism." 4-1951


Jim Nichols

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What does Bixby's data or any other source say about when and/or where E2b Pacific # 547 was scrapped?
Thanks
Dave Gooding


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D.J. Joseph Company in Cincinnati cut up locomotives for the N&W
563 could have been your loco. but Bixby's data says Scraped Roanoke 12/58


Larry Evans
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On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:14 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:


According to my father's notes, 563 was retired 12-58. I have no other information, so don't know where the scrapper was; but most engines that went west ended up at Friedmans Scrap Yard in Portsmouth. Why one would go west through Batavia is a mystery. BTW: 563 and 578 were the last ones (by a long shot).


Jim Nichols

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Between 1958-60 how many N&W pacifics would have been left to scrap.
We have a movie clip of one coming through Batavia headed west, presumably to scrap.
However, 578 went to Columbus. As I recall back in 1957 we rode that trip from Bluefield with
563 and 578, so I was wondering if those were the last two and perhaps the one we saw was 563?
Does anyone know where these pacifics were in fact scrapped, and did 578 travel on the Peavine(unlikely)?
Greg Scholl



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