Flag sttops on N&W

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On the N&W, at a scheduled flag stop where an agent was on duty, a green and 
white flag by day or green and white lights at night were displayed to 
indicate the train was to stop for passengers.

The same signals were also displayed to stop a local freight train to pick 
up LCL freight.

Louis Newton

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> Subject: Tender Class for K1 with C&O/PM tenders?

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> Can anyone tell me the class designation for the ex-C&O/PM tenders

> that went behind several K1s?

> Thanks

> Joe Giannovario

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> Frank,

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> There were eight total, classified as 22-L, and all eight being assigned 

> to

> the K-1s.

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> Bud Jeffries

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> Juanita,

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> My great grandfather was the engineer on passenger trains Nos. 1 and 2 

> that stopped in Shenandoah. In fact, he died in 1938 of a sudden heart 

> attack while staying at the Shenandoah Y.M.C.A. during a layover.

>

> If you find a copy of the book, let me know and I will gladly buy it and 

> donate it to your museum in his memory.

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> Regards,

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> Blair Miller

> blair.miller at gmail.com

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> Sent from my iPad

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> On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:58 PM, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> 

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>> I have a question you may be able to help with.

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>> The Town would like to have the book titled ?Norfolk & Western Shenandoah 

>> Valley Line? by Mason Y. Cooper in our museum room.  This book contains 

>> many photographs and information about the rail yard in Shenandoah.

>>

>> Do you know anyone who may have an extra copy they would like to donate 

>> or sell cheap to the Town for our museum?

>>

>> Thanks for your help!  Juanita

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>> Juanita Roudabush

>> Assistant Town Manager/MMC

>> Town of Shenandoah

>> 426 First Street

>> Shenandoah, VA 22849

>> 540-652-8164-phone

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> Skipper:

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> Your rendition of some of the what's and why's of flag stops I find

> most interesting and have both some questions as well as some followup

> information.

>

> On Southern Railway, or at least in some places at least, there was a

> flag like structure literally on a rope mounted on a pole and when a

> person was waiting there, they would raise the flag to the top so the

> engineer and conductor would be able to hopefully see it far enough

> ahead to be able to stop in time and pickup the person and/or freight

> and express however the case may be. I have had the device described

> to me by a person who actually remembers using it in the 1940's and

> his memory was a sharp as can be.

>

> I also have a photo of one of these devices at a mainline station

> which did have an assigned agent but the date is uncertain (circa

> 1910-1920), but it is there without a doubt.

>

> That they had to sometimes backup to make their pickup cannot be

> denied, of course, especially if they didn't expect a pickup or had

> restricted viewing for any number of reasons like curves, hills,

> slippery track or just going too fast to make a safe stop.

>

> That said, this whole issue of flag stops and their magnitude is an

> interesting issue and I strongly suspect that the era involved may

> have something to do with it as well. Once the railroads started into

> CTC and began eliminating active agencies, not to mention passenger

> trains, the snowball began rolling on the issue.

>

> So here's a question and I suspect as I am surmising, that the RR and

> era make for a more detailed query; what if it was a flag stop but

> still had an active agency (let's say for freight or express for

> argument's sake), was the flag method used by the agent, just like

> putting out the stop sign on a semaphore? And of course for which RR's

> can we speak about on the issue?

>

> There are some mighty interesting permutations and combinations this

> question can morph into here.

>

> Bob Cohen

>

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> Here was the original posting by Skip.

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> The Jewel from the Past is from January 13, 2005: "'Slick' Inge

> commented on flag stops. He said that at every station where there was

> an agent, the passenger trains were prepared to stop for passengers.

> He doesn't remember any particular color flag or light being used,

> just a

> stop signal. He said at 'flag stops' where there was no agent, anyone

> could stop the train. He even remembered sometimes the train had to

> 'back up to pick up someone'".

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> Subject: Timonium, MD Great Scale train show - February 5-6,2011

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> Just a little reminder as we enter the heart of the train show season

> that the largest such event in the Baltimore-Washington region is just

> a week away and this is the Timonium, Md. Great Scale show at the

> Timonium Fairgrounds. Yes, it's Superbowl weekend but what the heck,

> the game doesn't start until after 6 PM EST Sunday, so there will be

> lots of time to peruse the aisles and aisles of goodies at the show

> for sure.

>

> Hopefully, we won't have the "snowmageddon" like last year which kind

> of spoiled it.

>

> In any event, models of all scales will undoubtedly be there as will

> major dealers from up and down the East Coast. The hours will be 9-5

> on Saturday and 10-4 Sunday. Not only models but books, magazines and

> railroadianna of sorts will be there to choose from both

> current/recent vintage as well the older and the rarer ones as well.

>

> If it's layouts, there are usually a number of modular groups 

> well-represented.

>

> A number of railroad historical societies are expected to be there, as

> well, including the B&O RR HS, N&W HS, WM HS, ACL/SAL HS group too and

> those are the ones I remember having seen.

>

> Admission is just $9 and is good for both days with a family rate also

> available. If you are into the railroad hobby scene in any way, this

> really big show is a must for you, just north of the Baltimore,

> Maryland beltway.

>

> Make sure you bring your lists and please don't forget them at home

> where they can't help you much, right?

>

> Bob Cohen

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