N&WHC-3 covered hoppers

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It may be that the source of the silica sand was not in the Cincinnati area, but it may be that the car(s) were loaded nearby in quarries located along the Great Miami River or Little Miami River where there were many quarries operated in the 1950’s.  These quarries were along the rivers from the Ohio River well up north towards Dayton, Ohio.  But, I am not aware of a quarry that dug quartz sand from the river bottoms around here.

 

It is also possible that the sand came from a distributor of sand for different industrial purposes.  A number of these were suppliers to foundries (sand for castings) of which there were many (many, many) in the Cincinnati area due to the machine tool industries there.  Hill and Griffiths still exists in Cincinnati off of the Southern Ry as a foundry supplier and they started in 1896.

 

It also could be that the silica sand came by barge and was off loaded on the riverfront or near the mouth of the Mill Creek and transloaded into the railroad hopper cars along the river bank downstream from Cincinnati along the B&O and Big Four lines.

 

Note that the N&W did interchange with the B&O Ohio Division in a small yard/set off near Berry Yard in Bond Hill along Tennessee Avenue.  They also interchanged with the B&O Toledo Division in the yard near Ivorydale in St. Bernard/Elmwood Place on the north side of the Proctor & Gamble plant.  The N&W would interchange with the Big Four there as well.    It may be that the Bond Hill interchange was recorded as Norwood (right next door) rather than implying the Norwood Yard of the N&W in Norwood.  

 

The NYC also interchanged with the B&O Ohio Division there as well- the old CH&D yard in St. Bernard.

 

It would seem to me that the best route for a car from Cincinnati to the Rutland RR in Vermont would be on the Big Four/NYC with a routing from Cincinnati to Dayton, Springfield, Bellfountaine and the Beeline Route to Cleveland and the Water Level Route rather than a routing over the B&O or the PRR which would be less direct.  

 

Gary Rolih

Cincinnati 

 

 

 

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Kurt,

  I have tried searching silica, silicone dioxide and sand on the web and found several companies in Ohio which mine silica but none seem to have an apparent connection to St. Bernard, Norwood or Cincinnati.  There where a bunch of mergers mentioned but still no clue who it was in 1953.  The deposit of silica may have been in a different area with the refining process being done in the Cincinnati area.  N&W cars shipped tended to have the origin "St. Bernard" while B&O cars had "Norwood" but these are next to each other and suburbs of Cincinnati. 

Andy Clermont

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Try looking for sand which is silicone dioxide or silica.

 

Kurt S. Kramke


Apr 30, 2010 02:51:39 PM, nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org wrote:

Matt,
Thanks for the help, I have been searching the internet and have found 
nothing connecting St. Bernard, OH to silica. I have found that some of the 
cars shipped, B&O, originated from Norwood, OH which is close to St. 
Bernard but web searches have turned nothing on that location either. Let 
me know what you find.
Andy Clermont
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> Andy,

>

> I attended a Prototype Modelers Meet in Marion, Ohio this past weekend, 

> and by chance one of the clinics was on the glass industry in WVA, Western 

> Pa and Ohio. The presenter had done some good research on where raw 

> materials were, so it's possible he may know of the silica source in St 

> Bernard.

>

> I'm attempting to contact him about your question and will let you know if 

> that bears fruit.

>

> Matt Goodman

> Columbus Ohio

>

> On Apr 24, 2010, at 6:23 PM, NW Mailing List 

> wrote:

>

> 1. Who was the shipper of silica in St. Bernard, OH in 1953

> and is there any information available? They must have been served by the

> N&W and the B&O.

>

>

>

>

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