Engineer's side of Jawn Henry
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Gene A.
Email me at lmnewton at verizon.net and I'll let you know what pictures are
available.
Louis Newton
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> 1. Re: B&O-N&W at Shenandoah Jct. (NW Mailing List)
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> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:45:24 -0400
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: B&O-N&W at Shenandoah Jct.
> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> I know this photo, and it's curious that the wagon load of mail is in the
> photo at 1:00 am with B&O train 10 not stopping there until 4:35 am. Did
> the
> PO Dept have a policy about mail sitting unattended for several hours?
> The
> last B&O eastbound trains which made evening stops at Shenandoah Junction
> were number 11 and number 32 which ran close to each other about 10:00 pm.
> Number 32 was all mail and express, and was not in the public timetable.
> B&O train 17 westbound had a working RPO and it stopped at the Jct about
> 10:30 pm. As for N&W train 2 facing "east", it was on the station lead.
> Once it backed out to the main, it was in fact headed north.
>
> Link carefully posed props in his photos. I would not rule out that the
> position of the mail cart having something to do with that. The station
> at
> Shenandoah Jct had an enclosed shed on the east end of the station for
> parking loaded express/mail wagons. There was a considerable amount of US
> Mail and REA express which changed hands there each day between the two
> railroads.
>
> --Rick Morrison
>
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> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> To: <undisclosed recipients:>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:08 PM
> Subject: B&O-N&W at Shenandoah Jct.
>
>
>> In Baltimore_and_Ohio at yahoogroups.com, "bandoray" <raygrant1 at ...> wrote:
>>
>> The photo for August 2011 (as in now) O Winston Link Calendar (Miss
>> August??) is one of his typical night time photos at Shenandoah Jct with
>> streamlined N&W K2a 4-8-2 #128 in front of the station (pointed east)
>> with
>> B&O #7 (Shenandoah) westbound behind the station. There is an overfull
>> mail cart in the background by the eastbound B&O main which is waiting
>> for
>> something not soon, maybe #10 at 435 am (or maybe a mail train- somebody
>> help).
>>
>> A check of my 1954 Official Guide shows N&W #2 (eastbound?) due at
>> Shenandoah Jct. 1250 am and leaving at 100 am. Curiously B&O #7 departs
>> the Jct. at 1250, so the connection is little odd. By the way the Guide
>> lists "the Jct." as a coupon station. What does that mean?
>>
>>
>>
>> B&O-N&W at Shenandoah Jct. was Re: Bachmann EM-1 (B&O LIST)
>> Posted by: "R.N. Nelson" rnnelson1 at verizon.net wbaerr2
>> Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:35 pm (PDT)
>>
>> A coupon station sold interline tickets which were coupons attached
>> together. One coupon would be on the issuing road, the next on the
>> connection road, etc. The top coupon would be from the originating point
>> and the last coupon at the bottom was the destination, with whatever in
>> between on coupons. At Shenandoah Jct, it was a N&W facility with a N&W
>> Agent/Operator.
>>
>> As to the mail on the cart, mail from N&W Tr 2 went west on the B&O on
>> B&O
>> Tr 31 which ran after B&O Tr 7 and east to Washington, as you suspected,
>> on B&O Tr 10. Tr 31 was a mail and express train, which by that time
>> (1954) was operating Washington to Chicago.
>>
>> Most of the mail on the B&O for the valley came off at Martinsburg and
>> went by truck from there, called "Star Routes" The exception was the mail
>> exchange at Shenandoah Jct. to N&W's trains 1 and 2. The mixed trains N&W
>> 13/14 did not carry mail.
>>
>> Valley mail at Brunswick went to Tr 55 (Brunswick-Strasburg) from Tr 11.
>> In fact, Tr 55's mail car came from Washington on the rear of Tr 11 and
>> was cut off at Brunswick. It would return the same day and be on Tr 32
>> from Brunswick that night.
>>
>> N&W Tr 1 ran southbound and N&W Tr 2 ran northbound
>>
>> Norman
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> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:53:22 -0400
> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> Subject: Re: correction B&O-N&W at Shenandoah Jct.
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> Correction to my post about Shenadoah Jct. Should be B&O eastbound trains
> 12 and 32. Sorry. Train 12 was the running mate to 11 of course, the
> Metropolitan Special on the Washington-St Louis route. It was the slow
> train, all day Washington-Cincinnati, and then all night to St Louis. So
> there was nothing really special about it.
