Pillars of Smoke Question

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Pushers that were operated ahead of the caboose, of course, had the air 
coupled through.

In the steam days, as I recall, pushers that were operated behind the 
caboose for  relatively short distances, such as Boaz to Blue Ridge on the 
Norfolk  Division, and Walton to Christiansburg on the Radford Division, did 
not have the air cut in.

Louis Newton

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> Message: 1

> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 10:38:17 -0400

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> Subject: N&W in 1911--Chair cars

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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph

> April 6, 1911

>

> CHAIR CARS WANTED

> ------

> Norton Board of Trade Will Ask to Have Them Put on Clinch Valley Trains

>    The Norton board of trade, according to report which reached this city 

> yesterday, will ask the Norfolk and Western to put on a Pullman or chair 

> car on the Clinch Valley division passenger trains.  The chair car is 

> preferred to the Pullman.  Incidentally chair cars on trains No. 9, 7 and 

> 3 would not be amiss and would receive a pretty fair patronage.  Some sort 

> of an arrangement whereby passengers going to Roanoke on Train No. 16 

> could get seats outside of the crowded day cars would also meet with the 

> approval of a considerable part of the traveling public.

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> Gordon Hamilton

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> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:31:16 -0400

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> "I have seen a jet of steam in front of the stack.  Is this steam coming

> from a feedwater heater?"

>

>    Yes, it is an air vent from the feedwater heater.

>

> "When the pusher couples to the rear end of the train, does it also 

> connect

> to the air line, or does it only couple on?"

>

>    Yes, normally that is what was done in order that if the train for any

> reason had an emergency brake application, the pushers brakes would apply

> too.

>    The caboose had a rod connected to the angle cock so it it could be

> closed. A chain was connected to the cut lever. When cutting off on the 

> fly,

> close the angle cock and pull the pin.

>

> Jimmy Lisle

>

> That makes sense for the train.  What about the pusher?  You leave its 

> angle

> cock open and it goes into emergency on uncoupling.  I always figured air

> wasn't couple to the pusher.  After all engineer would have to shut off

> throttle anyway and he'll know if the train air is dumped.

>

> John Marbury

>

>

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> Message: 3

> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 17:51:29 -0400

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> Subject: The Bluestone Branch

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> I'm excited to launch a new feature in the Abandoned Rails section of the 

> Rails in Virginia website: The N&W Bluestone Branch.

>

> The link below will take you to the main page on which you will also find 

> a link to the Bluestone Branch photo gallery.  Several custom maps are 

> also in the works and will be added in the very near future.  Additional 

> photos are also forthcoming.

>

> http://www.railsinvirginia.com/abandoned/bluestone/index.html

>

> Please let me know if you experience any throuble with the photo gallery. 

> The javascript has been working fine all day, however I recently noticed 

> the "close" button in the bottom right corner of each image is not 

> appearing for some unknown reason but the link does still work.

>

> As always, feel free to e-mail me with any corrections or additions. 

> Photo contributions are also welcome.  I would especially like to extend 

> my sincere appreciation to fellow society member Charles Wilson for his 

> help with this project.

>

> Jeff Hawkins

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> www.railsinvirginia.com

> www.railfirephotography.com

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> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:24:24 -0700

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> Subject: Re: Pillars of Smoke Question (NW Mailing List)

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> Remember, locos have an independent brake, too.

>

> pete groom

> On Oct 17, 2010, at 1:31 PM, NW Mailing List wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>> "I have seen a jet of steam in front of the stack.  Is this steam coming

>> from a feedwater heater?"

>>

>>    Yes, it is an air vent from the feedwater heater.

>>

>> "When the pusher couples to the rear end of the train, does it also 

>> connect

>> to the air line, or does it only couple on?"

>>

>>    Yes, normally that is what was done in order that if the train for any

>> reason had an emergency brake application, the pushers brakes would apply

>> too.

>>    The caboose had a rod connected to the angle cock so it it could be

>> closed. A chain was connected to the cut lever. When cutting off on the 

>> fly,

>> close the angle cock and pull the pin.

>>

>> Jimmy Lisle

>>

>> That makes sense for the train.  What about the pusher?  You leave its 

>> angle

>> cock open and it goes into emergency on uncoupling.  I always figured air

>> wasn't couple to the pusher.  After all engineer would have to shut off

>> throttle anyway and he'll know if the train air is dumped.

>>

>> John Marbury

>>

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> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:50:34 -0500

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> Subject: RE: N&W menus

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> Gordon,

>

> Likely a coincidence, I have a relative on my father's side who would be 

> in

> her eighties and lives in Barnesville, Georgia, but grew up in Norfolk.

> Dad's grandfather, Thomas E. "T.E." Jamison, owned Lauderdale Farms from

> 1930 until 1954. Growing up in Salem, Dad visited regularly including

> extended summer stays, but doesn't remember her visiting.

>

> Grant Carpenter

>

>> Message: 4

>> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:53:28 -0400

>> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> Subject: Re: N&W menus

>> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

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>> Grant,

>>

>> The following gives the background for my research about Lauderdale:

>>

>> The house in the picture is known as Lauderdale and is located at 13608

> Lee Highway, which is a little over half way from Troutville on the way to

> Buchanan.  It was placed on the national register of historic places Oct.

> 31, 2007.  Incidentally the current [as of Jan. 2009] occupants are 

> Herbert

> and Pricilla Barber.

>>

>> To explain, an 80-year old lady in Georgia whose relative owned

> Lauderdale many years ago contacted VMT and said that she visited the 

> house

> many times and remembered seeing its picture on an N&W  menu in the dining

> cars.  She wanted to know if anyone knew about that menu.  Bev Fitzpatrick

> of the VMT contacted me, and by chance I had a copy of that menu that I

> could scan to send pictures to her.  I also sent her a duplicate copy of

> the original menu that I had.  She was overjoyed, and sent a nice

> contribution to the N&WHS in appreciation.  I then looked up, and talked

> with, the present occupants.  Herbert had researched the history of the

> house and said that he had heard of the menu, but had never seen it, so I

> sent a scan of the menu to him also.

>>

>> Gordon Hamilton

>>

>> ----- Original Message ----- 

>> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> To: <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:40 PM

>> Subject: Re: N&W menus

>>

>>

>> > Gordon, I'm impressed, how do you know about Lauderdale?

>> >

>> > The N&W images I've seen were B&W or colorized and appear to have been

>> > reversed.  The lane to the right goes to the dairy actually located to

> the

>> > left.  Quite the sensation in the neighborhood when built, the home

> sported

>> > a brick two-holer out back. Milk was hauled by wagon to Lithia and

> loaded

>> > on the train for Roanoke.  Ironically, the Valley Railroad was to have

>> > passed just back of the barn.

>> >

>> > Grant Carpenter

>> >

>> >

>> >> Message: 5

>> >> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:31:28 -0500

>> >> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> >> Subject: Re: N&W menus

>> >> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

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>> >> reply-type=original

>> >>

>> >> Frank,

>> >>

>> >> The picture on the front of this menu is of an existing home known as

>> >> Lauderdale, located a little more than half way from Troutville on the

>> > way

>> >> to Buchanan along US 11.  Incidentally, it went onto the Register of

>> >> Historic Places Oct. 31, 2007.  I don't know about other menu scenes,

> but

>> > I

>> >> suspect they were also real photos.

>> >>

>> >> Gordon Hamilton

>> >>

>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 

>> >> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> >> To: "N&W Historical Society" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> >> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:41 PM

>> >> Subject: N&W menus

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> > Hello, all:

>> >> >

>> >> > Were scenes on N&W menus such as the one at eBay 120522232424 of

> real

>> >> > locations, or were these stylized artist renditions?

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120522232424&ssPageName=A

>> > DME:B:SS:US:1123

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks for the advice,

>> >> >

>> >> > Frank Scheer

>

>

>

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> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT)

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> Subject: RE: Pillars of Smoke Question (NW Mailing List)

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> While I cannot speak accurately as to how it was handled with steam, I do 

> know that if the air was not turned into the pusher, and the train went 

> into emergency for any reason, the pusher, still working, would probably 

> buckle the train and there would be cars all over the right of way!

> ?

> Jeff Sanders??

>

> --- On Sun, 10/17/10, NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

>

>

> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> Subject: RE: Pillars of Smoke Question (NW Mailing List)

> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

> Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010, 4:31 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> "I have seen a jet of steam in front of the stack.? Is this steam coming

> from a feedwater heater?"

>

> ? ? Yes, it is an air vent from the feedwater heater.

>

> "When the pusher couples to the rear end of the train, does it also 

> connect

> to the air line, or does it only couple on?"

> ? ?

> ? ? Yes, normally that is what was done in order that if the train for any

> reason had an emergency brake application, the pushers brakes would apply

> too.

> ? ? The caboose had a rod connected to the angle cock so it it could be

> closed. A chain was connected to the cut lever. When cutting off on the 

> fly,

> close the angle cock and pull the pin.

>

> Jimmy Lisle

>

> That makes sense for the train.? What about the pusher?? You leave its 

> angle

> cock open and it goes into emergency on uncoupling.? I always figured air

> wasn't couple to the pusher.? After all engineer would have to shut off

> throttle anyway and he'll know if the train air is dumped.?

>

> John Marbury

>

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