N&W 611 Headlight

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Okay, but my point is that 611's history did not end with her first 
retirement.  Displaying her in her excursion career appearance is just as 
correct as her as delivered appearance.  Which is why I have no problem with 
them putting in an original headlight, just so long as they keep the twin 
seal beam.  Switch them around once a decade or so.

I don't believe any original N&W water tenders were preserved.  The one in 
the museum is one of the ones built for excursion service.  So again, should 
it be scrapped because it is not from the 1950's, thus making the 1218 
display "incorrect"?  Was Union Pacific wrong to convert 3985 to burn oil? 
If 4449 should ever go on permanent display, would it be wrong to paint her 
in Freedom Train colors?

If there was a regular, for lack of a better term, Model T on display, I 
would hope it would be in as close to original form as possible.  But if 
there was a specific Model T that saw some sort of use in the modern era, 
perhaps being used in a television show or movie, was used for public 
appearances, and it was modified over time specifically for those uses in 
the modern era, then I would want it displayed with the modifications, 
because it's no longer just any Model T.  It is distinctive and should be 
remembered as such.  If a Pontiac Trans-Am that was used for the television 
show "Knight Rider" was put on display, would you remove all of the 
modifications that were made for the television show?

611 is not just another N&W J.  She is not even just the last surviving J, 
not any more.  Her 12 years of excursion service have made her something 
more.  She is 611, THE J, with a unique history that should be remembered in 
it's entirety, from 1950-1994.

Marty Flick


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> Marty

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>    I don't believe 611 is being displayed with a

> auxiliary water tender. There's one behind the 1218

> which is correct for a Class A in the 50s. The point

> I am trying to get across is the 611 is a machine of

> the 40s and 50s .In a Museum it should be historically

> correct. You would not display a Model T with a Sony

> radio in it would you.

>

> Larry Evans

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>> Good to know that they kept the twin seal beam.  I personally always 

>> liked it, but again, it's what I grew up with.  611's history did not 

>> stop with her retirement in 1959, so the museum and railfan community 

>> should be interested in preserving all aspects of her history, including 

>> the modifications for excursion service.  After all, if the excursion 

>> years don't count, we might as well scrap the auxiliary water tender.  As 

>> for the reasoning of the twin seal beam, I understand it was so that 

>> replacement light bulbs from any diesel shop could be used, as opposed to 

>> specialty ones kept in Irondale.

>> If 611 does run again, I don't think we have to worry about ditch lights 

>> or reflective striping; 844, 3985, 765, 261, 4449, and other steam 

>> engines that have seen mainline service in recent years don't have any of 

>> that stuff.

>>

>> Marty Flick

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>> Subject: Re: N&W 611 Headlight

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>>> Marty

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>>>   It my understanding that the seal beam was

>>> put in storage at VMT. But I am sure if someday

>>> ever comes again we will haft to have ditch lights

>>> reflective striping and who knows what else.I can

>>> remember chasing 611 on its first trip back to Roanoke

>>> everyone was in al of how great she looked right out of

>>> the shop. But the question you herd over and over again

>>> was why did they change the headlight. I don't think

>>> anyone ever liked the seal bean arrangement. it took

>>> away from the whole streamline design. We just learned

>>> to live with it. Now if we can get VMT to just remove

>>> the safety first crap they plastered on the steps.

>>>

>>> Larry Evans

>>> Kenova, WV

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>>> Subject: Re: N&W 611 Headlight

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>>>> It may be historically accurate, but as someone who grew up with the 

>>>> excursion version, I hope they kept the twin seal beam.  It's as much a 

>>>> part of 611's legacy as anything.  And you never know, "someday" may 

>>>> come again.

>>>>

>>>> Marty Flick

>>>>

>>>>> Good News today 611s Headlight has been restored to it former glory. 

>>>>> This was made possible

>>>>> by Rick Rader of Roanoke Va. Rick donated the light and installed it. 

>>>>> Something that was way

>>>>> over due. Hopefully VMT  will start paying attention to more details 

>>>>> such as this. Hats off to Rick.

>>>> >

>>>>> Larry Evans

>>>>> Kenova WV

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