From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Dec 7 12:12:33 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:12:33 -0500 Subject: abandoned tunnels References: <6A0CE3D6B7304FB88DC2A92FAFA3E173@Jimmy><002701ca3e1c$106e7040$314b50c0$@net><000601ca3e4f$829d8420$87d88c60$@net><5E7F66343CC544D0A77900F3A32F517B@YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910133F8C4FE@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <002601ca7760$79111990$6500a8c0@Dad> That would explain why the floor of the first tunnel looks so well-graded and clear, which puzzled me. Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: RE: abandoned tunnels I was at one of these tunnels during July thanks to an N&W maintainer (I knew from High School in Narrows) telling me about it. This old tunnel was reopened to allow the railway a means of following the right of way with MofW and signal dept trucks and equipment due to the centering of the single track mainline in the (active) once double track Eggleston Tunnel to support Heartland Corridor clearance requirements. Centering the track in the tunnel did not leave room for non rail equipment to pass through so opening the old tunnel was performed. I didn't walk completely through it due to not having a flashlight. I would assume both may have been opened and cleared for this reason? I didn't see the second tunnel. 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Dec 7 14:08:45 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:08:45 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Eyewitness account Message-ID: <3D74AEDE74F845B999BC15F472FE60E1@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 24, 1910 MOUNTAIN SECTION OF VIRGINIAN RAILWAY ------ Coal Trade Journal Says Princeton is Destined to Become Important Point F. S. W. in Coal Trade Journal: In view of all that has been said in regard to the Virginian Railway, it must be admitted that the commencement of the line at Deepwater, W. Va., something like two hours' ride east from Charleston, the state capital, makes rather an inauspicious introduction to the important undertaking that the road admittedly is. At this little wayside point one sees no apparent signs of the great enterprise that lies beyond, and the condition of affairs indicates very plainly that for the time being the management has no thoughts of an extension to the lakes, as was so frequently referred to a year or more ago. As a matter of fact, the road from Deepwater in about as far as Eccles is simply such a coal region branch as other companies have laid down from time to time without thought of adding 400 miles to its length or constructing any portion of a trunk line. Imagine, the Bull Hill branch of the Erie laid with heavy rails, and one has a fair idea of this portion of the road, and the old original Deepwater line, dating back to its origin to about 1898. Some side tracks are now being built, but apparently no great amount of attention is paid to this portion of the road, for some broken cars, remains of wrecks, are to be seen; the ditches through the cuts are not cleaned of the debris that has fallen down through the winter, and the stations are either very small or are non-existent, the train simply stopping at a designated point after the manner of an inter-urban trolley. There are no signs showing the names of any of the stations, and inquiry is the only means of knowing where one may be at a designated moment. The coal and coke operations at Page present a business like appearance, and the store and office buildings at Herberton show up well--quite the most attractive place on this part of the line, it might be said. As one rides further along and gets into the section from which coal begins to move to tidewater in larger volume an improvement in conditions is to be noted, and it is seen that considerable ballasting is in progress. As is generally known, this part of the country is rugged, and the railroad lines twist around remarkably. The Chesapeake & Ohio has a branch into Virginian territory, which approaches the line at Eccles and continues on some three or four miles to Lester; while the Norfolk and Western has a branch in from Bluestone Junction to Matoaka and to mines beyond. This leaves a comparatively limited distance in which the Virginian Railway is the only means of communication with the outside world. The part of the road between Eccles and Jenny Gap was somewhat hastily built, in order to secure possession in advance of the Chesapeake & Ohio of the all-important right-of-way through that section. This secured, the builders of the road could proceed more leisurely, and beyond Mullens one has evidence of the good construction upon which rests the fame of the Virginian Railway. From this point on the complimentary allusions are altogether appropriate and well-deserved, and while necessarily in the case of a new line the road-bed is a little soft and fast running is not to be indulged in, the line gives promise of a great future and is quite a different undertaking from the old original route in from Deepwater, whereon wooden trestles are quite frequent. Notwithstanding the newness of the work on this part of the line, it is said that steps are already under consideration for certain improvements, with a view to securing still easier grades and avoiding or reducing certain curves. We notice some little peculiarities in management, in that time-tables seem to be scarce. The road issues an attractive illustrated folder, but none of these could be had at Charleston or elsewhere, apparently. And, for another thing, the club car on the train presented a somewhat undignified appearance with one of its windows mended by attaching a block of wood on either side of a broken glass, but possibly this was only temporary. Princeton, which is twelve miles from Bluefield, is destined to be the most important point on the mountain section of the road. Here large shops are being erected, and the size thereof is in most notable contrast to the small buildings which one sees at characteristic coal-region towns. While Princeton is a very old place, being the county seat of Mercer county, it has taken on new life and is being practically reconstructed by reason of the great increase in population and industrial activity that will follow the opening up of the large shops of the railroad company at this point. The old county roads which served as streets have been re-graded and while they are very rough at the present time, the local gossip is to the effect that macadamizing is to be put under way at once and reference is made to a water system and other modern improvements. There is already a trolley line running one car back and forth between the court house and the station, and altogether Princeton seems to be one of the coming places of that section of the state. There are some who say that this is the best point at which to transfer for Bluefield. One is told at various places that there is an automobile stage line between the two points, but this is not altogether a certainty, depending