N&W in 1910--Coal movement

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A slightly different answer on western coal movements

Tariff No. O.X. 1 on coal from the Pocahontas region to Chicago went into effect on Nov 26, 1892 with the coal to be weighed and manifested at Kenova. In 1893, Illinois Steel of Chicago started purchasing coke from Powhatan Coal & Coke (Powhatan, WV), Norfolk Coal & Coke, Shamokin Coal & Coke (Maybeury, WV) and Lick Branch Colliery (Switchback, WV). By 1896, Illinois Steel was the major purchaser of coke from the Pocahontas coalfield. The two attachments, (photographed at NWHS archives) deal with Illinois steel.

Starting in 1929 the Pocahontas Operators Association (Pocahontas District and Tug River District) started tracking where Pocahontas region coal was being shipped. In 1929 th ecoal distribution was:

Inland Westbound - 14,198,745 tons
Lake Coal - 6,273,556
Inland Eastbound - 2,730,005
Tidewater - 6,568,911

The inland westbound went to:

Wisconsin - 475, 872 tons
Michigan - 2,598,905 with 1,641,132 tons to Detroit (Fordson Coal Co at Twin Branch, WV produced 537,182 tons in 1929)
Iowa - 66,753
Minnesota - 96,569
Nebraska - 139
South Dakota - 24,563
Buffalo, NY - 54,042
Erie, PA - 23,065
Ohio - 3,986,991 with 1,399,643 to Cleveland
Indiana - 688,258
Illinois - 5,961, 506 with 5,666,362 going to Chicago ( United States Coal & Coke produced 4,871,274 tons in 1929 and probably all of it was shipped to Chicago)
Canada - 203,549

Alex Schust




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Al: Western coal moved to Columbus, Ohio and connections there via Joyce Avenue Yard in Columbus. The PRR had just purchased the Sandusky Branch for coal movement to Sandusky and Lake Erie. Before that purchase, N&W coal moved to Toledo (mostly) via the Hocking Valley or the Toledo & Ohio Central (NYC). Some moved via the PRR through Indiana on the Pan Handle main to Chicago.



Coal was classified at Portsmouth, Ohio and some went to Cincinnati via the Peavine along with the larger movements to Columbus. Some of the coal was coked at New Boston for use in the Detroit Steel/Wheeling Steel plant in New Boston and some of the coke was used in the steel plants in the Ironton area. Some coal moved back east to the chemical plants eastbound from Kenova around Cyrus as those chemical industries developed.



At Ironton and Waverly/Glen Jean, some coal was interchanged to the DT&I.



At Cincinnati, most of the coal was moved down into Cincinnati on trackage rights down the Cincinnati, Lebanon & Northern (PRR) down to the Court Street Yard and the coal docks near downtown. In those days and later, the N&W delivered most of the coal for heating buildings in the commercial area of Cincinnati. Other coal cars moved into Norwood, Evanston, Hyde Park and Ivorydale/St. Bernard to large coal wharves in each of these suburban towns of Cincinnati. Most of this coal was delivered to coal dealers for heating purposes.



Gary Rolih

Cincinnati






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At this time, 1910, where were the N&Ws WESTERN coal movements going to?



Al Kresse


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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
August 30, 1910

