From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Feb 8 10:59:03 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:59:03 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Telephone Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 31, 1910 TELEPHONE TO TAKE PLACE OF TELEGRAPH ------ First Wire Between the East and the South Being Removed After Sixty Years of Service Old galvanized wire No. 5, now rust-eaten and ready to fall to decay, the first of the telegraph wires to respond to the soughing winds of the unbroken southern forests, the original wire connecting the east and the south, and which was strung between Lynchburg, Va., and Atlanta, Ga., during the construction of the Virginia and Tennessee Railway, now nearly sixty years since, is at last nearing the end of its existence. This faithful old wire, which was strung when the Civil war was in the incubator, and which was used later to transmit the pathetic messages of that memorable conflict between brothers of a common country, was removed between Atlanta and Bristol, along the line of the southern [sic] Railway, in 1902*. A section of the same wire was left intact at that time along the line of the Norfolk and Western Railway, between Bristol and Lynchburg. Recently Western Union linemen have been busy with the task of tearing down and removing this faithful old servant of two generations ago. Rust-eaten and robbed of every vestige of galvanized coat, it snaps in two as the linemen pull at it in removing it from the insulators. As one of the linemen expressed it, "It tells of the departed glory of the Morse system of telegraph, for its removal is being followed by the installation by the Norfolk and Western Railway Company of a complete system of modern telephones, which are to take the place of the telegraph system of dispatching trains." The new system of dispatching trains is already in effect between Roanoke and Glade Springs, Va., a distance of 120-miles, and within the next two weeks the system will have been extended to Bristol. The system of telegraphing train orders will in all probability be eliminated by this new process. However, the telegraph will be retained as a supplementary system for use in the case of emergency. ------ *Last numeral was indistinct on microfilm. The best interpretation is shown. Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Feb 8 17:43:37 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:43:37 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Coal movement In-Reply-To: <759381657.411581265572983196.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <759381657.411581265572983196.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Al: Western coal moved to Columbus, Ohio and connections there via Joyce Avenue Yard in Columbus. The PRR had just purchased the Sandusky Branch for coal movement to Sandusky and Lake Erie. Before that purchase, N&W coal moved to Toledo (mostly) via the Hocking Valley or the Toledo & Ohio Central (NYC). Some moved via the PRR through Indiana on the Pan Handle main to Chicago. Coal was classified at Portsmouth, Ohio and some went to Cincinnati via the Peavine along with the larger movements to Columbus. Some of the coal was coked at New Boston for use in the Detroit Steel/Wheeling Steel plant in New Boston and some of the coke was used in the steel plants in the Ironton area. Some coal moved back east to the chemical plants eastbound from Kenova around Cyrus as those chemical industries developed. At Ironton and Waverly/Glen Jean, some coal was interchanged to the DT&I. At Cincinnati, most of the coal was moved down into Cincinnati on trackage rights down the Cincinnati, Lebanon & Northern (PRR) down to the Court Street Yard and the coal docks near downtown. In those days and later, the N&W delivered most of the coal for heating buildings in the commercial area of Cincinnati. Other coal cars moved into Norwood, Evanston, Hyde Park and Ivorydale/St. Bernard to large coal wharves in each of these suburban towns of Cincinnati. Most of this coal was delivered to coal dealers for heating purposes. Gary Rolih Cincinnati _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:03 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Coal movement At this time, 1910, where were the N&Ws WESTERN coal movements going to? Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 12:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 53, Issue 14 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. N&W in 1910--Lots of news (NW Mailing List) 2. N&W in 1910--Coal movement (NW Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:19:45 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1910--Lots of news To: "3N&W Mailing List" Message-ID: <356024A98CBF4002BD50F5600A0AA248 at DellVostro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 30, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Loses His Foot Sam Goodall, a seventeen-year-old boy, who is the only support of a widowed mother, lost his left foot at Oakvale yesterday when he fell from a freight underneath the wheels. The boy and a companion of about the same age, were riding on the train. Goodall tried to snatch the hat of his friend while the train was in motion. He missed the hat and lost his balance, falling underneath the wheels. He was brought to this city on an engine and taken to the Bluefield Sanitarium where his injuries were treated. The boy's house is at Ingleside. ------ No Branch Line to Roanoke The Daily Telegraph has learned that the Chesapeake and Ohio is not planning the construction of a branch line to Roanoke or any other point in that section. This information comes from the office of the president. An effort to learn from the same source whether the Chesapeake and Ohio intends to extend its Big Sandy branch was not productive of results. It is therefore likely [sic] that such an extension of the Big Sandy branch such as has been mentioned in the Daily Telegraph is contemplated. ------ Not Hurt by Fall From Train While under the influence of a jag George Teller, of Narrows, was thrown from a freight train yesterday at Lurich and owning to his load he was able to escape injury. The man tried to catch a passing freight but was unable to do so. He was thrown to the ground and when picked up it was thought his back was broken, but an examination proved that his suppleness, due to the inactivity of the