quite properly upon whether the automobile is in running order. We had to make the trip by hack, and while the road was [a] very fair one for a mountain district, the ride is long and probably the transfer at Pearisburg, as heretofore mentioned in the Journal, is as good a way as any by which to make connections. Every one has some suggestion to make in regard to the best place for changing from one road to the other, but none of them is easy and probably the best plan is not to arrange for any such joint service excepting in case of necessity, for the railroad schedules by no means favor joint traffic arrangements. Riding east on the Norfolk and Western the Virginian is in sight for miles at a time and some fine work can be seen. Concrete culverts and foundations are much in evidence and the two bridges crossing the New River are splendid structures. There are a few wooden trestles here, also, but in general the construction is of the most advanced type. ------ [I wonder why the writer left the Virginian at Princeton and took the N&W east of Bluefield instead of continuing on the Virginian.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Dec 7 16:56:20 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:56:20 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--injury In-Reply-To: <175437.75674.qm@web180412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <175437.75674.qm@web180412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC459F3E89D6BE-7F70-454@webmail-m010.sysops.aol.com> Can't speak for 'now', but it was common during the 19th century.? One of my books has a cartoon; man shown applying for a job on the RR.? The official turns to ask a third person if anyone was 'seriously injured this week'.? The answer 'no' prompted this response -'?come back next week and there's sure to be a vacancy by then'.? Truth is, few RR brakemen had a long career in that position.? High accident rate from crushed hands (especially with link and pin coupling); caught between cars; falling from roofwalk.? Industrial safety was not really promoted until the 20th century. ? Jerome Crosson -----Original Message----- From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 10:22 am Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--injury An interesting commentary between "then" and "now" is how Engineer Shelton is laid off work due to a work-related injury. Can that still happen on the railroads? It is unthinkable in my industry (hazardous waste cleanup), at least with my company. ? John Samples From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> To: 3N&W Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 7:59:34 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--injury Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 8, 1910 ? IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Engineer Slightly Injured ??? Engineer R. I. Shelton was slightly injured yesterday afternoon by being struck in the neck by a piece of an exploded torpedo as his train was passing Cleveland, Va.? He was relieved at St. Paul and will return to this city on No. 12 today.? Other than a lay off for several days Engineer Shelton is all right, a fact his many friends will be glad to learn. ------ [The attached photo of a track torpedo shows the two lead straps that are bent to secure the torpedo to the rail head.? I remember being told not to stand near a torpedo because the explosion could send the straps flying.? That is obviously why N&W operating Rule 15 states, in part, "Torpedoes must not be placed at stations or one public crossings."? Apparently, Engineer Shelton was leaning out the cab window and got hit by one of the flying torpedo straps.] ? Gordon Hamilton ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Dec 7 18:10:40 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:10:40 -0500 Subject: Abandoned tunnels In-Reply-To: <1392009746.5967421260119803786.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1392009746.5967421260119803786.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910133F8C50F@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> The tunnels have been part of the original N&W New River Division right of way (Radford to Bluefield/Pocahontas) that was completed in 1883 extending the N&W Railroad into the Pocahontas Coalfields from the former VA & TN at Radford. I'm at work and don't have reference materials with me so I don't have the actual dates but the right of way was improved/better aligned and double tracked over time (early 1900's I believe??..I'll look it up tonight when I get to the house) and these tunnels were abandoned. Looking at Google Earth Maps the second tunnel appears to be at a location west (nearer Pembroke) from the one I was at in July (barely west of Eggleston). Next time I get back to God's country to visit I'm going to take a look at this second tunnel too. It appears relatively accessible by road. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, VA From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:17 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Abandoned tunnels Andy, Do we know who's tunnels those were ooriginally? . . . . mainline or local branch trackage? Neat stuff to find. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 12:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Dec 7 20:02:37 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:02:37 -0500 Subject: Abandoned tunnels References: <1392009746.5967421260119803786.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910133F8C50F@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <4ADE1164930B4D2BBB2669BE27CF7B14@DellVostro> In early 2008 (1/5/2008, 1/17/2008, 1/18/2008, 5/29/2008) I posted several articles from the Bluefield Daily Telegraph about Eggleston tunnels, and some cave-in accidents. My comments on the new tunnels were: The First Eggleston Tunnel was replaced by a double-track tunnel on new location, length 893 feet as reported in the 1906 Annual Report. The work referred to in the above article could have been in connection with the doubletracking that was probably underway in 1903 because it was reported in the 1906 Annual Report as almost finished from Eggleston to Pembroke, 6 miles. Finally, The second Eggleston tunnel was replaced by a double track tunnel on new location, length 1176 feet according to the 1907 Annual Report.] The full text of these messages should be archived on the N&WHS website. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: RE: Abandoned tunnels The tunnels have been part of the original N&W New River Division right of way (Radford to Bluefield/Pocahontas) that was completed in 1883 extending the N&W Railroad into the Pocahontas Coalfields from the former VA & TN at Radford. I'm at work and don't have reference materials with me so I don't have the actual dates but the right of way was improved/better aligned and double tracked over time (early 1900's I believe??..I'll look it up tonight when I get to the house) and these tunnels were abandoned. Looking at Google Earth Maps the second tunnel appears to be at a location west (nearer Pembroke) from the one I was at in July (barely west of Eggleston). Next time I get back to God's country to visit I'm going to take a look at this second tunnel too. It appears relatively accessible by road. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, VA From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:17 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Abandoned tunnels Andy, Do we know who's tunnels those were ooriginally? . . . . mainline or local branch trackage? Neat stuff to find. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 12:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." 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(obviously a less than proficient job as I was multi-tasking watching Monday night football) If I remember correctly, the map accompanying the 1911 Annual Report was the first Annual Report that I had showing double track from Roanoke all the way to Bluefield (except for the area west of Walton - ~ 2 miles; Bluff to Cowan heading west - where the railway crosses the New River on a single track bridge and goes through single track Cowan Tunnel - this is the only section of the current N&W right of way between Roanoke and Bluefield that has never been double tracked). Best Regards, Ed Painter - Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:03 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Abandoned tunnels In early 2008 (1/5/2008, 1/17/2008, 1/18/2008, 5/29/2008) I posted several articles from the Bluefield Daily Telegraph about Eggleston tunnels, and some cave-in accidents. My comments on the new tunnels were: The First Eggleston Tunnel was replaced by a double-track tunnel on new location, length 893 feet as reported in the 1906 Annual Report. The work referred to in the above article could have been in connection with the double tracking that was probably underway in 1903 because it was reported in the 1906 Annual Report as almost finished from Eggleston to Pembroke, 6 miles. Finally, The second Eggleston tunnel was replaced by a double track tunnel on new location, length 1176 feet according to the 1907 Annual Report.] The full text of these messages should be archived on the N&WHS website. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: RE: Abandoned tunnels The tunnels have been part of the original N&W New River Division right of way (Radford to Bluefield/Pocahontas) that was completed in 1883 extending the N&W Railroad into the Pocahontas Coalfields from the former VA & TN at Radford. I'm at work and don't have reference materials with me so I don't have the actual dates but the right of way was improved/better aligned and double tracked over time (early 1900's I believe??..I'll look it up tonight when I get to the house) and these tunnels were abandoned. Looking at Google Earth Maps the second tunnel appears to be at a location west (nearer Pembroke) from the one I was at in July (barely west of Eggleston). Next time I get back to God's country to visit I'm going to take a look at this second tunnel too. It appears relatively accessible by road. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, VA From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:17 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Abandoned tunnels Andy, Do we know who's tunnels those were ooriginally? . . . . mainline or local branch trackage? Neat stuff to find. 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 8 17:44:05 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:44:05 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Two accidents Message-ID: The second article included here was immediately below the first article in the same column. Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 24, 1910 PECULIAR ACCIDENT WILL PROVE FATAL ------ Flareback Causes Fireman to Jump From Engine Fracturing Skull Yesterday afternoon a peculiar but serious accident occurred at Honaker tunnel which will no doubt result in the death of Firemen G. G. Etter. He was fireman on an engine pulling Clinch extra west with Lee Hutchinson as engineer. Just as the train was entering the tunnel, and while Etter had the fire box open, there was a flare back and a sheet of flame flashed in the young man's face severely burning him. In as effort to avoid the flames or by reason of the pain the burns caused he either fell or jumped from the engine, and sustained a fracture of the skull and other serious bruises and curs. He was brought to this city on No. 6 and taken to the Bluefield Sanatorium. He is no doubt fatally injured and may succumb in a few hours. Etter had been on the road about two years. His home is in the western section of the city near Graham. [I wonder if the engineer abruptly shut off steam as the engine entered the tunnel, killing the draft through the firebox, at the same time that the motion of the engine entering the tunnel compressed the air in the tunnel, causing a high pressure in the exhaust stack, which forced air back into the firebox.] ------ CHAS. HARMAN KILLED IN PECULIAR MANNER ------ Thrown From Horse to Railway Track and Train Passed Without Touching Him Charles Harman was killed yesterday in a peculiar manner. He was riding along the railroad tracks between War and Rift and his horse got one of its feet wedged in between two cross ties. The horse began rearing and plunging to extricate itself and Harman tumbled from his back striking his head against a rail and rolled to the center of the track where he lay in an unconscious condition. A passenger train passed entirely over the spot where he was lying before it could be stopped. When the train crew and passengers ran back to where Harman was lying it was found that he train had not touched him. He died, however, in an hour from the injury received by falling against the rail. Harman is from Tazewell county and leaves a wife and one child. He was twenty-five years of age. ------ [This is another accident that apparently happened because the railroad right-of-way provided the best path in a territory where there were few roads.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 8 22:59:57 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:59:57 -0500 Subject: Fink Deck Truss Railroad Bridge In Lynchburg, Va. Message-ID: <20091209040010.PZHT1916.