Lookking for advice on an interesting segment to model

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There is a hand-drawn map of Norton Yard and related facilities as they 
existed around 1956 in "The Arrow," Vol. 28, No. 4 (Oct-Nov-Dec 2012), pages 
26-27, which might be of help to you.

Louis Newton

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>   1. Re: Rural Retreat Depot (NW Mailing List)

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>   3. RE: Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model

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> Many thanks Alex for the pointer. The piece doesn't say at what date / 

> year the station closed to passenger / railway use though.

>

> Dominic

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> I walked 12 miles for the Pirate Castle for the 4th time on June 22nd - 

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>>The history of the Rural Retreat Depot was published in the NWHS 

>>electronic Talk Among Friends (eTAF) in the April ?May-June issue. Go to 

>>www.nwhs.org. Click on eTAF online newsletter at upper left.

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>>Alex Schust

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> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:12:18 -0400

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> I am trying to find out how many might be attending the Mini convention on 

> Saturday October 5th in Winston Salem with the SRHA?  As a host I want to 

> extend an open invitation to those interested.  The location is about half 

> a mile from the N&W yard still used by NS, this is the end of the Virginia 

> Division.  There are still sights of the N&W around town and in Rural Hall 

> which is host to three cabs and two boxcars.  Walkertown still has its 

> Freight station which in home to some NS MOW stockpiles.  All CPL's have 

> been replaced by the newer 'hoods".

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> We will be hosted in the Forsyth Count AG building at 1450 Fairchild Drive 

> off North Liberty Street.  Please try to attend if possible!

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> James Wall

> Rural Hall, NC

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> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:24:43 -0400

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> Subject: RE: Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model

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> Carl

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> I have a NW company facilities drawings book, and Norton only has car 

> repair capacity, which is one track and a couple of un connected sections 

> of straight track used for wheel storage. All diesels on the CV were 

> serviced in Bluefield.

>

> Ron's first hand experiences and photography have created several really 

> informative books on the eegion. Hopefully he will write a book on the 

> N&W's operations along the CV. It's a piece of text we are missing.

>

> Regards,

> Russ

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> Subject: RE: Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model

> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:32:15 -0400

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> Thanks Russ, The link to the Flannery photos is an absolute gold mine. 

> I?ve got Ron?s book ?L&N in the Appalachians?. I?ve been studying the 

> Norton satellite images on Google Maps.  I?m not able to locate any diesel 

> service facilities.  Were there none there? From: 

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> Subject: RE: Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model Carl;

>

> I would second Paul's recommendation of the Clinch Valley, at least 

> between St. Paul and Norton, as I am going to model that section, plus on 

> westward to Appalachia & Andover on the former Interstate. In addition to 

> coal, the L&N had run-through trains, including at least two daily 

> freights that came through Hagan's Switchback and were interchanged to the 

> Clinchfield via St. Paul. The N&W and the Interstate ran parallel to each 

> other and crossed each other twice between Norton and Tacoma, as well as 

> both served the large Paramount Coal complex at Ramsey, VA. Between Tacoma 

> and Coeburn, the Interstate turned south along the Guest River and went on 

> to the Clinchfield's Miller Yard. So you would be able to run Southern 

> coal and freights in the background as well.

>

> As far as industries on that end of the line you have at least the 

> following list on the N&W:

>

> Carbo - AEP Power Plant - coal in, loaded 2 bay 100T cement hoppers out 

> (for removal of fly ash)

> St. Paul - there is a ready-mix concrete plant (crushed stone, sand and 

> cement)

> St. Paul - building construction supply house (brick / CMU in boxcars, 

> lumber on flats & center beams)

> Russell - Flood Loader

> Coeburn / Big Toms Crk Br - two loading locations, ammonium nitrate plant

> There are ~6 main line load outs on the N&W and another 4 mainline load 

> outs on the Interstate between Coeburn and Norton.

> Norton - There used to be a ready mix concrete plant (IIRC), a Texaco Oil 

> distribution center and two freight houses. There also used to be a team 

> track for the Caterpillar dealer and the Pepsi Cola facility used to get 

> serviced as well, though Pepsi was on the Interstate.

>

> Ed Wolfe has written three wonderful books about the Interstate and Ron 

> Flannery has written a couple of books on the L&N's operations in the 

> region, focusing on the L&N Cumberland Sub, those books in addition to Dan 

> Borques Appalachian Railroads website that Paul mentioned should be 

> excellent resources for you. You may also want to look up Ron Flannery on 

> RR Pictures.net as he has a bunch of period photos on that website. You 

> can sort by photographer to help filter your search down.

>

> While I am modeling the area myself, I do not have a track plan to share 

> as my wife and I are working toward building a new basement in the next 

> two years.

>

> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly.

>

> Regards,

> Russ Goodwin

> Buford, GA

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> Subject: RE: Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model

> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:58:57 +0000

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> Carl- I am modeling the Clinch Valley District in N-scale, and I think you 

> will find it a great section of the N&W to model. Depending on your space 

> restrictions, I suggest you consider modeling  Norton to St. Paul/Boody or 

> Norton to Richlands. Norton was the interchange with the L&N and the 

> Interstate/Southern which will give you a variety of railroads and rolling 

> stock to model. During the time period you are interested in the L&N had 

> trackage rights over the CV from Norton to St. Paul so that the L&N could 

> interchange coal trains with the Clinchfield at Castle (just south of St. 

> Paul on the Clinchfield).  At Boody (just east of St. Paul) the N&W 

> interchanged with the Clinchfield. Between St. Paul and Coeburn are a 

> series of tunnels and trestles that would be great to model. East from St. 

> Paul there was a small yard and the AEP power plant at Carbo,  and 

> Richlands had a small yard and some industries to switch. Of course there 

> were numerous coal tipples and loaders along th

> e CV. To get started I suggest you take a look at the three part series on 

> the CV that Bucky Wilson and I published in  The Arrow in 2004 (volumes 

> 20-2; 20-3; and 20-4), and I published  an article about Richlands in the 

> January-March, 2011 edition of The Arrow (volume2 7-1). (Sorry for the 

> personal plug. )  Official Guides and N&W employee timetables show the 

> through freight schedules on the CV for any time period you are interested 

> in.   There are some HO track plans based on the CV at the Appalachian 

> Railroad Modeling website: www.appalachianrailroadmodeling.com.  Hope that 

> this helps.  Paul MandelkernWinter Park, Florida    From: 

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> Subject: Looking for advice on an interesting segment to model I know this 

> title looks ?model? based, but what I?m after is opinions on an 

> interesting piece of the railroad from the folks that have been there and 

> understand the operations. I was planning to model the Radford Division 

> from Narrows to Bluefield in N-scale, but the more I look at N-scale 

> models the less convinced I am that they are big enough for me to work 

> with.  Since the eyes will only be getting worse from here, I?m going back 

> to HO scale. A major yard and double track main won?t fit my space in HO 

> so I need to pick a new location ? not to mention the New River which 

> would eat up a huge chunk of the real estate on even a N-scale layout. 

> I?m looking for something in the VA/WV mountains, single track, nice 

> mountain scenery, a minor yard and a decent traffic rate.  I?m interested 

> in the early 70?s just before the N&W switched to buying low hood diesels. 

> Right now I?m leaning toward the Clinch Valley  District

> .  My thinking is that the connections at the southern end (or is it 

> western?) will give me an excuse to mix in a little variety rather than 

> running 100% coal. Any info on what traffic patterns looked like on the 

> Clinch Valley in the 70?s would be very helpful.  I?m also open to advice 

> on a branch that might be more interesting to model. Thanks Carl Woods 

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