muscles, saved him from the broken back. ------ Sensation at Bramwell Quite a sensation was created in Bramwell yesterday when Dr. Ed. Jones arrived in town with his Hupmobile. Those who knew he was coming, and there were a good many of them, lined the streets awaiting the arrival of the doctor with his harbinger of better roads. Several went out on horseback to see the car make the hills, but it went to town without any trouble. This is the fist car which has made the run from this city to Bramwell and the Hupmobile is the first car owned and driven in Bramwell. Several Bramwellites own cars which they drive in the east but heretofore they have been content to leave them there. The car took the route to Bramwell via Hales's crossing near Midway. ------ Excursion Circus Day The Norfolk and Western has announced an excursion from the Clinch Valley to Bluefield for the eighth of September when the Hagenbeck-Wallace circus will be here. Owing to the law passed by the last session of the Virginia legislature circuses cannot show in Virginia, the license fee of over $1,000 for each performance being prohibitive. On this account the towns on the borders of the adjoining states are getting the business this year. ------ Lost Left Leg Sam Musslewhite, of Big Four, a miner, lost his left leg near Claren yesterday afternoon about 3.30 o'clock when, in attempting to catch a passing freight train, he fell beneath the cars. He was found a short time afterwards by a section hand and sent to the Miners' Hospital, at Welch. ------ Inspection Tour President L. E. Johnson and a few of the officials will pass over the Norfolk and Western today on a tour of inspection. The party will arrive in a special train. ------ [Lots of railroad items--and one railroad competitor item-- that day!] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:03:37 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1910--Coal movement To: "3N&W Mailing List" Message-ID: <8901D2C94F034DB8B264839F4CF1BDE8 at DellVostro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 31, 1910 EASTERN MOVEMENT OF COAL IS VERY HEAVY ------ Half Million Tons More Dumped Over Lamberts Point Pier Than Ever Before, Mr. Barrett Says F. R. Barrett, of Norfolk, is authority for the statement that up to the 10th of this month the Norfolk and Western had dumped over Lamberts Point over 500,000 tons more coal than has been dumped at the same period in the history of the Lamberts Point pier. This record speaks well for the eastern movement so far this year and shows that the western movement, which has been enormous, is not the only movement which the Norfolk and Western depends upon. According to semi-official advices the shipments for the past fifteen days on the railroad have been record breaking and some trouble has been experienced in getting enough cars to supply the demand. The outlook at this time is such that it is believed the Norfolk and Western will equal if not exceed the wonderful record of last month when the road shipped within seven thousand of a million and a half tons. The cars during the past month have averaged a smaller tonnage than the month previous and this may reduce the total although it will be close to the million and a half mark. Every coal agency in the city has a large number of unfilled lump orders which are slow in filling on account of the lack of demand for slack and the lack of call for coke, which situation does not seem to improve, although a healthier movement of coke is expected next month. If these lump orders could be filled as fast as they come in and assurances given the market that the business could be taken care of, the Norfolk and Western would have more than it could handle. One feature of the movement which is noticeable this fall is the lack of wrecks on the road. Last year about this time the road was having all kinds of trouble and cars were being smashed up every day. The percentage of cars broken up or smashed this year is small, thereby adding considerably to the car supply. It has, however, shown its effect on the shop forces, which are not crowded as they have been in former years, although the road is hauling more tonnage than ever before in its history. These little things have a big effect on the earnings of the company as it is not necessary to keep equipment in the shops. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 53, Issue 14 *********************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Feb 9 09:40:46 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 09:40:46 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Coal movement References: <759381657.411581265572983196.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: A slightly different answer on western coal movements Tariff No. O.X. 1 on coal from the Pocahontas region to Chicago went into effect on Nov 26, 1892 with the coal to be weighed and manifested at Kenova. In 1893, Illinois Steel of Chicago started purchasing coke from Powhatan Coal & Coke (Powhatan, WV), Norfolk Coal & Coke, Shamokin Coal & Coke (Maybeury, WV) and Lick Branch Colliery (Switchback, WV). By 1896, Illinois Steel was the major purchaser of coke from the Pocahontas coalfield. The two attachments, (photographed at NWHS archives) deal with Illinois steel. Starting in 1929 the Pocahontas Operators Association (Pocahontas District and Tug River District) started tracking where Pocahontas region coal was being shipped. In 1929 th ecoal distribution was: Inland Westbound - 14,198,745 tons Lake Coal - 6,273,556 Inland Eastbound - 2,730,005 Tidewater - 6,568,911 The inland westbound went to: Wisconsin - 475, 872 tons Michigan - 2,598,905 with 1,641,132 tons to Detroit (Fordson Coal Co at Twin Branch, WV produced 537,182 tons in 1929) Iowa - 66,753 Minnesota - 96,569 Nebraska - 139 South Dakota - 24,563 Buffalo, NY - 54,042 Erie, PA - 23,065 Ohio - 3,986,991 with 1,399,643 to Cleveland Indiana - 688,258 Illinois - 5,961, 506 with 5,666,362 going to Chicago ( United States Coal & Coke produced 4,871,274 tons in 1929 and probably all of it was shipped to Chicago) Canada - 203,549 Alex Schust ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: RE: N&W in 1910--Coal movement Al: Western coal moved to Columbus, Ohio and connections there via Joyce Avenue Yard in Columbus. The PRR had just purchased the Sandusky Branch for coal movement to Sandusky and Lake Erie. Before