Big Stony RR ( Potts Valley Branch)
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Some information re N&W's Potts Valley Branch can be found in RAILS
REMEMBERED, Vol. 3, pp. 568-571, including a map showing four of the largest
trestles on the line.
The line was served by daily except Sunday 3rd Class mixed trains Nos. 103
and 104, which operated out of Ripplemead, where a 60-foot turntable was
located. Radford Division ETT No. 28, effective Nov. 20, 1927, lists a
speed limit of 20 MPH on the branch, except 10 MPH for Class W engines
(apparently standard power on the line) over Bridges 2404, 2408, 2412 and
2414, which are NOT the ones shown on the map on p. 571.
Louis Newton
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> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:22:30 -0400
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> After some good H/U's t I was able to catch the NS 1069 leading train #814
> at New Bohemia. I'm thinking its the maiden revenue run after setup in
> Roanoke. Watch the whole video because when 814 clears on Main #1 V18 is
> right behind him on main #2!!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfupkXmB6A8&feature=youtu.be
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> http://www.pbase.com/waltrail/image/144719191
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> Walter Gay
> waltrail1 at verizon.net
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> Subject: Big Stoney RR (Potts Valley Branch)
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> Has anyone done a decent map (hopefully in Google Earth) of the Big Stoney
> RR, the Interior & West Virginia RR and the Virginia & Potts Creek RR, all
> of which were collectively known as the N&W's Potts Valley Branch ?
>
>
>
> Anyone know how the branch was worked?? Probably with an engine and crew
> out of Narrows?? What classes of engines were used and where were they
> sent for boiler wash and maintenance (Radford?)?? One source says coal was
> available at Waiteville, but where were the water tanks?
>
>
>
> The fascinating part of the Big Stoney equation has to be the Tri-State
> [Lumber Co ?] operation around Waiteville.? Sources indicate the Tri-State
> line crossed Potts Mountain using geared engines plus an incline havine a
> whopping 50% grade!
>
>
>
> Can anyone send GPS coordinates for this incli ne??? I can't find?it on
> the satellite imagery. And how about coordinates for the whopping Big
> Shepard Trestle on the Potts Valley Branch, 600' long and 100' high and
> made from 400,000 board feet of timber??
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> -- abram burnett
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> I found a small part of the Tri-State [Lumber Co.] incline over?Potts
> Mountain incline on the 1932 USGS Topo, Waitville quadrangle.? It was
> enough to give me a starting point for the west slope of the incline.?
> Unfortunately the 1932 Topo survey did not include the western portion of
> Craig Co., Va, so there is no map of the east slope of the incline.
>
> ?
>
> The west end of the Potts Mtn incline was approx 0.2 miles WSE of
> Waiteville, at Lat 34.4711 Long -80.8184.? The crest of the incline, atop
> Potts Mtn, was at about Lat 37.45867 Long -80.406474.? From the foot of
> the incline to the top of the mountain was a distance of approx 5878 feet,
> with an elevation disparity of about 712 feet.
>
> ?
>
> The incline on the east slope of Potts Mountain is not?distinguishable on
> the satellite imagery.
>
> ?
>
> Still looking for the Big Shepherd Trestle.? None of the Topo quads
> between 1922 and the 1950s show any reference to a Big Shepherd
> Creek/whatever in this area.
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> ?
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> -- abram burnett
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> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: Big Stoney RR (Potts Valley Branch)
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> Abram,
>
> Are you familiar with the article on the Potts Valley line in Vol. 18, No.
> 4 of The Arrow for July/August 2002? This is a well-researched, detailed
> article which includes info on the bridges around Waiteville and the Tri
> States narrow-gauge incline over Potts Mt. The N&W line in the vicinity
> of Waiteville is shown on a topo map.
>
> For instance the article states that the largest of the four bridge near
> Waiteville was No. 2426 (no mention of Big Shepard Trestle) over Ray Fork
> at 109 feet high and 800 feet long. The Tri-State narrow-gauge incline
> fed logs to the N&W at Ray Siding, Elevation 2450 ft., from the summit on
> Potts Mt. at an elevation of more than 2900. A narrow gauge Shay brought
> log cars to the base of the incline in Johns Creek Valley on the Virginia
> side of Potts Mt. where the loaded cars were uncoupled and the cable from
> the steam winch at the top of the mountain attached. The lumber cars were
> then winched up the mountain on a grade reaching 50% in places. After
> reaching the top, the cars were lowered down the West Virginia
> mountainside to Ray where the lumber was transloaded to N&W standard gauge
> cars.
>
> Gordon Hamilton
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>
> Has anyone done a decent map (hopefully in Google Earth) of the Big
> Stoney RR, the Interior & West Virginia RR and the Virginia & Potts Creek
> RR, all of which were collectively known as the N&W's Potts Valley Branch
> ?
>
>
>
> Anyone know how the branch was worked? Probably with an engine and crew
> out of Narrows? What classes of engines were used and where were they
> sent for boiler wash and maintenance (Radford?)? One source says coal was
> available at Waiteville, but where were the water tanks?
>
>
>
> The fascinating part of the Big Stoney equation has to be the Tri-State
> [Lumber Co ?] operation around Waiteville. Sources indicate the Tri-State
> line crossed Potts Mountain using geared engines plus an incline havine a
> whopping 50% grade!
>
>
>
> Can anyone send GPS coordinates for this incline? I can't find it on
> the satellite imagery. And how about coordinates for the whopping Big
> Shepard Trestle on the Potts Valley Branch, 600' long and 100' high and
> made from 400,000 board feet of timber?
>
>
> -- abram burnett
>
>
>
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> Nice steady, sharp video. But talk about watching a conveyor belt . . .
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> On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:22 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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>> After some good H/U's t I was able to catch the NS 1069 leading train
>> #814 at New Bohemia. I'm thinking its the maiden revenue run after setup
>> in Roanoke. Watch the whole video because when 814 clears on Main #1 V18
>> is right behind him on main #2!!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfupkXmB6A8&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/waltrail/image/144719191
>>
>> Walter Gay
>> waltrail1 at verizon.net
>>
>>
>>
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