>
> --Rick Morrison
>
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> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: B&O-N&W at Shenandoah Jct.
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>>I know this photo, and it's curious that the wagon load of mail is in the
>>photo at 1:00 am with B&O train 10 not stopping there until 4:35 am. Did
>>the PO Dept have a policy about mail sitting unattended for several hours?
>>The last B&O eastbound trains which made evening stops at Shenandoah
>>Junction were number 11 and number 32 which ran close to each other about
>>10:00 pm. Number 32 was all mail and express, and was not in the public
>>timetable. B&O train 17 westbound had a working RPO and it stopped at the
>>Jct about 10:30 pm. As for N&W train 2 facing "east", it was on the
>>station lead. Once it backed out to the main, it was in fact headed north.
>>
>> Link carefully posed props in his photos. I would not rule out that the
>> position of the mail cart having something to do with that. The station
>> at Shenandoah Jct had an enclosed shed on the east end of the station for
>> parking loaded express/mail wagons. There was a considerable amount of
>> US
>> Mail and REA express which changed hands there each day between the two
>> railroads.
>>
>> --Rick Morrison
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
>> To: <undisclosed recipients:>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:08 PM
>> Subject: B&O-N&W at Shenandoah Jct.
>>
>>
>>> In Baltimore_and_Ohio at yahoogroups.com, "bandoray" <raygrant1 at ...> wrote:
>>>
>>> The photo for August 2011 (as in now) O Winston Link Calendar (Miss
>>> August??) is one of his typical night time photos at Shenandoah Jct with
>>> streamlined N&W K2a 4-8-2 #128 in front of the station (pointed east)
>>> with B&O #7 (Shenandoah) westbound behind the station. There is an
>>> overfull mail cart in the background by the eastbound B&O main which is
>>> waiting for something not soon, maybe #10 at 435 am (or maybe a mail
>>> train- somebody help).
>>>
>>> A check of my 1954 Official Guide shows N&W #2 (eastbound?) due at
>>> Shenandoah Jct. 1250 am and leaving at 100 am. Curiously B&O #7 departs
>>> the Jct. at 1250, so the connection is little odd. By the way the Guide
>>> lists "the Jct." as a coupon station. What does that mean?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> B&O-N&W at Shenandoah Jct. was Re: Bachmann EM-1 (B&O LIST)
>>> Posted by: "R.N. Nelson" rnnelson1 at verizon.net wbaerr2
>>> Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:35 pm (PDT)
>>>
>>> A coupon station sold interline tickets which were coupons attached
>>> together. One coupon would be on the issuing road, the next on the
>>> connection road, etc. The top coupon would be from the originating point
>>> and the last coupon at the bottom was the destination, with whatever in
>>> between on coupons. At Shenandoah Jct, it was a N&W facility with a N&W
>>> Agent/Operator.
>>>
>>> As to the mail on the cart, mail from N&W Tr 2 went west on the B&O on
>>> B&O Tr 31 which ran after B&O Tr 7 and east to Washington, as you
>>> suspected, on B&O Tr 10. Tr 31 was a mail and express train, which by
>>> that time (1954) was operating Washington to Chicago.
>>>
>>> Most of the mail on the B&O for the valley came off at Martinsburg and
>>> went by truck from there, called "Star Routes" The exception was the
>>> mail
>>> exchange at Shenandoah Jct. to N&W's trains 1 and 2. The mixed trains
>>> N&W
>>> 13/14 did not carry mail.
>>>
>>> Valley mail at Brunswick went to Tr 55 (Brunswick-Strasburg) from Tr 11.
>>> In fact, Tr 55's mail car came from Washington on the rear of Tr 11 and
>>> was cut off at Brunswick. It would return the same day and be on Tr 32
>>> from Brunswick that night.
>>>
>>> N&W Tr 1 ran southbound and N&W Tr 2 ran northbound
>>>
>>> Norman
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> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:27:16 -0400
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> Subject: Engineers side of "Jawn Henery"
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> Mr. Louis Newton;
> Once again thank you so much for your books,"Rails Remembered". My
> favorite being "Tale of a turbine", your excellent journal account of the
> rise and failure of 2300 the "Jawn Henry". My question being, would you
> have in your collection of photos a clear picture of the Engineers
> controls and side of the locomotive?
> Also, thank you for your article in the "Arrow" this quarter.
>
> Gene A.
> Gloucester, Va.
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