IN CITY AND COALFIELD
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Loses His Foot
Sam Goodall, a seventeen-year-old boy, who is the only support of a widowed mother, lost his left foot at Oakvale yesterday when he fell from a freight underneath the wheels. The boy and a companion of about the same age, were riding on the train. Goodall tried to snatch the hat of his friend while the train was in motion. He missed the hat and lost his balance, falling underneath the wheels. He was brought to this city on an engine and taken to the Bluefield Sanitarium where his injuries were treated. The boy's house is at Ingleside.
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No Branch Line to Roanoke
The Daily Telegraph has learned that the Chesapeake and Ohio is not planning the construction of a branch line to Roanoke or any other point in that section. This information comes from the office of the president. An effort to learn from the same source whether the Chesapeake and Ohio intends to extend its Big Sandy branch was not productive of results. It is therefore likely [sic] that such an extension of the Big Sandy branch such as has been mentioned in the Daily Telegraph is contemplated.
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Not Hurt by Fall From Train
While under the influence of a jag George Teller, of Narrows, was thrown from a freight train yesterday at Lurich and owning to his load he was able to escape injury. The man tried to catch a passing freight but was unable to do so. He was thrown to the ground and when picked up it was thought his back was broken, but an examination proved that his suppleness, due to the inactivity of the muscles, saved him from the broken back.
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Sensation at Bramwell
Quite a sensation was created in Bramwell yesterday when Dr. Ed. Jones arrived in town with his Hupmobile. Those who knew he was coming, and there were a good many of them, lined the streets awaiting the arrival of the doctor with his harbinger of better roads. Several went out on horseback to see the car make the hills, but it went to town without any trouble. This is the fist car which has made the run from this city to Bramwell and the Hupmobile is the first car owned and driven in Bramwell. Several Bramwellites own cars which they drive in the east but heretofore they have been content to leave them there. The car took the route to Bramwell via Hales's crossing near Midway.
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Excursion Circus Day
The Norfolk and Western has announced an excursion from the Clinch Valley to Bluefield for the eighth of September when the Hagenbeck-Wallace circus will be here. Owing to the law passed by the last session of the Virginia legislature circuses cannot show in Virginia, the license fee of over $1,000 for each performance being prohibitive. On this account the towns on the borders of the adjoining states are getting the business this year.
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Lost Left Leg
Sam Musslewhite, of Big Four, a miner, lost his left leg near Claren yesterday afternoon about 3.30 o'clock when, in attempting to catch a passing freight train, he fell beneath the cars. He was found a short time afterwards by a section hand and sent to the Miners' Hospital, at Welch.
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Inspection Tour
President L. E. Johnson and a few of the officials will pass over the Norfolk and Western today on a tour of inspection. The party will arrive in a special train.
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[Lots of railroad items--and one railroad competitor item-- that day!]

Gordon Hamilton
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Bluefield Daily Telegraph
August 31, 1910

EASTERN MOVEMENT OF COAL IS VERY HEAVY
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Half Million Tons More Dumped Over Lamberts Point Pier Than Ever Before, Mr. Barrett Says
F. R. Barrett, of Norfolk, is authority for the statement that up to the 10th of this month the Norfolk and Western had dumped over Lamberts Point over 500,000 tons more coal than has been dumped at the same period in the history of the Lamberts Point pier.
This record speaks well for the eastern movement so far this year and shows that the western movement, which has been enormous, is not the only movement which the Norfolk and Western depends upon.
According to semi-official advices the shipments for the past fifteen days on the railroad have been record breaking and some trouble has been experienced in getting enough cars to supply the demand. The outlook at this time is such that it is believed the Norfolk and Western will equal if not exceed the wonderful record of last month when the road shipped within seven thousand of a million and a half tons. The cars during the past month have averaged a smaller tonnage than the month previous and this may reduce the total although it will be close to the million and a half mark.
Every coal agency in the city has a large number of unfilled lump orders which are slow in filling on account of the lack of demand for slack and the lack of call for coke, which situation does not seem to improve, although a healthier movement of coke is expected next month. If these lump orders could be filled as fast as they come in and assurances given the market that the business could be taken care of, the Norfolk and Western would have more than it could handle.
One feature of the movement which is noticeable this fall is the lack of wrecks on the road. Last year about this time the road was having all kinds of trouble and cars were being smashed up every day. The percentage of cars broken up or smashed this year is small, thereby adding considerably to the car supply. It has, however, shown its effect on the shop forces, which are not crowded as they have been in former years, although the road is hauling more tonnage than ever before in its history. These little things have a big effect on the earnings of the company as it is not necessary to keep equipment in the shops.
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