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Good morning Blue Ridge Chapter Members and Friends, Our "Blue Ridge Dispatcher" newsletter Editor Garland Harper sent this article to me. It's very interesting and is a story of historical significance. Please feel free to pass it on to your friends. Merry Christmas, Norris Deyerle National Director Blue Ridge Chapter, NRHS http://www.lynchburgva.gov/Index.aspx?page=4785 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 9 18:37:28 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:37:28 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--injury In-Reply-To: <175437.75674.qm@web180412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <6274B8D42EDF42C5A9FD4316F840D939@DellVostro> <175437.75674.qm@web180412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B2034B8.3040907@verizon.net> I had to pick up a suicide by train this morning. I was splashed in the face with blood, so my Emergency Department treats me like a war hero (something us Viet Nam era guys know too little about). But my sympathies go to the loco engineer who will need Post Traumatic Stress treatments. I hope he gets the time he needs, paid! Tom Cosgrove NW Mailing List wrote: > An interesting commentary between "then" and "now" is how Engineer > Shelton is laid off work due to a work-related injury. Can that still > happen on the railroads? It is unthinkable in my industry (hazardous > waste cleanup), at least with my company. > > John Samples > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* NW Mailing List > *To:* 3N&W Mailing List > *Sent:* Wed, December 2, 2009 7:59:34 PM > *Subject:* N&W in 1910--injury > > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > June 8, 1910 > > IN CITY AND COALFIELD > ------ > *Engineer Slightly Injured* > Engineer R. I. Shelton was slightly injured yesterday afternoon by > being struck in the neck by a piece of an exploded torpedo as his > train was passing Cleveland, Va. He was relieved at St. Paul and will > return to this city on No. 12 today. Other than a lay off for several > days Engineer Shelton is all right, a fact his many friends will be > glad to learn. > ------ > [/The attached photo of a track torpedo shows the two lead straps that > are bent to secure the torpedo to the rail head. I remember being > told not to stand near a torpedo because the explosion could send the > straps flying. That is obviously why N&W operating Rule 15 states, in > part, "Torpedoes must not be placed at stations or one public > crossings." Apparently, Engineer Shelton was leaning out the cab > window and got hit by one of the flying torpedo straps./] > > Gordon Hamilton > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -- Tom Cosgrove N2VFK NREMT-B SKYWARN Spotter LME002 Red Cross Disaster Volunteer since 1995 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 9 21:51:29 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:51:29 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Heavy tonnage Message-ID: <55D1A09558AA45DF8F4540508561FEA0@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 26, 1910 COAL TONNAGE HAS NEVER BEEN SO LARGE ------ Norfolk and Western Hurrying Double Tracking to Meet Requisition for 20,000 Tons a Day Interviews with officials of the Norfolk and Western Railway quote them as saying that never have they had so large a tonnage, most of which is west bound. A large part of this is due to the fact that the United States Coal and Coke Company is shipping coal to Gary, Indiana, for use in the by-product coke ovens there, and the magnification of that plant, which is now in progress, and which is to be made to a unit of sixteen blast furnaces of large capacity, means a greatly enlarged shipment of coal from the Pocahontas field, the coal of which is used in commixion [sic] with Indiana and Illinois coals for the making of coke. It is whispered, says the Coal and Coke Operator, that it is to meet the increased demands for coal for this purpose by the Gary furnaces that the Norfolk & Western has ordered 5,000 60-ton steel cars. It is further whispered that the daily shipments will aggregate not less that 20,000 tons, and that officials of the road have been apprised of this requirement and have been admonished to increase their car equipment and to hurry the double tracking of the road to the westward from Gary [WV] in order to afford regularity of delivery. In this connection, it is declared that H. C. Frick is the largest individual holder of the shares of the Norfolk and Western road, and he is also a heavy holder of Pennsylvania Railroad shares, which railroad is accredited with more than fifty-one per cent of the outstanding number of shares [of N&W]. It is not wondered at, therefore, that President James McCrea of the Pennsylvania and Mr. Frick, who is a director of it, were tourists over the Norfolk and Western during last week in a special car and train, the train stopping at out-of-the-way points in order that they might survey the situation visually. This is interpreted to mean a hurrying up this work...[Microfilm hopelessly blurred.]...from Bluefield westward it is to meet this requisition for 20,000 tons of coal a day that work is being expedited in the opening of the No. 13 mine for the United States Coal and Coke Company. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 10 06:17:16 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:17:16 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--injury References: <6274B8D42EDF42C5A9FD4316F840D939@DellVostro><175437.75674.qm@web180412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B2034B8.3040907@verizon.net> Message-ID: I remember sometime in the mid to late 40's my Dad going to court because the engine and train that he was on ran over a little girl near Welch, W.Va. I'm not sure which side of the cab he was on at that time. The little girl lived several days before dieing. In those days "Post traumatic stress treatments" was not included. The toll on him was very evident. By the way Tom, I thank you and the "Viet Nam era guys" for all that you had to endured, here and there.. Gene Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: N&W in 1910--injury I had to pick up a suicide by train this morning. I was splashed in the face with blood, so my Emergency Department treats me like a war hero (something us Viet Nam era guys know too little about). But my sympathies go to the loco engineer who will need Post Traumatic Stress treatments. I hope he gets the time he needs, paid! Tom Cosgrove -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 10 08:58:29 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:58:29 -0500 Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren Message-ID: <4B20FE85.6000000@vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with six of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. I passed a Thank You card around from the Miller Family, for the Brethren's contribution to the Roanoke Chapter NRHS, in Memory of Ken's Father, Elbert Miller. Landon brought a couple photos he took on Car 9 of "yours truly" and VGN surveyor Dewey Houch, on the Bluefield excursion on November 7, helping our passengers. We are already working on next year's trains. Looks like we will be running on the first week end in November again, but the destinations are still being discussed. Make plans now to keep the first weekend in November open on your ca lender for another great train adventure. I know one of the priorities is, if we go to Bluefield, we want to come back to Roanoke on the old Virginian. I asked Raymond East, who actually used a short handled shovel to fire Virginian Railway steam locomotives, if he ever heard of the VGN using two firemen on Mallet Locos before they got automatic feeders. He just laughed and said