that purchase, N&W coal moved to Toledo (mostly) via the Hocking Valley or the Toledo & Ohio Central (NYC). Some moved via the PRR through Indiana on the Pan Handle main to Chicago. Coal was classified at Portsmouth, Ohio and some went to Cincinnati via the Peavine along with the larger movements to Columbus. Some of the coal was coked at New Boston for use in the Detroit Steel/Wheeling Steel plant in New Boston and some of the coke was used in the steel plants in the Ironton area. Some coal moved back east to the chemical plants eastbound from Kenova around Cyrus as those chemical industries developed. At Ironton and Waverly/Glen Jean, some coal was interchanged to the DT&I. At Cincinnati, most of the coal was moved down into Cincinnati on trackage rights down the Cincinnati, Lebanon & Northern (PRR) down to the Court Street Yard and the coal docks near downtown. In those days and later, the N&W delivered most of the coal for heating buildings in the commercial area of Cincinnati. Other coal cars moved into Norwood, Evanston, Hyde Park and Ivorydale/St. Bernard to large coal wharves in each of these suburban towns of Cincinnati. Most of this coal was delivered to coal dealers for heating purposes. Gary Rolih Cincinnati ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:03 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--Coal movement At this time, 1910, where were the N&Ws WESTERN coal movements going to? Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 12:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 53, Issue 14 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. N&W in 1910--Lots of news (NW Mailing List) 2. N&W in 1910--Coal movement (NW Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 12:19:45 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1910--Lots of news To: "3N&W Mailing List" Message-ID: <356024A98CBF4002BD50F5600A0AA248 at DellVostro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 30, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Loses His Foot Sam Goodall, a seventeen-year-old boy, who is the only support of a widowed mother, lost his left foot at Oakvale yesterday when he fell from a freight underneath the wheels. The boy and a companion of about the same age, were riding on the train. Goodall tried to snatch the hat of his friend while the train was in motion. He missed the hat and lost his balance, falling underneath the wheels. He was brought to this city on an engine and taken to the Bluefield Sanitarium where his injuries were treated. The boy's house is at Ingleside. ------ No Branch Line to Roanoke The Daily Telegraph has learned that the Chesapeake and Ohio is not planning the construction of a branch line to Roanoke or any other point in that section. This information comes from the office of the president. An effort to learn from the same source whether the Chesapeake and Ohio intends to extend its Big Sandy branch was not productive of results. It is therefore likely [sic] that such an extension of the Big Sandy branch such as has been mentioned in the Daily Telegraph is contemplated. ------ Not Hurt by Fall From Train While under the influence of a jag George Teller, of Narrows, was thrown from a freight train yesterday at Lurich and owning to his load he was able to escape injury. The man tried to catch a passing freight but was unable to do so. He was thrown to the ground and when picked up it was thought his back was broken, but an examination proved that his suppleness, due to the inactivity of the muscles, saved him from the broken back. ------ Sensation at Bramwell Quite a sensation was created in Bramwell yesterday when Dr. Ed. Jones arrived in town with his Hupmobile. Those who knew he was coming, and there were a good many of them, lined the streets awaiting the arrival of the doctor with his harbinger of better roads. Several went out on horseback to see the car make the hills, but it went to town without any trouble. This is the fist car which has made the run from this city to Bramwell and the Hupmobile is the first car owned and driven in Bramwell. Several Bramwellites own cars which they drive in the east but heretofore they have been content to leave them there. The car took the route to Bramwell via Hales's crossing near Midway. ------ Excursion Circus Day The Norfolk and Western has announced an excursion from the Clinch Valley to Bluefield for the eighth of September when the Hagenbeck-Wallace circus will be here. Owing to the law passed by the last session of the Virginia legislature circuses cannot show in Virginia, the license fee of over $1,000 for each performance being prohibitive. On this account the towns on the borders of the adjoining states are getting the business this year. ------ Lost Left Leg Sam Musslewhite, of Big Four, a miner, lost his left leg near Claren yesterday afternoon about 3.30 o'clock when, in attempting to catch a passing freight train, he fell beneath the cars. He was found a short time afterwards by a section hand and sent to the Miners' Hospital, at Welch. ------ Inspection Tour President L. E. Johnson and a few of the officials will pass over the Norfolk and Western today on a tour of inspection. The party will arrive in a special train. ------ [Lots of railroad items--and one railroad competitor item-- that day!] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:03:37 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1910--Coal movement To: "3N&W Mailing List" Message-ID: <8901D2C94F034DB8B264839F4CF1BDE8 at DellVostro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 31, 1910 EASTERN MOVEMENT OF COAL IS VERY HEAVY ------ Half Million Tons More Dumped Over Lamberts Point Pier Than Ever Before, Mr. Barrett Says F. R. Barrett, of Norfolk, is authority for the statement that up to the 10th of this month the Norfolk and Western had dumped over Lamberts Point over 500,000 tons more coal than has been dumped at the same period in the history of the Lamberts Point pier. This record speaks well for the eastern movement so far this year and shows that the western movement, which has been enormous, is not the only movement which the Norfolk and Western depends upon. According to semi-official advices the shipments for the past fifteen days on the railroad have been record breaking and some trouble has been experienced in getting enough cars to supply the demand. The outlook at this time is