Class J's at Hagerstown

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Sun Jan 5 17:21:49 EST 2014

Not very long ago, I commented on a thread regarding a train record from Shenandoah found by Mason Cooper, which had a record of an extra run by 606. My speculation is that for some reason, the power on the northbound #2 wasn't available, and 606 was called in to fill in on the run. The extra run may be her ferry run southbound. There appears to be no further details on the train sheet. (Mason, please feel free to comment on this.) I have never heard of any other J running on the Shenandoah Division, except for an excursion run made by 611 from Roanoke to Glasgow in 1994. For the record, 1218 had also made this same run in excursion service, but A's did run on this division as well, though rarely. I hope that more train sheets turn up so the appearance of these two classes on the division can be more closely documented.
Lois J.Ponton
N&W steam historian

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From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at>
Date:01/05/2014 5:10 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at>
Subject: Re: Class J's at Hagerstown

J-class could and lead go but only with approval of Roadforman. There is
evidence that a J made at least one round trip Roanoke-Sshenandoah. I
can't remember the details though.

Nathan Simmons
trainman51 at

On 1/4/2014 22:52, NW Mailing List wrote:

> I think I read on this list that a J was run as a test on the

> Shenandoah Valley line once or twice but was not used otherwise. That

> said, their near look-alike twins, the streamlined "K's" could and

> regularly did as did a few non-streamlined K class. The biggest

> pre-requisite was having the proper cab controls for the Valley line

> was equipped with those types of controls and only those engines could

> go, or at least, only in the lead. And the J's did not have the

> appropriate controls.


> I think Mason's SV book covers those details.


> Bob Cohen




> Mr. Claude Dixon, retired Conrail Road Foreman of Engines at

> Washington, DC, in a private email proposed the following interesting

> answer to my question:


> ========

> I can only suggest that the K Class 4-8-2s were usually used on the

> Roanoke-Hagerstown trains but at times a Class J has been used on

> these trains. Problem is, What do you do if there's a wreck on the N&W

> line between Shenandoah Jct. and Hagerstown? You divert to the B&O at

> Shenandoah Jct. in an eastward direction, and then either shove west

> or have an engine waiting to pull the N&W passenger train westbound to

> Martinsburg, WV, where it could then pull eastbound onto the PRR/Cumbo

> connection and continue on to Hagerstown, MD under Special Instruction

> 1160-B1 if the train's equipment is applicable. It must have happened.

> The key might be to check B&O employee TTs of the period to see if

> anything remotely similar was in effect for the B&O. This might have

> happened or had the possibility of happening, hence a proactive stance.

> ========


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