that he was always the "lone ranger" on his runs. It has been reported that early on, the VGN and N&W perhaps hired two firemen, one right handed and one left handed, to fire the bigger firebox locos. Passed around was the photo that Delbert K. Whitlow of Kelleysville, sent to ask for identification of three of the men in the January 1966 shot of a crew standing beside an N&W caboose. Already identified was second from the left in the photo, Noah Curtis Whitlow. When the Brethren were asked, at least three thought that Noah Curtis Whitlow was Frank or Granville Royster. However they did not know any of the other three. I am forwarding this photo to Princeton for further study and will ask Louis Newton about it at the N&WHS Archives today. I showed the Brethren the shorthand of Dave Williams, N&WHS web site contributor, who signs each email "Bit 1962, c/n 4" and asked the Brethren if they "knew the code". Landon almost got it when he answered "Looks like markings on a coal car...maybe 'Built 1962'". Ruf Wingfield added that the second part maybe his serial number. The second part, "c/n 4" is for Construction Number 4...fourth child. We discussed Gordon Hamilton's 1910 "Bluefield Daily Telegraph" story about a VGN wreck between Eggleston and Pembroke when the tender, one baggage car, two day coaches and the club car were derailed in such a manner that they "lay against the bank". The train was either going to or coming from a ball game in Roanoke. The article indicated that no one was injured. The Brethren who worked across Reserve Ave from Victory Stadium and Maher Field remembered many such ball games being played in Roanoke. Ruf Wingfield commented "the reason no one was hurt was they were probably all full of hooch". We discussed this Saturday's Candy Cane Switcher train rides at the Roanoke Industrial Park from 9A to 4P. All are invited to ride on the N&W Caboose pulled with our EMD GP-30 #522. Also we have several ex-VGN cars for all to see. Someone mentioned Johnny Cash who made a movie on the Southern 4501 and his famous song "A Boy Named Sue". Ruf and Raymond almost simultaneously recalled two men who worked for the VGN who were named "Suzie". One was Roy Shrewsbury, a VGN brakeman who was famous for dressing very neatly, and never getting dirty even on the "crummies". The other was Elbert A. Baum, a General Yardmaster at Sewells Point. On Tuesday night, our local CBS Station WDBJ7 ran an article showing that of the 2200 or so Salvation Army "Angels" from "Angel Trees", only about 350 had been returned to provide needy children with a Christmas. The recession and bad times were given as the reasons for this years slow response. I appealed to the Brethren and with their help, The Friends of the Virginian Railway will provide money to this program. We all have seen in the news lately about a famous golfer who drives a Cadillac Escalade. It was pointed out last night that our own Landon Gregory plays golf and drives a Cadillac Escalade. One of the Brethren asked Landon "When Sondra (Landon's wife) disciplines you, does she use an iron or a wood"? He answered, "Lately I've kept all my clubs locked up". Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon __._,_.___ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 10 09:40:22 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:40:22 -0500 Subject: Display Models Message-ID: <1C82A58831354DDF87C7CA178B7FA1A7@LittleRedHugPC> Good morning, I received an e-mail from a gentleman asking the following question: > My grandfather, William (Bill) Loeffler, scratch-built several model electric locomotives that were displayed in N & W offices and windows. Do you have any knowledge, photos or other info on these. My father knew of one held by a private collector back in the 1980s who would not even let him see it! < I'm posting this to the modeling group as well. If anyone has any information about these, could you please let me know at: hughes at nwhs.org Thanks, and happy holidays, Laura Hughes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 10 20:08:14 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:08:14 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Firemen Message-ID: <5EA6764D0741425CAF335EB55D14D450@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 28, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Engineers May Become Firemen A report is going the rounds of shop track talk which claims that as a result of less loading throughout the field and on account of the new Mallet engines, thirty engineers are to be put back to firing on the Pocahontas division. No one in authority can verify the story which seems to have the usual shop track talk backing. It is a known fact that since the twelve big Pacific type engines have been put in service and the ten Mallets have got to work many of the engineers have seen that sooner or later they would have to go back to firing. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 10 20:46:39 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:46:39 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--injury In-Reply-To: References: <6274B8D42EDF42C5A9FD4316F840D939@DellVostro><175437.75674.qm@web180412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B2034B8.3040907@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4B21A47F.8090803@verizon.net> Thanks to Gene (and others). NW Mailing List wrote: > I remember sometime in the mid to late 40's my Dad going to court > because the engine and train that he was on ran over a little girl > near Welch, W.Va. I'm not sure which side of the cab he was on at that > time. The little girl lived several days before dieing. In those days > "Post traumatic stress treatments" was not included. The toll on him > was very evident. > By the way Tom, I thank you and the "Viet Nam era guys" for all that > you had to endured, here and there.. > > Gene Arnold > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* NW Mailing List > *To:* NW Mailing List > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: N&W in 1910--injury > > I had to pick up a suicide by train this morning. I was splashed > in the face with blood, so my Emergency Department treats me like > a war hero (something > us Viet Nam era guys know too little about). But my sympathies go > to the loco engineer who will need Post Traumatic Stress treatments. > > I hope he gets the time he needs, paid! > > Tom Cosgrove > > >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -- Tom Cosgrove N2VFK NREMT-B SKYWARN Spotter LME002 Red Cross Disaster Volunteer since 1995 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 10 23:01:03 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:01:03 -0500 Subject: Pullman uniform Message-ID: <20091211040120.OKIP1916.