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Don,
I stand corrected, the exuberance of standing between cars and getting soot 
in your face made me think of coal. Thanks for the correction.
John Lisica
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>A little question to the writer who went on UP's Frontier Days.  He said 

>there was nothing like getting coal dust in his face.  Doesn't the UP steam 

>program use OIL?  The reason I say this is due to the UP steam engine that 

>was renumbered for the Clinchfield one year for the Santa Train.  Don Mills

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>>I don't remember which magazine had an interview with Mr. Lee, who ran 

>>UP's Steam program at the time but Mr. Lee stated that he had to justify 

>>the expenditures for the steam program. It isn't carte blanche. If the 

>>steam program didn't benefit UP from a business point of view it wouldn't 

>>exist. I live in Albuquerque and every summer I take my grandson on UP's 

>>Frontier Days Steam excursion from Denver to Cheyenne and back. Nothing 

>>like getting coal ash in your face. There are over seven hundred seats 

>>available at a minimum of $325.00 per seat with dome cars costing about 

>>$375.00 and that doesn't even come close to what it costs UP to put on 

>>that shindig. Repeat riders get first dibs, but still all the seats are 

>>sold out within two hours of being made available to the general public. 

>>Also remember who got the US Government to put a hold on CN from grabbing 

>>up a number of small U.S. RRs.........NS.

>> John Lisica #2073

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>>> NW Mailing List wrote:

>>> > Many of my dealings with Norfolk Southern show me that they are

>>> interested in history. They often support our historic organizations.

>>>

>>> Not to be too cynical about it, but I have trouble believing that 

>>> Norfolk Southern cares about ANYTHING other than the bottom line and 

>>> quarterly dividends for the shareholders.  If they are supporting 

>>> historic organizations, it is because it's a great way to make the 

>>> bottom line look good at the end of the quarter.  They made low interest 

>>> loans available to employees who lost their homes in the Atlanta floods. 

>>> Was that corporate goodwill, or trying to keep from having to re-hire 

>>> and re-train to replace employees who had no place to live?  Being 

>>> "good" can often be profitable - it's still good, but the motive is less 

>>> so, and deplorable when the result is presented to the world as 

>>> charitable.

>>>

>>> By contrast, Union Pacific makes an effort to display, share, and take 

>>> pride in its own heritage.  I'm sure it costs money, but I think the 

>>> public, and definitely the model railroad and railfan communities, 

>>> appreciate the heritage paint schemes and active steam program.  I 

>>> cannot comment as an insider there, as I can for NS, but I get the 

>>> impression that they value their image in the world, and actually do 

>>> care about their own history.

>>> -- 

>>> Kenneth Rickman - krickman1 at carolina.rr.com

>>> Salisbury, NC

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