Double headed J's

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For a picture of double headed J's handling Gen. Eisenhower's campaign train 
on September 26, 1952, please see RAILS REMEMBERED, Volume 3, p. 664.  The 
600 and 604 handled the train from Winston-Salem to Roanoke, and the 612 and 
613 from Roanoke to Petersburg.

A few days earlier, the 611 and 613 had handled the train from Columbus to 
Kenova (p. 666).

Louis Newton

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> The Cincinnati RR Club has a single photo of two J's double-heading the

> ARROW past Clare yard.  Based  on my research, I have photos of two K-2's,

> two J's, A and J and A and K-2 eastbound out of Cincinnati.   The schedule

> was set up so that an engine arriving at CUT could be serviced and set off

> as protection power for the next passenger train going east.  This engine

> would then power the next train east.

>

>

>

> There are no known photos of doubling passenger trains westbound to

> Cincinnati; this would be quite unlikely as the 'normal' train consist of

> the Pocahontas, Arrow or Cavalier wouldn't require this- although there 

> were

> a bunch of second sections of the Cavalier in heavy mail times, 

> particularly

> eastward.   The trains of the double-headed eastbound trains is NEVER more

> than that which a single engine could handle with ease.

>

>

>

> It would seem that N&W power dispatching was well aware of the reliability

> of the J's and rebuilt K-2's so that they would send the protection power

> engine back east early in a double-head move.

>

> Class A's were common on the Peavine as they were the power for the time

> freights 85/86, 77/78 and lots of the 94/99 trains as indicated by 

> employee

> time book records with Y-5's mostly holding down the coal extras and many 

> of

> the heavy freights on 94/99.  It is not known if the returned  Class A

> engines were brought over as freight engines and doubled on to the 

> passenger

> train eastward or were brought into CUT as passenger power.  One photo I

> have shows an A and a J at the CUT platforms.

>

>

>

> I cannot speak as to the power on baseball specials or any other special

> train in or out of CUT.

>

>

>

> I would propose that the double-headed passenger trains lost one engine at

> Portsmouth, Ohio upon its arrival.

>

>

>

> Gary Rolih

>

> Cincinnati

>

>

>

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>

>

> I believe the 1952 campaign train of Dwight Eisenhower used double headed

> J's from Winston-Salem to Roanoke, Lynchburg, and beyond.

>

>

>

>

>

>       Ray Smoot

>

>

>

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>

>

> Hi Bob

>

>

>

> Class Js running together was not what I'd consider a common occurrence. 

> The

> only consistent occasions that I've found were special trains, usually

> carrying a US President or candidate. There was an occasional occurrence,

> but for the most part during normal operations, no. Rarely were Js

> doubleheader in any case, I suspect that the photos you are thinking of

> Class K2/K2a with freight locomotives. Those cases, were generally a break

> in run after shopping, or simply moving power to return it to its home

> terminal.

>

>

>

> It is your railroad, run whatever you like!

>

>

>

> Ken Miller

>

>

>

> On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:03 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

>  I've seen many photos of J's double headed with other types of 

> locomotives

> but did the N&W ever run 2 J's together. I'm an N scale modeler and would

> love to run two of them together, I think it would look great. Thanks in

> advance.

>

>

>

> Bob Parsons

>

> Indianapolis

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> Great!!...now I have documented justification to double head my J's 

> without incurring the withering gaze of my fellow NTRAK clubmembers. My 

> next challenge is to explain why the two J's, with Arrow in tow, are 

> crossing the liftbridge in front of the harbor on my Narragansett, 

> Fitchburg & Boston module. many thanks to all who responded to and lent 

> your knowledge to my question.

>

> Bob Parsons

>

>

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>  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:19 PM

>  Subject: RE: Double headed J's?

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>

>  The Cincinnati RR Club has a single photo of two J's double-heading the 

> ARROW past Clare yard.  Based  on my research, I have photos of two K-2's, 

> two J's, A and J and A and K-2 eastbound out of Cincinnati.   The schedule 

> was set up so that an engine arriving at CUT could be serviced and set off 

> as protection power for the next passenger train going east.  This engine 

> would then power the next train east.

>

>

>

>  There are no known photos of doubling passenger trains westbound to 

> Cincinnati; this would be quite unlikely as the 'normal' train consist of 

> the Pocahontas, Arrow or Cavalier wouldn't require this- although there 

> were a bunch of second sections of the Cavalier in heavy mail times, 

> particularly eastward.   The trains of the double-headed eastbound trains 

> is NEVER more than that which a single engine could handle with ease.

>

>

>

>  It would seem that N&W power dispatching was well aware of the 

> reliability of the J's and rebuilt K-2's so that they would send the 

> protection power engine back east early in a double-head move.

>

>  Class A's were common on the Peavine as they were the power for the time 

> freights 85/86, 77/78 and lots of the 94/99 trains as indicated by 

> employee time book records with Y-5's mostly holding down the coal extras 

> and many of the heavy freights on 94/99.  It is not known if the returned 

> Class A engines were brought over as freight engines and doubled on to the 

> passenger train eastward or were brought into CUT as passenger power.  One 

> photo I have shows an A and a J at the CUT platforms.

>

>

>

>  I cannot speak as to the power on baseball specials or any other special 

> train in or out of CUT.

>

>

>

>  I would propose that the double-headed passenger trains lost one engine 

> at Portsmouth, Ohio upon its arrival.

>

>

>

>  Gary Rolih

>

>  Cincinnati

>

>

>

>  From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org 

> [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List

>  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:18 AM

>  To: 'NW Mailing List'

>  Subject: RE: Double headed J's?

>

>

>

>  I believe the 1952 campaign train of Dwight Eisenhower used double headed 

> J's from Winston-Salem to Roanoke, Lynchburg, and beyond.

>

>

>

>

>

>         Ray Smoot

>

>

>

>  From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org 

> [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List

>  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:55 AM

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>  Subject: Re: Double headed J's?

>

>

>

>  Hi Bob

>

>

>

>  Class Js running together was not what I'd consider a common occurrence. 

> The only consistent occasions that I've found were special trains, usually 

> carrying a US President or candidate. There was an occasional occurrence, 

> but for the most part during normal operations, no. Rarely were Js 

> doubleheader in any case, I suspect that the photos you are thinking of 

> Class K2/K2a with freight locomotives. Those cases, were generally a break 

> in run after shopping, or simply moving power to return it to its home 

> terminal.

>

>

>

>  It is your railroad, run whatever you like!

>

>

>

>  Ken Miller

>

>

>

>  On Feb 3, 2012, at 9:03 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:

>

>

>

>  Hello,

>

>    I've seen many photos of J's double headed with other types of 

> locomotives but did the N&W ever run 2 J's together. I'm an N scale 

> modeler and would love to run two of them together, I think it would look 

> great. Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

>  Bob Parsons

>

>  Indianapolis

>

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