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Greetings All, I received a call from Angela Fitzgerald who works at the International Civil Rights Center and Museum in Greensboro, North Carolina. They are looking for a Pullman Porter's Uniform form the 40's, 50's, or 60's. Does anyone know where they might be able to purchase or borrow an original or a quality reproduction? Thank you for any help you can give her. Her contact information is: Angela W. Fitzgerald Visitor Services International Civil Rights Center and Museum 301 North Elm Street, Suite 303 Greensboro, NC 27401 Phone: 336-274-9199 Email: afitzgerald at sitinmovement.org Happy Holidays to all!!! Susan Loveman From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 11 08:40:52 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:40:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: A class and Lightweight rods Message-ID: <648474.32751.qm@web23906.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Were the lightweight rods applied to the last A's a successful application? How was success measured and what was the business / operational reason behind it? What other changes to the locomotive were required to accomodate the rods? Matt Goodman Columbus OH From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 11 12:09:50 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:09:50 -0500 Subject: A class and Lightweight rods References: <648474.32751.qm@web23906.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7C8D9A9C2EC44145BE353046E2013B95@lewisdl0ls5whv> Matt, The last five A's when built, numbers 1238-42, were equipped with the lightweight rods and reciprocating parts with roller bearing connections to enhance long distance running. They were very successful and were built primarly for troop train and passenger service, when needed. The Class J's were all equipped with this type of rods and bearings allowing them to be assigned to Roanoke and dispatched to Norfolk and Cincinnati on these runs with a minimum of servicing. The five A's could perform similarly on extended runs on troop and passenger service. Beginning in 1955 with the inauguration of time freights 77 and 78, these engines ran to Petersburg and back to Roanoke, and also between Roanoke and Portsmouth, without engine change. Official N&W literature stated that the Timken lightweight reciprocating parts resulted in a weight reduction of 38 percent from the original type used. The advantages listed was greater reliability, increased availability, lower roundhouse maintenance cost, reduction of hammer blow on the rails, and longer runs without lubrication servicing. The only other modification required was the counterweights on the driving wheels had to be changed. There was an increased cost to build these five A's when compared to the three A's built at the same time using conventional rods. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "NW Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: A class and Lightweight rods > Were the lightweight rods applied to the last A's a successful > application? How was success measured and what was the business / > operational reason behind it? > > What other changes to the locomotive were required to accomodate the rods? > > Matt Goodman > Columbus OH > > > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 11 14:53:44 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:53:44 -0500 Subject: Abandoned tunnels References: <1392009746.5967421260119803786.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910133F8C50F@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> <4ADE1164930B4D2BBB2669BE27CF7B14@DellVostro> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910133F8C512@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: Ed and Gordon, In 2004, I posted this information on the mailing list. I present this again to what you have said before. This is from the N&W Annual Reports CD: Year Double tracked miles, Roanoke to Bluefield 1897 34.5 miles 1898 39.6 1899 39.9 1900 45.2 1901 50.6 1902 54.8 1903 66.1 1904 77.1 1905 81.0 1906 82.5 1907-14 85.5 1915 86.1 1916 89.4 1917 101.1 Note: Entire N&W main line from Norfolk to Columbus was double tracked in 1917 except for 1.14 miles at Pepper Tunnel and bridge [Rad. Div.] and .70 miles at the Elkhorn Tunnel [Poca. Div.] 1921 94.0 double tracked and 7.1 triple tracked Note: Walton to Pelton triple tracked in 1921. Note: In the mid-20s, the Big Sandy line was double tracked when the Twelve Pole line was partially abandoned. The Big Sandy had a few tunnels remain single tracked, but in 1921 the single tracked Big Sandy and single tracked Twelve Pole lines constituted together a double tracked operation. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: RE: Abandoned tunnels Thanks Gordon?..I glanced through several books and a number of Annual Reports (from the late 1800's into the early 1900's) including 1906 and 1907 and somehow missed this info. (obviously a less than proficient job as I was multi-tasking watching Monday night football) If I remember correctly, the map accompanying the 1911 Annual Report was the first Annual Report that I had showing double track from Roanoke all the way to Bluefield (except for the area west of Walton - ~ 2 miles; Bluff to Cowan heading west - where the railway crosses the New River on a single track bridge and goes through single track Cowan Tunnel - this is the only section of the current N&W right of way between Roanoke and Bluefield that has never been double tracked). Best Regards, Ed Painter - Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:03 PM To: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: Abandoned tunnels In early 2008 (1/5/2008, 1/17/2008, 1/18/2008, 5/29/2008) I posted several articles from the Bluefield Daily Telegraph about Eggleston tunnels, and some cave-in accidents. My comments on the new tunnels were: The First Eggleston Tunnel was replaced by a double-track tunnel on new location, length 893 feet as reported in the 1906 Annual Report. The work referred to in the above article could have been in connection with the double tracking that was probably underway in 1903 because it was reported in the 1906 Annual Report as almost finished from Eggleston to Pembroke, 6 miles. Finally, The second Eggleston tunnel was replaced by a double track tunnel on new location, length 1176 feet according to the 1907 Annual Report.] The full text of these messages should be archived on the N&WHS website. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: RE: Abandoned tunnels The tunnels have been part of the original N&W New River Division right of way (Radford to Bluefield/Pocahontas) that was completed in 1883 extending the N&W Railroad into the Pocahontas Coalfields from the former VA & TN at Radford. I'm at work and don't have reference materials with me so I don't have the actual dates but the right of way was improved/better aligned and double tracked over time (early 1900's I believe??..I'll look it up tonight when I get to the house) and these tunnels were abandoned. Looking at Google Earth Maps the second tunnel appears to be at a location west (nearer Pembroke) from the one I was at in July (barely west of Eggleston). Next time I get back to God's country to visit I'm going to take a look at this second tunnel too. It appears relatively accessible by road. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, VA From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:17 AM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: Abandoned tunnels Andy, Do we know who's tunnels those were ooriginally? . . . . mainline or local branch trackage? Neat stuff to find. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 12:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. abandoned tunnels (NW Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 03:58:58 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: abandoned tunnels To: "NW Mailing List" Message-ID: <5E7F66343CC544D0A77900F3A32F517B at YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Something I stumbled over, I would like to share it with you fine folks... http://www.vtunderground.com/other/eggleston.htm Andy Jennings blt74 cn3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, John Rhodes On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > Matt, > > The last five A's when built, numbers 1238-42, were equipped with the > lightweight rods and reciprocating parts with roller bearing connections to > enhance long distance running. They were very successful and were built > primarly for troop train and passenger service, when needed. > > The Class J's were all equipped with this type of rods and bearings > allowing them to be assigned to Roanoke and dispatched to Norfolk and > Cincinnati on these runs with a minimum of servicing. The five A's could > perform similarly on extended runs on troop and passenger service. Beginning > in 1955 with the inauguration of time freights 77 and 78, these engines ran > to Petersburg and back to Roanoke, and also between Roanoke and Portsmouth, > without engine change. > > Official N&W literature stated that the Timken lightweight reciprocating > parts resulted in a weight reduction of 38 percent from the original type > used. The advantages listed was greater reliability, increased availability, > lower roundhouse maintenance cost, reduction of hammer blow on the rails, > and longer runs without lubrication servicing. > > The only other modification required was the counterweights on the driving > wheels had to be changed. There was an increased cost to build these five > A's when compared to the three A's built at the same time using conventional > rods. > > Bud Jeffries > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" < > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> > To: "NW Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:40 AM > Subject: A class and Lightweight rods > > > Were the lightweight rods applied to the last A's a successful >> application? How was success measured and what was the business / >> operational reason behind it? >> >> What other changes to the locomotive were required to accomodate the rods? >> >> Matt Goodman >> Columbus OH >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 11 15:17:25 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:17:25 -0000 Subject: J and A class rods and valve gear In-Reply-To: <7C8D9A9C2EC44145BE353046E2013B95@lewisdl0ls5whv> References: <648474.32751.qm@web23906.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <7C8D9A9C2EC44145BE353046E2013B95@lewisdl0ls5whv> Message-ID: Hi chaps Can anybody with knowledge of the archives and point me in the direction as to where I can get some detailed dimensioned drawings of both J and A class coupling rods, connecting rods and all other associated valve gear concerning these locomotives. Any help most gratefully accepted Regards Richard From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 11 20:16:48 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:16:48 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Record run Message-ID: <6DF1AD70D2F249DBA213EAFB621B5C39@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 29, 1910 RECORD RUN ------ No. 4 Goes to Norfolk Hour and Half Faster Than Schedule Train No. 4, which left this city Monday several hours late as a result of a slide between Naugatuck and Kermit, made a record run from Bluefield to Norfolk. The schedule between this city and Norfolk is faster than any schedule the road has ever had between these points before and passenger trains are supposed to make the trip of 363 miles in ten hours and thirty-five minutes. No. 4 Monday made the run in nine hours and five minutes, or one hour and thirty minutes faster than schedule. When the train left Bluefield it carried a mail car, baggage car, two coaches, a dining car and two Pullmans. On arrival at Roanoke it was trimmed until it had nothing left but the mail and baggage cars and a coach. With this light load no stops were made except at Lynchburg and Petersburg, the train pulling into Norfolk as a special mail train which carried one passenger, who was going to Norfolk. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 11 21:10:30 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:10:30 -0500 Subject: J and A class rods and valve gear References: <648474.32751.qm@web23906.mail.ird.yahoo.com><7C8D9A9C2EC44145BE353046E2013B95@lewisdl0ls5whv> Message-ID: <3DF6A8AA5EFE47DBBC330FEA8F2866BD@DellVostro> You can go to www.nwhs.org, click on "The Archives," click on "Browse the Archives," click on "Steam Locomotives," click on Class A (1936-), or on Class J. This gives a tabulation of available drawings. Click on "Edit" on the Menu Bar and click on "Find." Enter the keyword and press "Enter." Click on "Next" for the next occurence. If there is a "D" in the first column (indicating the drawing has been digitized), click on it and a thumbnail of the drawing can be viewed. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "NW Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: J and A class rods and valve gear > Hi chaps > Can anybody with knowledge of the archives and point me in the direction > as > to where I can get some detailed dimensioned drawings of both J and A > class > coupling rods, connecting rods and all other associated valve gear > concerning these locomotives. Any help most gratefully accepted > > Regards > Richard > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.104/2559 - Release Date: 12/11/09 14:37:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Dec 12 09:52:45 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:52:45 -0000 Subject: J and A class rods and valve gear In-Reply-To: <3DF6A8AA5EFE47DBBC330FEA8F2866BD@DellVostro> References: <648474.32751.qm@web23906.mail.ird.yahoo.com><7C8D9A9C2EC44145BE353046E2013B95@lewisdl0ls5whv> <3DF6A8AA5EFE47DBBC330FEA8F2866BD@DellVostro> Message-ID: Thanks Gordon That was exactly what I needed to know Regards Richard From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Dec 12 09:56:20 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:56:20 -0500 Subject: A class and Lightweight rods References: <648474.32751.qm@web23906.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <7C8D9A9C2EC44145BE353046E2013B95@lewisdl0ls5whv> Message-ID: <25BC270294034AFDA726B014C3167266@lewisdl0ls5whv> John, The railway listed the 1235-37 costing $277,564.00 each; the 1238-42 $300,404.00 each. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: A class and Lightweight rods Bud, Do you know the difference in cost between the last produced roller rod and non-roller rod Class A's? Thanks, John Rhodes On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: Matt, The last five A's when built, numbers 1238-42, were equipped with the lightweight rods and reciprocating parts with roller bearing connections to enhance long distance running. They were very successful and were built primarly for troop train and passenger service, when needed. The Class J's were all equipped with this type of rods and bearings allowing them to be assigned to Roanoke and dispatched to Norfolk and Cincinnati on these runs with a minimum of servicing. The five A's could perform similarly on extended runs on troop and passenger service. Beginning in 1955 with the inauguration of time freights 77 and 78, these engines ran to Petersburg and back to Roanoke, and also between Roanoke and Portsmouth, without engine change. Official N&W literature stated that the Timken lightweight reciprocating parts resulted in a weight reduction of 38 percent from the original type used. The advantages listed was greater reliability, increased availability, lower roundhouse maintenance cost, reduction of hammer blow on the rails, and longer runs without lubrication servicing. The only other modification required was the counterweights on the driving wheels had to be changed. There was an increased cost to build these five A's when compared to the three A's built at the same time using conventional rods. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "NW Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:40 AM Subject: A class and Lightweight rods Were the lightweight rods applied to the last A's a successful application? How was success measured and what was the business / operational reason behind it? What other changes to the locomotive were required to accomodate the rods? 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Dec 12 19:54:29 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:54:29 -0500 Subject: A class and Lightweight rods In-Reply-To: <25BC270294034AFDA726B014C3167266@lewisdl0ls5whv> References: <648474.32751.qm@web23906.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <7C8D9A9C2EC44145BE353046E2013B95@lewisdl0ls5whv> <25BC270294034AFDA726B014C3167266@lewisdl0ls5whv> Message-ID: Bud, Thanks. Other than the increase in labor and materials was the roller rods the only cause of the increase in cost? John Rhodes On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > John, > > The railway listed the 1235-37 costing $277,564.00 each; the 1238-42 > $300,404.00 each. > > Bud Jeffries > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* NW Mailing List > *To:* NW Mailing List > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2009 3:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: A class and Lightweight rods > > Bud, > > Do you know the difference in cost between the last produced roller rod and > non-roller rod Class A's? > > Thanks, > > John Rhodes > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM, NW Mailing List < > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: > >> Matt, >> >> The last five A's when built, numbers 1238-42, were equipped with the >> lightweight rods and reciprocating parts with roller bearing connections to >> enhance long distance running. They were very successful and were built >> primarly for troop train and passenger service, when needed. >> >> The Class J's were all equipped with this type of rods and bearings >> allowing them to be assigned to Roanoke and dispatched to Norfolk and >> Cincinnati on these runs with a minimum of servicing. The five A's could >> perform similarly on extended runs on troop and passenger service. Beginning >> in 1955 with the inauguration of time freights 77 and 78, these engines ran >> to Petersburg and back to Roanoke, and also between Roanoke and Portsmouth, >> without engine change. >> >> Official N&W literature stated that the Timken lightweight reciprocating >> parts resulted in a weight reduction of 38 percent from the original type >> used. The advantages listed was greater reliability, increased availability, >> lower roundhouse maintenance cost, reduction of hammer blow on the rails, >> and longer runs without lubrication servicing. >> >> The only other modification required was the counterweights on the driving >> wheels had to be changed. There was an increased cost to build these five >> A's when compared to the three A's built at the same time using conventional >> rods. >> >> Bud Jeffries >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" < >> nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> >> To: "NW Mailing List" >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:40 AM >> Subject: A class and Lightweight rods >> >> >> Were the lightweight rods applied to the last A's a successful >>> application? How was success measured and what was the business / >>> operational reason behind it? >>> >>> What other changes to the locomotive were required to accomodate the >>> rods? >>> >>> Matt Goodman >>> Columbus OH >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >>> To change your subscription go to >>> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >>> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> > > ------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Owing to the heavy grades and sharp curves which abound on the Twelve Pole Line, all heavy freight trains and all through passenger trains are run over the Big Sandy Line. There is still a good quantity of timber on the head waters of Twelve Pole and plenty of good coal. It is believed, however, if there were neither of these commodities in evidence the road would be preserved for the double track purposes it will now will serve. ------ [The six-mile grade of one percent or more against loaded coal trains on the original single-track Twelve Pole mainline extended completely through the 3327-foot-long Dingess Tunnel. The single-track Big Sandy Low Grade Line was opened in December 1904 and was 24.20 miles shorter than the Twelve Pole line. The N&W completed double tracking of the Big Sandy line in 1925 and then abandoned the 54.49 miles of the Twelve Pole line between Lenore and Wayne on September 2, 1933. The N&W's 1933 Annual Report states, "Removal of the rails, ties and other items of value on this line was competed in November, 1933, and 53.78 miles of abandoned right-of-way were conveyed to the State of West Virginia for highway purposes." For those who may have missed the links where they were first posted here, one can experience a motorcycle ride on the state road over the old Twelve Pole line including Dingess and Breeden tunnels by checking out the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu7yGiS54D0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONCos2I2wTY&feature=related] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: