NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 72, Issue 29 Item 1 1912 weather

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Al,

The first mention of thawing sheds in the N&W Annual Reports is in the 1951 Annual Report which states that the sheds were installed in that year for Lamberts Point Pier 4 (now long gone). The 1962 Annual Report states that thawing sheds accommodating 16 cars were provided for the then new Pier 6.

The N&W thawing sheds were designed to minimize damage to the hopper cars by using convection heating (controlled low flames below the cars) or infra-red radiant heating. Some customers' unloading facilities were not so considerate. I remember hearing about a steel mill in Ohio that would build roaring fires under the cars, damaging steel sheets and particularly destroying journal bearings, brake slack adjusters, air brake valves. etc.

Gordon Hamilton
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It seems that Tidewater was listed as an "all-weather port area" meaning that it didn't freeze up . . . . just the coal in the cars it appears.



It would be interesting to see how they would quick-thaw composite wooden-uppers gondola cars with a torch. I would guess they still had a mixture of wooden, composit-wooden and all steel cars being dumpered in 1912? . . . or did all the composit-gons stay up in Ohio for dumping in Toledo?



When did they put in service a "thawinging facility" at Lamberts Point? . . . if ever?



Al Kresse

Romeo, Michigan





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1. N&W in 1912--Weather (NW Mailing List)
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
January 18, 1912

HELPS CAR SITUATION
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Several Days of Warm Weather Will Bring Supply Back to Normal

Three days of warm weather such as was experienced in this section yesterday, will bring the car situation back to a normal condition, according to a man connected with the railroad company. Already the connections at Columbus have shown an ability to relieve the congested condition by taking cars and by delivering empties which are needed in the field. At Lambert's Point a new condition presents itself. It appears that the coal has frozen in the cars and it will take two or three days of weather ranging around forty degrees to thaw the coal out sufficiently to permit of dumping. There are several boats now waiting for cargoes and others will begin to show up as soon as the weather modifies. It appears that the warm spell which struck this city yesterday is general and had a day's start in the west.
In the coal field, it appears, some of the coal companies during the cold spell experienced trouble in getting men to work at the tipples because of the cold. Men were willing to mine coal but they did not like to brave the unusual weather at the tipple with the result that loading was somewhat affected in that way.
The only danger which faces the section now is the possibility of a heavy rain which might send the snow rushing down the hillsides in a torrent of water, which might bring on serious conditions for a day or two. There is more snow on the ground now than there had been for several years.
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:45:24 -0400

Rick Morrison said:

"I know this photo, and it's curious that the wagon load of mail is in the
photo at 1:00 am with B&O train 10 not stopping there until 4:35 am. Did the PO Dept have a policy about mail sitting unattended for several hours? The last B&O eastbound trains which made evening stops at Shenandoah Junction were number 11 and number 32 which ran close to each other about 10:00 pm. Number 32 was all mail and express, and was not in the public timetable. B&O train 17 westbound had a working RPO and it stopped at the Jct about 10:30 pm. As for N&W train 2 facing "east", it was on the station lead. Once it backed out to the main, it was in fact headed north.

Link carefully posed props in his photos. I would not rule out that the
position of the mail cart having something to do with that. The station at Shenandoah Jct had an enclosed shed on the east end of the station for
parking loaded express/mail wagons. There was a considerable amount of US
Mail and REA express which changed hands there each day between the two
railroads.


August 16, 2011

Good afteroon, Rick:

The operative word in your comment is "unattended." If a station was a continuous office so that there was someone on duty, the mail was considered as attended. In urban locations, a transfer clerk or mail porter would probably have visual sight of the platform and load. At rural locations, the situation may have been a little looser.

That said, your point about Mr. Link composing his photos carefully is accurate. It could be a cart of mail might have been positioned at a different location if the photo hadn't been taken.

Best wishes,

Frank


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At Lambert's Point a new condition presents itself. It appears that the coal has frozen in the cars and it will take two or three days of weather ranging around forty degrees to thaw the coal out sufficiently to permit of dumping.

Pier 6 has a thaw shed now. By gravity, the coal rolls off the barney yard, over the scales, and
through the thaw shed before dumping. At times, it's so cold the coal sticks to the sides of
the hoppers after dumping. The cars are then tilted 90 degrees and a force of maintenance of
way employees uses picks to dislodge the stuck coal, then the car is rotated again. I've long
since forgotten the figure, but when the thaw shed is operational, the railroad pays Domino
Energy humongus fee because the shed is a kilowat sucker-upper. Harry Bundy

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