such that it is believed the Norfolk and Western will equal if not exceed the wonderful record of last month when the road shipped within seven thousand of a million and a half tons. The cars during the past month have averaged a smaller tonnage than the month previous and this may reduce the total although it will be close to the million and a half mark. Every coal agency in the city has a large number of unfilled lump orders which are slow in filling on account of the lack of demand for slack and the lack of call for coke, which situation does not seem to improve, although a healthier movement of coke is expected next month. If these lump orders could be filled as fast as they come in and assurances given the market that the business could be taken care of, the Norfolk and Western would have more than it could handle. One feature of the movement which is noticeable this fall is the lack of wrecks on the road. Last year about this time the road was having all kinds of trouble and cars were being smashed up every day. The percentage of cars broken up or smashed this year is small, thereby adding considerably to the car supply. It has, however, shown its effect on the shop forces, which are not crowded as they have been in former years, although the road is hauling more tonnage than ever before in its history. 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Having been a problem solving mechanical engineer myself, I can so appreciate you having kept a journal. Even more striking is the sad story of the death of an era of time that some of us will never forget. Example to quote the author from page 867, " I have often thought that the instellation of air horns was the symbolic beginning of the end for steam power on the Norfolk and Western". Mr. Newton, thank you sir for preserving such a time. Gene A. Gloucester, Va. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Feb 9 16:59:01 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:59:01 EST Subject: N&W coal Movement in 1910 Message-ID: <15bcf.5dc0a729.38a334a5@aol.com> That coal From Fordson coal Co. at Twin Branch, WVA, was that a Ford Motor operation? K. Borg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Feb 9 20:51:44 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:51:44 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Portsmouth depot Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 31, 1910 TO ENLARGE DEPOT ------ Portsmouth People Hear Good News From Norfolk and Western From an unquestioned source it is learned that the Norfolk and Western Railway Company is planning to make extensive additions and improvements to the passenger station at Portsmouth early in the coming year, says the Times of that city. The plan is to enlarge the depot and add one and possible two more stories to the depot. Then the intention is to move the offices of Supt. J. T. Carey, and the dispatchers' offices will be moved from the terminals to the new depot, occupying the upper stories. The present quarters at the terminals will be used by the yard and shop officials. This is a move that will meet with hearty approval in all quarters and the company is to be congratulated on deciding to make the improvements. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 09:38:16 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:38:16 -0500 Subject: Archives session this week ? Message-ID: <540e48701002100638w3e049219h2ca0213a4b068ab@mail.gmail.com> Just checking about the scheduled session for this week and how far away from Roanoke up I-81 is the snow? Thanks. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 09:31:07 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:31:07 -0500 Subject: N&W coal Movement in 1910 References: <15bcf.5dc0a729.38a334a5@aol.com> Message-ID: <263681F7BB1E4212B4AC1B85BE94F184@DHKYT081> Yes. Ford Motor Company owned a number of mines in WV and KY under the Fordson name. Henry Ford's son (Ford Son), Edsel Ford was company president. Fordson bought the near 5,538 acre property from JBB (DEXCAR) Coal in 1923 When the UMW attempted to unionize the mines at Twin Branch in 1933, the mines were shut down, the houses were boarded up, and the property was essentially closed. Ford Motor Company sold the property to Darr Smokeless in 1944 and in 1948, Darr Smokeless leased the property to Jones & Laughlin Steel. J&L eventually acquired the property and operated it until 1957. My new book, "Billion Dollar Coalfield", which will be available through the NWHS Commissary this summer (if I ever finish the last two chapters), will cover all of the coal mines along the N&W in McDowell County, WV. Alex Schust ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:59 PM Subject: Re: N&W coal Movement in 1910 That coal From Fordson coal Co. at Twin Branch, WVA, was that a Ford Motor operation? K. Borg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 12:34:04 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:34:04 -0500 Subject: N&W Class TE-1 2300 References: Message-ID: <000901caaa77$3e5bbc70$e430fea9@lmnewton> Gene A, Thanks for your kind words about RAILS REMEMBERED, Volume 4, regarding "Jawn Henry." I regret that the account of it couldn't have had a happier ending. Louis Newton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 53, Issue 18 > Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. N&W Class T-1 2300 (NW Mailing List) > 2. Re: N&W coal Movement in 1910 (NW Mailing List) > 3. N&W in 1910--Portsmouth depot (NW Mailing List) > 4. Archives session this week ? (NW Mailing List) > 5. Re: N&W coal Movement in 1910 (NW Mailing List) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:48:14 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: N&W Class T-1 2300 > To: > Message-ID: <0200C4BF1F8B4FC3999872E50F4D9F6F at Gene> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A few months ago I asked some questions about the "Jawn Henry" turbine > engine # 2300. It was recommended that I read the "Rails Remembered" > volume 4 by Mr. Louis Newton. I am so glad that I followed that advice. > Mr. Newton, I felt as though I was standing, looking over your shoulder > while you so meticulously followed this project from drawing stage, > through erection, and through the experimental operation. Having been a > problem solving mechanical engineer myself, I can so appreciate you having > kept a journal. Even more striking is the sad story of the death of an era > of time that some of us will never forget. Example to quote the author > from page 867, " I have often thought that the instellation of air horns > was the symbolic beginning of the end for steam power on the Norfolk and > Western". > Mr. Newton, thank you sir for preserving such a time. > > Gene A. > Gloucester, Va. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 16:59:01 EST > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: N&W coal Movement in 1910 > To: mailing-list at nwhs.org > Message-ID: <15bcf.5dc0a729.38a334a5 at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That coal From Fordson coal Co. at Twin Branch, WVA, was that a Ford Motor > operation? > K. Borg > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:51:44 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: N&W in 1910--Portsmouth depot > To: "3N&W Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > August 31, 1910 > > TO ENLARGE DEPOT > ------ > Portsmouth People Hear Good News From Norfolk and Western > > From an unquestioned source it is learned that the Norfolk and Western > Railway Company is planning to make extensive additions and improvements > to the passenger station at Portsmouth early in the coming year, says the > Times of that city. > The plan is to enlarge the depot and add one and possible two more > stories to the depot. Then the intention is to move the offices of Supt. > J. T. Carey, and the dispatchers' offices will be moved from the terminals > to the new depot, occupying the upper stories. The present quarters at > the terminals will be used by the yard and shop officials. > This is a move that will meet with hearty approval in all quarters and > the company is to be congratulated on deciding to make the improvements. > ------ > Gordon Hamilton > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:38:16 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Archives session this week ? > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Message-ID: > <540e48701002100638w3e049219h2ca0213a4b068ab at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Just checking about the scheduled session for this week and how far > away from Roanoke up I-81 is the snow? > > Thanks. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:31:07 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: N&W coal Movement in 1910 > To: "NW Mailing List" , > > Message-ID: <263681F7BB1E4212B4AC1B85BE94F184 at DHKYT081> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Yes. Ford Motor Company owned a number of mines in WV and KY under the > Fordson name. Henry Ford's son (Ford Son), Edsel Ford was company > president. > > Fordson bought the near 5,538 acre property from JBB (DEXCAR) Coal in 1923 > > When the UMW attempted to unionize the mines at Twin Branch in 1933, the > mines were shut down, the houses were boarded up, and the property was > essentially closed. Ford Motor Company sold the property to Darr > Smokeless in 1944 and in 1948, Darr Smokeless leased the property to Jones > & Laughlin Steel. J&L eventually acquired the property and operated it > until 1957. > > My new book, "Billion Dollar Coalfield", which will be available through > the NWHS Commissary this summer (if I ever finish the last two chapters), > will cover all of the coal mines along the N&W in McDowell County, WV. > > Alex Schust > ----- Original Message ----- > From: NW Mailing List > To: mailing-list at nwhs.org > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: N&W coal Movement in 1910 > > > That coal From Fordson coal Co. at Twin Branch, WVA, was that a Ford > Motor operation? > K. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2679 - Release Date: 02/10/10 07:40:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 16:17:22 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:17:22 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Portsmouth depot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmmmm. Unquestioned. Portsmouth, Ohio. No station was ever enlarged in such a manner. The ex-Scioto Valley station/N&W at 16th and Chillicothe was not enlarged as such nor was the ex- CP&V station at 10th and Waller every changed to a two-story. Not until the large depot was built by US23 overpass were all of the division offices placed within a station. Gary Rolih Cincinnati. _____ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:52 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1910--Portsmouth depot Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 31, 1910 TO ENLARGE DEPOT ------ Portsmouth People Hear Good News From Norfolk and Western From an unquestioned source it is learned that the Norfolk and Western Railway Company is planning to make extensive additions and improvements to the passenger station at Portsmouth early in the coming year, says the Times of that city. The plan is to enlarge the depot and add one and possible two more stories to the depot. Then the intention is to move the offices of Supt. J. T. Carey, and the dispatchers' offices will be moved from the terminals to the new depot, occupying the upper stories. The present quarters at the terminals will be used by the yard and shop officials. This is a move that will meet with hearty approval in all quarters and the company is to be congratulated on deciding to make the improvements. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Feb 10 23:55:39 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:55:39 -0500 Subject: C&O Historical Society Train Show, February 20th, Clifton Forge Message-ID: Okay, it's not N&W, but a lot of you are interested in all three Pochahontas roads, and it's not all that far from Roanoke. So I'd like to plug the C&O Society's Train Show Saturay, February 20th, Clifton Forge Armory, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. We're going to have models of all sizes, sales tables, a consignment table, and antique appraisals (think Railroad Antiques Road Show). And all attendees will have their hand stamped and can visit the Heritage Center for free. So if you're in the area, please come by, have some fun, and see what the Society has accomplished (especially if you haven't been there in the last few years). Admission is $4 for adults, $2 for children 12 and under. Frank Bongiovanni -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Feb 11 08:48:37 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:48:37 -0500 Subject: "Takin' Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren by Skip Salmon Message-ID: <4B740AB5.7080907@vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with eight of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. We signed a Happy Birthday card for Bill Daniel, whose father was a carman on the VGN and his grandfather, George Daniel was Superintendent of the VGN New River Division. Bill was born on Valentine's day 1952. He brought his granddaughter, Kinsey and grandson Kenan, with him last night. I got several responses from last week's NS form SS2010 "Hurt Feeling" report, from other rail lines, individuals and one power company wanting a copy... Passed around were the Fall 2009 NRHS Bulletin and the January/February "Biz NS". The "Biz NS" was mainly about the health and wellness of NS employees with "Take a powerful path to a healthier lifestyle" article highlighting Mary Pitman, NS Manager Health Promotions. I asked the Brethren if the VGN had anything like this and Rufus Wingfield replied "we didn't even have a magazine". Jeff Sanders remembered when the WellNS Program began, large coolers of Gater-Aide were available to employees on hot summer days... The ebay report this time includes the following: 1939 VGN Timetable for $36.08; 20 small photos of VGN steam engines for $26.11; Slide of 2-8-2 #442 at Victoria for $20.51; Slide of EL-2B #127 $15.49; Photo of 1924 VGN wreck at Artsville, WV for $18.27 and a VGN short globe lantern serial #K3208 for $280.76. I told the Brethren about my regular Sunday afternoon watching of NFL football with the TV sound on "mute", and listening to "Back to the Blue Ridge", a bluegrass program on PBS radio. Last Sunday while watching the prelude to the Super bowl(WHO DAT), the blue grass show started with a very early version of "The Wreck of the Old 97". When the song got to the verse that normally says "It's a mighty rough road from Lynchburg to Danville, and lies on a three-mile grade", I heard something different. Originally, the line was "and Lima's on a three-mile grade". I asked the Brethren about this, and Landon Gregory had a very interesting story. As a teenager, he lived about a half-mile north of Danville, on State Route 41 near a road crossing on the old Southern Railway at the bottom of the White Oak Mountain grade called Lima (named after the bean?). He told of working for a tobacco farmer near the very spot in the song. His Dad ran a small store at Lima. The Southern line was moved later to where the NS line is today. Our own Landon Gregory, former VGN operator, wrecked his Dad's 1931 Model A Ford into a tree stump on the old road bed pretty close to where ex-N&W engineer Steve Brody was "whittling"(trying to make up lost time) and probably first realized he couldn't make the curve... The "Jewel from the Past", like one in Frank Breedlove's Hamilton model 992B, 21 jewel gold pocket watch, purchased in 1955 from the Southern Pawn Shop in Roanoke for $30, is from May 3, 2004: "Slick" Inge told of Bob Graham, VGN engineer, telling him about a fireman who was making his first run, west out of Roanoke on the VGN. When they went over the high bridge at Kegly (Blacklick Bridge) the fireman said "this is my last trip here. I don't like floating from mountain top to mountain top". He had to be carried back to Roanoke by automobile. NOTE: If you would like for your gold "Railroad Approved" jeweled pocketwatch to be featured in a future "Jewel from the Past", let me know by email at gkholine at cox.net. I need the brand, model, number of jewels, and anything interesting about the purchase or a story relating to the watch. Glen McLain told about a farmer being pulled over by a state trooper for speeding. As he was writing the ticket, flies began buzzing around the trooper's head. The farmer said, "Having trouble with circle flies there, are ya?" The trooper stopped writing and said "Well yeah, if that's what they are. I never heard of circle flies". The farmer says "circle flies are common on farms, circling around the back end of a horse". The trooper replies "are you trying to call me a horse's ass?". "Oh no, officer, I have too much respect for law enforcement officers to even think about that....hard to fool them flies, though". Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon __._,_.___ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Feb 11 11:49:41 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:49:41 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Portsmouth depot References: Message-ID: <0F090E561311411CB9FBCAF256900BDE@DellVostro> I think two quotes are appropriate based on Gary's comments.. Will Rogers, "All I know is what I read in the newspapers." Mark Twain, "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are mis-informed." The above is with apologies to a well-known railroad society friend who is a former newspaper reporter. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: RE: N&W in 1910--Portsmouth depot Hmmmmm. Unquestioned. Portsmouth, Ohio. No station was ever enlarged in such a manner. The ex-Scioto Valley station/N&W at 16th and Chillicothe was not enlarged as such nor was the ex- CP&V station at 10th and Waller every changed to a two-story. Not until the large depot was built by US23 overpass were all of the division offices placed within a station. Gary Rolih Cincinnati. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:52 PM To: 3N&W Mailing List Subject: N&W in 1910--Portsmouth depot Bluefield Daily Telegraph August 31, 1910 TO ENLARGE DEPOT ------ Portsmouth People Hear Good News From Norfolk and Western From an unquestioned source it is learned that the Norfolk and Western Railway Company is planning to make extensive additions and improvements to the passenger station at Portsmouth early in the coming year, says the Times of that city. The plan is to enlarge the depot and add one and possible two more stories to the depot. Then the intention is to move the offices of Supt. J. T. Carey, and the dispatchers' offices will be moved from the terminals to the new depot, occupying the upper stories. The present quarters at the terminals will be used by the yard and shop officials. This is a move that will meet with hearty approval in all quarters and the company is to be congratulated on deciding to make the improvements. ------ Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Feb 12 22:09:22 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:09:22 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Long train Message-ID: <7CE3D793FDCF4EB79DBF13BE0A8A2F00@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph September 2, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ----- Long Train Breaks in Two A hundred car train broke in two yesterday morning in the Hatfield tunnel, near Matewan, and train No. 2 was delayed for about two hours until the cars could be pulled out of the tunnel and chained together so that the train could proceed. None of the cars left the track and no one was injured. ------ [I knew from a 1915 Official Guide that No. 2 originated in Welch, meaning that it would not have passed through Hatfield tunnel, but reference to TT No. 18 (combined divisions), Eff. May 15, 1910, in the N&WHS Archives, showed that No. 2 originated in Williamson in that time period and would have passed through Hatfield tunnel.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 04:31:57 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:31:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: N&W "Mail Cars" Message-ID: <223458.57824.qm@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> N&W "Mail Cars" Friday, February 12, 2010 9:03 PM To: "Frank Scheer" Some int'g N&W pix here, including N&W "mail cars." http://trainweb.org/passengercars/Indices/N4.htm Especially see: http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?july05/07-21-05/N.+W.Mail_Car_No.293.jpg http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/attachments/20071104/72a16e4d/attachment.jpg February 13, 2010 Thanks for the referral, Abram.? Of particular interest are the views of N&W 332 and 333: http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1621.jpeg http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1620.jpeg The car appears to be a multiple-unit design. I wonder if an order for MU cars was canceled and the builder modified and sold it at a reduced rate, which the N&W purchased? Good morning, Frank From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 08:03:48 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:03:48 -0500 Subject: Atlavista passenger car Message-ID: <4B76A334.5010604@vt.edu> There is no passenger car in Altavista. There is a Virginian Caboose #344 at our train station. There was an inspection car named the Altavista which wrecked while in service on the Norfolk and Southern. From our information, this car was never rebuilt or repaired. At one time this inspection car was scheduled to come to Altavista for display but in lieu of the wreck, it was not possible. If you require any more information, please advise. Robert B. Carpenter, Jr > It has been reported that there is an old passenger car in Atlavista, Va. Does anyone know anything about it? > -- > jerry > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 08:36:51 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: N&W "Mail Cars" In-Reply-To: <1307615077.3761271266067819884.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <700004802.3763321266068211117.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> 333 was a baggage/mail car purchased from the Pennsylvania RR in 1934, having originally been built in 1914; it was N&W Class BMj and was totally dismantled (scrapped) at Roanoke Shops in September 1947. The photo of a baggage mail car numbered N&W 160 is not an original N&W car; I'd have to do some digging but it is probably a car inherited from the Wabash. Jim Brewer Glenwood MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "N&W Historical Society" Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 4:31:57 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: N&W "Mail Cars" N&W "Mail Cars" Friday, February 12, 2010 9:03 PM To: "Frank Scheer" Some int'g N&W pix here, including N&W "mail cars." http://trainweb.org/passengercars/Indices/N4.htm Especially see: http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?july05/07-21-05/N.+W.Mail_Car_No.293.jpg http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/attachments/20071104/72a16e4d/attachment.jpg February 13, 2010 Thanks for the referral, Abram.? Of particular interest are the views of N&W 332 and 333: http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1621.jpeg http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns1620.jpeg The car appears to be a multiple-unit design. ?I wonder if an order for MU cars was canceled and the builder modified and sold it at a reduced rate, which the N&W purchased? Good morning, Frank ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 08:55:19 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: N&W Mail Cars In-Reply-To: <97451311.3766461266068900222.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1976503287.3768851266069319235.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> After doing less digging that I thought I'd have too (as compared to shoveling snow!) my information indicates that N&W #160 was a former Wabash Car Tthe information I have suggests it was changed to N&W in March 1967 but retired in October 1968; in 1972 it was converted to a power car at Roanoke Shops and renumbered 409. I don't have a photograph of the car as N&W 409 but do have an equipment diagram.? That diagram identifies the car as former Wabash #454 built by St. Louis Car Company in 1934.? The equipment drawing shows that the two windows closest to the center of the car have been eliminated.? The diagram further indicates the car was upgraded in 1976-77 and used with Equipment Maintenance Instruction Car #401. Hope this helps. Jim Brewer Glenwood MD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 09:28:16 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:28:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Atlavista passenger car In-Reply-To: <4B76A334.5010604@vt.edu> Message-ID: <151446.70222.qm@web110814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> can anyone tell me if the Athearn 2 bay peaked end hoppers have the right numbers #34860? thanks. tony putnam --- On Sat, 2/13/10, NW Mailing List wrote: From: NW Mailing List Subject: Atlavista passenger car To: "NW Mailing List" Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:03 PM There is no passenger car in Altavista. There is a Virginian Caboose #344 at our train station. There was an inspection car named the Altavista which wrecked while in service on the Norfolk and Southern. From our information, this car was never rebuilt or repaired. At one time this inspection car was scheduled to come to Altavista for display but in lieu of the wreck, it was not possible. If you require any more information, please advise. Robert B. Carpenter, Jr > It has been reported that there is an old passenger car in Atlavista, Va.? Does anyone know anything about it? > -- > jerry > ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 16:36:56 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:36:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Boxes on station buildings Message-ID: <539277.9696.qm@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, all: Here's one of the better views of Blue Ridge station that I've seen. There are three boxes visible that are attached to the side or front of the operator's bay. The left-most one is the telephone box, then what I expect to be a waybill box. Any thoughts what the small box is on the front of the bay windown, below the train order rods? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=250579793627 Also, I've ordinarily seen Railway Express Agency (REA) signs mounted by a freight room door. It's interesting to that the REA sign at Blue Ridge was above the operator's windows and there is no Western Union sign. Good afternoon, Frank Scheer f_scheer at yahoo.com From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Feb 13 21:40:46 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:40:46 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Passenger items Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph September 8, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Passenger Traffic Heavy The summer visitors are coming and going in droves now. Every day trains are crowded and many of the through trains are carrying extra coaches. The trains which make local stops seem to never have room enough for the crowds and for the past two weeks there has been no sign of a let up. ------ Coaches for Circus Crowd Eleven extra cars were taken out on the Clinch yesterday and will be used today to haul passengers who want to come to this city on the circus excursion. The railroad people expect to see the train crowded. ------ [It's difficult for our generation to realize the essential role played by passenger trains before automobiles became commonplace.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 09:22:51 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:22:51 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Contract Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph September 8, 1910 LET CONTRACT SOON ------ Harper Hill Curves on Virginian Railway to be Revised The contract for the revision of the Harper Hill curves on the Virginian will be let shortly. The work will revise about four miles of track and do away with the wooden trestles in that region which will be replaced with steel viaducts. It is the plan of the road to at once commence the work of replacing every wooden trestle on the line with steel viaducts. This work will take the better part of the next two years and will make the road a great deal safer from a traffic standpoint. It is also said on good authority that the Virginian will enter Beckley, but no date has been set so far as can be learned for this entry into the Raleigh county capital. The wooden trestle at Slab Fork is to be replaced at once with a steel viaduct. This is one of the highest trestles on the entire line. ------ [A VGN track chart shows Harper to be 23.9 miles west of Mullens at the apex of a climb from both directions and Slab Fork to be 11.2 miles west of Mullens on the westbound climb to Jenny Gap, both on the main line to Deepwater.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 13:39:20 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:39:20 -0500 Subject: FW: Train watching in Norfolk Message-ID: <102B76D92B85415BBB7C2628DE76EABE@071927350f> Guys: If anyone around Norfolk would put together a synopsis for me and Mr. Cornelius, I would appreciate it. Gary Rolih Secretary N&WHS _____ From: Frank Cornelius [mailto:efcornelius at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:04 PM To: info at nwhs.org Subject: Train watching in Norfolk My wife and I will be in Roanoke May 19-21, 2010, and are contemplating going on to Norfolk. Is there someone in your organization who could tell us about train watching in Norfolk? We would be most appreciative for any guidance you can provide. FYI, my son and I rode the 611 over Tallulah Gorge, GA; with the 1522 to Rome, GA; and the last excursion up Saluda Grade. How we miss her . Frank Cornelius Bluewater, MI Chapter NRHS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Feb 14 17:47:21 2010 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:47:21 -0500 Subject: Train watching in Norfolk In-Reply-To: <102B76D92B85415BBB7C2628DE76EABE@071927350f> References: <102B76D92B85415BBB7C2628DE76EABE@071927350f> Message-ID: <8CC7BDECD56EDA4-496C-193D7@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> I'd be interested too. I have a daughter that has moved to Portsmouth and I be interested in knowing more about the area. Chuck Stewart Bahama, NC -----Original Message----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2010 1:39 pm Subject: FW: Train watching in Norfolk Guys: If anyone around Norfolk would put together a synopsis for me and Mr. Cornelius, I would appreciate it. Gary Rolih Secretary N&WHS From: Frank Cornelius [mailto:efcornelius at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:04 PM To: info at nwhs.org Subject: Train watching in Norfolk My wife and I will be in Roanoke May 19-21, 2010, and are contemplating going on to Norfolk. Is there someone in your organization who could tell us about train watching in Norfolk? We would be most appreciative for any guidance you can provide. FYI, my son and I rode the 611 over Tallulah Gorge, GA; with the 1522 to Rome, GA; and the last excursion up Saluda Grade. How we miss her ? Frank Cornelius Bluewater, MI Chapter NRHS ________________________________________ W-Mailing-List at nwhs.org o change your subscription go to ttp://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list rowse the NW-Mailing-List archives at ttp://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: