From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 30 08:49:34 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:49:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Train Orders - Roanoke - Part 2 Message-ID: <112695.91553.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I haven't been able to locate Part 1 in the archive. ?Since the original message from 'adb' was forwarded to the nw-mailing-list, it may have come another forum. ?I would like to read it also. Dick Kimball -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 30 09:51:39 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:51:39 -0600 Subject: Train Orders - Roanoke - Part 2 In-Reply-To: <112695.91553.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Group, and prospective authors, I also found Roanoke - Part 2 interesting. This is why we need some person or persons to begin a history of the Radford Division while primary sourcres are stll around. Just a thought. Mason Cooper -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 30 10:19:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:19:32 -0500 Subject: Train Orders - Roanoke - Part 2 References: <112695.91553.qm@web35308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07901395668743D5A4A006EF0F30016F@DellVostro> Maybe the following is the missing Part 1: Gordon Hamilton Somehow the formatting on my original message to you was scrambled, and it all became one huge paragraph. Here it is again, properly formatted... --adb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much could be written about this, and I will give you the entire picture ... over the course of several emails. But I will start with the Radford Division in 1964. By 1964, the entire Radford Division (Roanoke to RD at Bluefield, plus the Bristol Line) was Rule 261 territory (CTC.) That meant that there was no current-of-traffic on the main tracks and that all trains proceeded on signal indication, regardless of class or direction. The timetable still gave a schedule for all trains (First Class being the passenger trains, Third Class being the Time Freights, and Fourth Class being the locals,) but schedule and class really meant nothing. The Time Table schedules were really for information alone. ALL trains ran by signal indication alone. For example, the Train Dispatcher could hold the signal on No. 18 at Glade Spring and and bring an extra freight slobbering up the hill against him, with no orders being issued to any train. (In the old days, this would have taken a Train Order: "Extra 752 West has right over No 18 Chillhowie to Glade Spring.") The only Train Orders normally issued were for speed restrictions or passing sidings being blocked with cars. However, I do recall that when No 3 and No 4 were run in sections due to the heavy Christmas mail, or when an occasional Passenger Extra would be run at this time of year, Train Orders would be issued. For instance: "Eng 512 run as First No 3 Roanoke to Bluefield on the following schedule Lv Roanoke 6:45PM Christiansburg 7:55PM Ar Bluefield 9:55PM." This really wasn't the way things should have been done according to the generally accepted Train Order procedures, but the N&W often deviated from "Standard Code" procedures. Sometime just before I started in 1964, the use of "Train Signals" (i.e. all sections of a train except the last one "carrying green signals") was stopped in CTC territory. So, both First 3 and Second 3 carried no green flags or classification lamps. Now, as to Clearance Cards. EVERY train was required by Time Table to get a Clearance Card at its initial terminal. This was a check to make sure that no train got out and running without any orders the DS had for it. The way this worked was as follows: Each "initial terminal" had a Telegraph Office (in N&W parlance, but which in reality hadn't had telegraph instruments for four years.) At Bristol, this was the operator at BD. At Radford, it was the operator at CN. At Shaffers Crossing, it was the soperator at DO (which was at 16th Street until around 1962 or 1963, but had been moved to the Hump Building by the time I hired in 1964.) At the Roanoke Passenger Station, the operator handing Train Orders for passenger trains was MH, but MH was closed not long after the last passenger trains, No's 11 and 12, were pulled off the Punkin' Vine in the early 1960s. So, here is how the situation worked at "initial terminals." The Conductor of every train originating at Bristol would go into the Telegraph Office and ask for orders. The operator would give him two sets of Train Orders (one for the Conductor and one for the Engineman) or, if there were no orders, two Clearance Cards stating "I have no orders for your train." If originating at East Radford, the Conductor went into the Telegraph Office there, and the routine was the same. If originating at Shaffers Crossing, the Conductor went to DO and asked for orders. But by 1964, there was no longer an operator at MH, so how did trains originating there get orders? And at Bluefield, RD tower had been torn down and there was no operator at the East Yard Office either, so how did trains originating there get orders? The answer was a typically N&W answer: Have the messenger boy deliver them ! For passenger crews originating at the Roanoke Passenger Station, the Dispatchers from Norfolk Div, Shen Div and Rad Div would phone the Train Orders and/or Clearance Cards to the operator at DO Shaffers Crossing, and the messenger boy would drive them to the passenger station and hang them on a bulletin board which had four sections on it, one for each direction out of the station, and the passenger crews would pick them up there. For all crews originating at Bluefield, both freight and passenger, the Radford Division Dispatcher would phone the orders to the Pocahontas Division Dispatcher's Office in Bluefield and someone there would write them out and send them by messenger to either the passenger station or East Yard Office. MH was an intresting situation. I was in that place many times as a kid, and the chatter of the telegraph instruments was fascinating. MH had the Train Dispatchers' Wires for all four directions out of Roanoke. On the first floor of the station building, beginning from the west and going eastward, were (1) the Post Office Transfer Clerk's office, (2) MH Telegraph Office, (3) a very small trainman's room with a window into MH, (4) the Passenger Trainmen's locker room where conductor's ticket boxes were kept on shelves and kerosene markers were kept for the passenger trains (all markers being changed at Roanoke,) and (5) several Signal Department rooms that I was never in. After the operator at MH was taken off, the Comp'ny erected on the east wall of #3 (above) a very large black wooden board with hooks on it. I don't remember how many hooks, but I do recall that white lettering saying "East," "West," "North" and "South." It was on these hooks that the messenger boy would hang the orders that he had brought down from DO. For some reason there were also large metal rings, about 5" in diameter, each having a tag. The tags said "Shen Div," "Nfk Div" and "Rad Div"... they are the only ones I recall. After hanging up the orders for the passenger crews, the messenger boy would hang the ring/tag on the hook atop the orders he had just posted. Now the best part is... I have two of those tags (which were obviously made in East End Shops) !!!!! They are now on a big ring of switch keys that I gave to my son several years ago. I'll get them back and photograph them for you. Oh, MH was a Radford Division office, as was the tower at Randolph Street (which apparently never handled Train orders.) I'm copying Jim Blackstock in on this wire as he probably worked the messenger job and hung orders on the board at MH. In 1964, the engines were equipped with radios but coverage was almost nonexistant. About the only place you could reach the dispatcher was from the top of Christiansburg Mountain. Obviously, some kind of radio base tower had been set up there to address the helper situation on the VGN side. I can recall old Engr Bob Jewell trying and trying to "click in" the dispatcher and saying, "This #$%&* thing doesn't work. You're will have to go to the phone box, Sonny." And indeed, the phone box was the means of communication 98% of the time. This meant that a trainman paid attention to and learned the locations of such things. The saying was, "There's a phone box every mile, so you'll never have to walk over a mile to find one." The radio was almost never used for anything. All intra-crew communication was done by word of mouth or by hand signal. On the N&W, train and engine crews never copied Train Orders directly from either the Train Dispatcher or an operator. The above description represents things as I knew them when I hired on the Radford Division in 1964. Next time I'll write about how things were done on the other Divisions. I'm glad you asked the question. Answering it brought back fond memories. -- adb //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ----- "Ben Blevins" wrote: > Abramos, I have what may be a lengthy question. But, I simply don't have a clue because I haven't asked anyone, or even given it a though until now. In the time that you first came out, and up until radios came about, how was train dispatching accomplished? I know today the dispatcher gives them their orders via radio and proceed by signal indication, and they will come on and tell them when and where they will have a meet. But, I don't know how all that was handled before radios came about. Would you mind to give a curious young railroader a lesson on it? brb > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.84/2530 - Release Date: 11/27/09 02:58:00 ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Re:Train Orders - Roanoke - Part 2 I haven't been able to locate Part 1 in the archive. Since the original message from 'adb' was forwarded to the nw-mailing-list, it may have come another forum. I would like to read it also. Dick Kimball ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 02:31:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 30 11:21:53 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:21:53 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Leviathans, Part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gordon, I am not aware of this situation of two firemen hand bombing the early Mallets on N&W. But H. Reid writes in his VGN book that two firemen were assigned to VGN's Class AA 2-6-6-0 Mallets -- and one had to be left handed while the other had to be right handed. Thus, I would surmise N&W probably had same situation, although Ed King, Bud Jeffries, etc., would need to answer this question definitively. BEST, Lloyd D, Lewis, Kenova, WV. To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: N&W in 1910--Leviathans, Part 3 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:50:12 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Bluefield Daily Telegraph, June 5, 1910 [A side view photo of 0-8-8-0 engine No. 990 extended across the full width of Page 7 at the top with the caption, "The New Leviathans That Will Haul the Great Output of the Pocahontas Coal Fields from Mine to Market--the Mallet Engine and What it Does." The following article is the third of three related articles on that page to be presented individually.] LOCAL MAN TELLS OF NEW ENGINE ------ Says it is Easy to Fire and Will Be A Success on This Division Harry Weller, trainmaster for the Pocahontas division, said yesterday in talking about the new engine that the Baldwin engines are about ten feet longer than the American type, a photo of which is shown above. The Baldwin type has pony trucks and trailers which support the extra ten feet, and which do not show up in the picture. The engines will be known as class X and class Y, the American being X and the Baldwin Y. The engines have an innovation in the arrangement of the reverse lever. It is worked by air and the engineer simply grips the handle which opens the valve and a push in the desired direction moves the engine either way. From a fireman's standpoint the engine built by the Baldwins is a little more convenient as it is a shorter distance to the firebox which is reached easily from the tender. The tenders, which hold 9,000 gallons of water and 28,000 pounds of coal, are monsters but the coal is rolled to the fireman so that he can reach it without trouble. The several tests to which the engines have been put on this division, said Mr. Weller, prove that they will be satisfactory and will easily do the work of two class M engines with about two thirds the amount of coal. They can be run safely at Twenty-five miles an hour and an even greater speed can be attained. The engines are easy riding and Mr. Weller claims that they are the most comfortable engine that he has ever ridden on through the Elkhorn tunnel. The men in the cab are not troubled with smoke, gases and heat, as the steam goes into the low pressure cylinder from the high pressure cylinder with the result that it loses a good deal of its heat. Much of the cinders is burned up in the engine, and the smokestack is so far from the cab that the men on the engine experience little difficulty in passing through the tunnel, which can be gone through in a very few minutes. Contrary to what was expected the engines, in spite of their heavy drawing power, are not hard on equipment. They start easy and should one or the other engine slip there is absolutely no surging of the train. Mr. Weller believes the engines are the coming engine for the hauling of freight. ------ [Both the Class X1 and Y1 were hand fired. Even accepting that one of these Mallets would burn only two-thirds the coal of two Class M engines, that means that the fireman on a Mallet would have to shovel one-third more coal than he would on one of the two Class M engines. Somewhere I have seen that some railroads had to assign two fireman to the early hand-fired Mallets. Was this done on the N&W?] Gordon Hamilton _________________________________________________________________ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MFESRP&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 30 14:35:25 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:35:25 -0500 Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" In-Reply-To: <693202.40977.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <591862.81941.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <693202.40977.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tony, the N&W had "battleship" gons up until about 1953; the Virginian had some up until the time of the merger in 1959--the N&W had them all off the roster within approximately 6 months. Most of them were about 43' to 50' long. With N&W, VGN, C&O there are roughly 15 different classes of these cars; we can give you a better answer if you can narrow down your request a bit. At least three different sources have given us the distinct impression that "battleship gon" is a railfan/historian term that was very rarely used by "real" railroaders; one exception is that it appears that the term was used by N&W men referring to the VGN cars right after the merger. Frank Bongiovanni On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > hello I would like to know how long did battleship gondolas stay on the > line and what were the lengths and car numbers? I have an idea if they were > as long as a 6 axle tender I could probably make one out of a Bachmann > auxilary tender. thanks. tony putnam > > --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, NW Mailing List * wrote: > > > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" > > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 2:26 AM > > A friend of mine inquired about a photo he has in his collection that is > labeled as being at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the "John > Kyle." Anyone have any additional information on this locomotive, dates of > operation or owner etc? > > Thanks, > Whit > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 30 16:16:53 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:16:53 -0500 Subject: Tunnel repair on the former North Carolina Branch References: Message-ID: Looks like the Old Chestnut Creek Tunnel on the old North Carolina Branch, is getting spruced up a bit by the New River trail folks. This tunnel had been getting really "ratty" over the years, on the timber side of it, several boards where missing, and on the inside, their had been lots of shoring up of the big beams. http://www.lcni5.com/cgi-bin/c2.cgi?055+article+News+20091130093823055055002 Andy J -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Portion of trail closed until spring By CHRISTOPHER BROOKE A three-mile section of the New River Trail State Park near Gambetta will remain closed for 150 days for safety work on the former rail line tunnel there. The closure effects the portion of the linear state park from Fries Junction at mile marker 39.8 to Gambetta Road at 42.3 until May 1 of next year, according to park officials. This work arose from the issuance in 2002 of a general obligation bond by the state to repair bridges and tunnels on the New River Trail, explained Jimmy Elliott, the park's assistant manager based at Cliffview. Specialists examined parts of the trail and found that the time had come for maintenance on the tunnel. "There's some wooden beams in there that has some signs of rot, I guess you would say, or weathering," Elliott explained. Plus, there's a wooden face on the north side of the tunnel that needs replacing. Workers will also scale loose rock back and install a wire mesh meant to catch falling pieces, he added. "We've never had a problem in that tunnel anyway with anything falling." But the idea is to be proactive. "We're taking care of these issues before they present a significant safety issue to the public." The contract, awarded to Hillsville company DLB, allows for 150 days to complete the work, Elliott said. Park officials purposefully scheduled this maintenance for the time of year when the trail has the least amount of users. Barricades have gone up on this portion of the trail and it has been turned over to the contractor to do the work. For those who want to continue using the trial, park officials suggest this detour: From the Gambetta Road crossing traveling south on the trail, take a right onto Gambetta Road. Travel approximately three miles to Iron Ridge Road and take a right. Go approximately three miles to Fries Road and take a right, then follow the signs to the Fries access, about 4.5 miles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 30 19:32:07 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:32:07 -0500 Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" Message-ID: <20091201003207.F3P2B.151065.root@cdptpa-web09-z02> There is a siding near Hanging Rock that lead to a coal dealer. They might have had an 0-4-0 to move cars. Larry S. N&W Signal Dept. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 30 20:02:38 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <888368.2741.qm@web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> ok thanks Frank. I suppose this answered my question. I kinda figured they were named that because of the Atlantic Fleets?old?battleships used coal before they?were rebuilt to burn oil. talk to you later. tony? --- On Mon, 11/30/09, NW Mailing List wrote: From: NW Mailing List Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" To: "NW Mailing List" Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 7:35 PM Tony, the N&W had "battleship" gons up until about 1953; the Virginian had some up until the time of the merger in 1959--the N&W had them all off the roster within approximately 6 months.? Most of them were about 43' to 50' long.? With N&W, VGN, C&O there are roughly 15 different classes of these cars; we can give you a better answer if you can narrow down your request a bit.? ? At least three different sources have given us the distinct impression that "battleship gon" is a railfan/historian term that was very rarely used by "real" railroaders; one exception is that it appears that the term was used by N&W men referring to the VGN cars right after the merger.? ? Frank Bongiovanni On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: hello I would like to know how long did battleship gondolas stay on the line and what were the lengths and car numbers? I have an idea if they were as long as a 6 axle tender I could probably make one out of a Bachmann auxilary tender. thanks. tony putnam --- On Sun, 11/29/09, NW Mailing List wrote: From: NW Mailing List Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 2:26 AM A friend of mine inquired about a photo he has in his collection that is labeled as being at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the? "John Kyle." Anyone have any additional information on this locomotive, dates of operation or owner etc? Thanks, Whit -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 1 00:26:12 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:26:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Christiansburg (Cambria) station Message-ID: <529925.56998.qm@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Ned: Thanks for the article. I stopped by in 2007 and met Mr. Dorsett. They constructed an apartment within the east end of the freight room. He was successful in having the structure added to the National Historic Register even though it is on Norfolk Southern leased land. Happy holidays, Frank =================================================================== A look inside Christiansburg?s Cambria depot The Dorsett family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a 20-year period as a storage facility for local companies 0 Ratings | 104 By Chris Whitley | Digital Journalist Published: November 24, 2009 Updated: November 25, 2009 CHRISTIANSBURG - Originally this area was known as Bangs. Then sometime in the 1870?s it was changed to Ronald after a Civil War hero from Blacksburg. They they thought Ronald was not a good name for a town, and named it Cambria. Now a part of Christiansburg, Cambria is the home of a historic train depot. It was originally built in 1868, then converted from a passenger station to a freight station in 1906. Nearly all of the freight traffic for Montgomery County and Floyd County came through the depot, according to Megan Dorsett. Her family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a 20-year period as a storage facility for local companies. The Dorsetts turned the renovation of the depot into a labor of love. ?You do not do it for financial gain. Nobody who does historical preservation is making a lot of money off it,? Dorsett told me. ?For my parents, they bought it because my mother believed young parents should be able to bring their kids here and say, this is what a train station looked like,? Dorsett added. The building still maintains much of teh original materials from more than a century ago. On the wall, you?ll find grafitti left by former workers. Today, the building serves as a work space for Dorsett Publication, a toy store where the money raised helps buy paint for the building, and even a home for Megan. But perhaps its most important purpose, a Cambria Museum. ?A history of a people who live in a place. Tells the story of how a place developed, on a base level,? Dorsett says. Source: http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/a_look_inside_christiansburg_cambria_depot/64515/ As of: December 1, 2009 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 1 14:34:00 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:34:00 -0500 Subject: N&W Territory in 1910 Message-ID: <6B89D59ED4D4478EA299A44332F8E05E@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 7, 1910 EXTENDING ROAD INTO RICH TIMBER REGION ------ County Traversed by Lumber Company's Line Also Underlaid With High Grade of Coal I. F. Jackson, a prominent lumberman of Honaker was in Bluefield last night on his way to Rich Creek, Va., where he will load two cars of walnut timber. Mr. Jackson says the large lumber plant at Honaker is now in full blast and is turning out timber at the rate of 60,000 feet per day. The company, it is understood, will add another band saw mill to the plant, which will make three mills complete under one roof, with a capacity of about 100,000 feet per day. This company now has in operation about nine miles of standard gauge railroad which is being extended into Buchanan county through a section which abounds in fine timber and is underlaid with vast quantities of the very best grade of domestic coal. While the Honaker Lumber Company is only interested in the marketing of the timber products, it proposes to give all inducements to the coal operators who own the coal rights to develop their properties. ------ [This lumber railroad extended north and west out of Honaker, Va., which is on the N&W's Clinch Valley line, into Buchanan County. Two 1916 topo maps on www.historical.maptech.com shows about 27 miles of track] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 1 17:27:50 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:27:50 -0800 Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" In-Reply-To: References: <591862.81941.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <693202.40977.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I kinda remember VGN folks around Sewells Point calling them "battleships", but I was about 12 at the time (in 1950). pete groom On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:35 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > Tony, the N&W had "battleship" gons up until about 1953; the > Virginian had some up until the time of the merger in 1959--the N&W > had them all off the roster within approximately 6 months. Most of > them were about 43' to 50' long. With N&W, VGN, C&O there are > roughly 15 different classes of these cars; we can give you a better > answer if you can narrow down your request a bit. > > At least three different sources have given us the distinct > impression that "battleship gon" is a railfan/historian term that > was very rarely used by "real" railroaders; one exception is that it > appears that the term was used by N&W men referring to the VGN cars > right after the merger. > > Frank Bongiovanni > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, NW Mailing List > wrote: > hello I would like to know how long did battleship gondolas stay on > the line and what were the lengths and car numbers? I have an idea > if they were as long as a 6 axle tender I could probably make one > out of a Bachmann auxilary tender. thanks. tony putnam > > --- On Sun, 11/29/09, NW Mailing List > wrote: > > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" > > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 2:26 AM > > A friend of mine inquired about a photo he has in his collection > that is labeled as being at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 > named the "John Kyle." Anyone have any additional information on > this locomotive, dates of operation or owner etc? > > Thanks, > Whit > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 1 21:36:45 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:36:45 -0500 Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" In-Reply-To: References: <591862.81941.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <693202.40977.qm@web110810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Pete. That's the kind of information that we've been seeking and haven't really found yet. Okay, it's not a major issue, but we'd like to get it right. Frank Bongiovanni On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:27 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > I kinda remember VGN folks around Sewells Point calling them "battleships", > but I was about 12 at the time (in 1950). > > pete groom > > On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:35 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > > Tony, the N&W had "battleship" gons up until about 1953; the Virginian > had some up until the time of the merger in 1959--the N&W had them all off > the roster within approximately 6 months. Most of them were about 43' to > 50' long. With N&W, VGN, C&O there are roughly 15 different classes of > these cars; we can give you a better answer if you can narrow down your > request a bit. > > At least three different sources have given us the distinct impression that > "battleship gon" is a railfan/historian term that was very rarely used by > "real" railroaders; one exception is that it appears that the term was used > by N&W men referring to the VGN cars right after the merger. > > Frank Bongiovanni > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, NW Mailing List < > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote: > >> hello I would like to know how long did battleship gondolas stay on the >> line and what were the lengths and car numbers? I have an idea if they were >> as long as a 6 axle tender I could probably make one out of a Bachmann >> auxilary tender. thanks. tony putnam >> >> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, NW Mailing List * wrote: >> >> >> From: NW Mailing List >> Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" >> >> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org >> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 2:26 AM >> >> A friend of mine inquired about a photo he has in his collection that is >> labeled as being at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the "John >> Kyle." Anyone have any additional information on this locomotive, dates of >> operation or owner etc? >> >> Thanks, >> Whit >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Dec 1 21:13:02 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:13:02 -0500 Subject: "Battleships" References: Message-ID: <001b01ca72f4$fa3ed950$e430fea9@lmnewton> This subject has been discussed before. "Battleship" is not necessarily a railfan term. "Battleships" were referred to in N&W Pocahontas Division timetables as early as 1911 under the subject "FIGURES TO BE USED IN COMPUTING TONNAGE FOR CARS OF DIFFERENT CAPACITY AND LOADING." When loaded with coal, "Battleships" were to be computed (estimated) to have a gross weight of 78 tons per car; when loaded with coke, at 67 tons per car. Louis Newton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:56 AM Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 > Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" (NW Mailing List) > 2. Tunnel repair on the former North Carolina Branch > (NW Mailing List) > 3. Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" (NW Mailing List) > 4. Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" (NW Mailing List) > 5. Christiansburg (Cambria) station (NW Mailing List) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:35:25 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" > To: NW Mailing List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Tony, the N&W had "battleship" gons up until about 1953; the Virginian had > some up until the time of the merger in 1959--the N&W had them all off the > roster within approximately 6 months. Most of them were about 43' to 50' > long. With N&W, VGN, C&O there are roughly 15 different classes of these > cars; we can give you a better answer if you can narrow down your request > a > bit. > > At least three different sources have given us the distinct impression > that > "battleship gon" is a railfan/historian term that was very rarely used by > "real" railroaders; one exception is that it appears that the term was > used > by N&W men referring to the VGN cars right after the merger. > > Frank Bongiovanni > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, NW Mailing List > wrote: > >> hello I would like to know how long did battleship gondolas stay on the >> line and what were the lengths and car numbers? I have an idea if they >> were >> as long as a 6 axle tender I could probably make one out of a Bachmann >> auxilary tender. thanks. tony putnam >> >> --- On *Sun, 11/29/09, NW Mailing List * wrote: >> >> >> From: NW Mailing List >> Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" >> >> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org >> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 2:26 AM >> >> A friend of mine inquired about a photo he has in his collection that is >> labeled as being at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the >> "John >> Kyle." Anyone have any additional information on this locomotive, dates >> of >> operation or owner etc? >> >> Thanks, >> Whit >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:16:53 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Tunnel repair on the former North Carolina Branch > To: "NW Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Looks like the Old Chestnut Creek Tunnel on the old North Carolina Branch, > is getting spruced up a bit by the New River trail folks. This tunnel had > been getting really "ratty" over the years, on the timber side of it, > several boards where missing, and on the inside, their had been lots of > shoring up of the big beams. > > http://www.lcni5.com/cgi-bin/c2.cgi?055+article+News+20091130093823055055002 > > Andy J > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Portion of trail closed until spring > > By CHRISTOPHER BROOKE > > A three-mile section of the New River Trail State Park near Gambetta will > remain closed for 150 days for safety work on the former rail line tunnel > there. > > The closure effects the portion of the linear state park from Fries > Junction at mile marker 39.8 to Gambetta Road at 42.3 until May 1 of next > year, according to park officials. > > This work arose from the issuance in 2002 of a general obligation bond by > the state to repair bridges and tunnels on the New River Trail, explained > Jimmy Elliott, the park's assistant manager based at Cliffview. > > Specialists examined parts of the trail and found that the time had come > for maintenance on the tunnel. > > "There's some wooden beams in there that has some signs of rot, I guess > you would say, or weathering," Elliott explained. > > Plus, there's a wooden face on the north side of the tunnel that needs > replacing. > > Workers will also scale loose rock back and install a wire mesh meant to > catch falling pieces, he added. "We've never had a problem in that tunnel > anyway with anything falling." > > But the idea is to be proactive. "We're taking care of these issues before > they present a significant safety issue to the public." > > The contract, awarded to Hillsville company DLB, allows for 150 days to > complete the work, Elliott said. Park officials purposefully scheduled > this maintenance for the time of year when the trail has the least amount > of users. > > Barricades have gone up on this portion of the trail and it has been > turned over to the contractor to do the work. > > For those who want to continue using the trial, park officials suggest > this detour: From the Gambetta Road crossing traveling south on the trail, > take a right onto Gambetta Road. Travel approximately three miles to Iron > Ridge Road and take a right. Go approximately three miles to Fries Road > and take a right, then follow the signs to the Fries access, about 4.5 > miles > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" > To: NW Mailing List > Message-ID: <888368.2741.qm at web110801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > ok thanks Frank. I suppose this answered my question. I kinda figured they > were named that because of the Atlantic Fleets?old?battleships used coal > before they?were rebuilt to burn oil. talk to you later. tony? > > --- On Mon, 11/30/09, NW Mailing List wrote: > > > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" > To: "NW Mailing List" > Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 7:35 PM > > > > Tony, the N&W had "battleship" gons up until about 1953; the Virginian had > some up until the time of the merger in 1959--the N&W had them all off the > roster within approximately 6 months.? Most of them were about 43' to 50' > long.? With N&W, VGN, C&O there are roughly 15 different classes of these > cars; we can give you a better answer if you can narrow down your request > a bit.? > ? > At least three different sources have given us the distinct impression > that "battleship gon" is a railfan/historian term that was very rarely > used by "real" railroaders; one exception is that it appears that the term > was used by N&W men referring to the VGN cars right after the merger.? > ? > Frank Bongiovanni > > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:56 AM, NW Mailing List > wrote: > > > > > > hello I would like to know how long did battleship gondolas stay on the > line and what were the lengths and car numbers? I have an idea if they > were as long as a 6 axle tender I could probably make one out of a > Bachmann auxilary tender. thanks. tony putnam > > --- On Sun, 11/29/09, NW Mailing List wrote: > > > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" > > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 2:26 AM > > > > A friend of mine inquired about a photo he has in his collection that is > labeled as being at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the? > "John Kyle." Anyone have any additional information on this locomotive, > dates of operation or owner etc? > > Thanks, > Whit > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:32:07 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Message-ID: <20091201003207.F3P2B.151065.root at cdptpa-web09-z02> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > There is a siding near Hanging Rock that lead to a coal dealer. They might > have had an 0-4-0 to move cars. > > Larry S. > N&W Signal Dept. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:26:12 -0800 (PST) > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Christiansburg (Cambria) station > To: Ned Wright > Message-ID: <529925.56998.qm at web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello, Ned: > > Thanks for the article. I stopped by in 2007 and met Mr. Dorsett. They > constructed an apartment within the east end of the freight room. He was > successful in having the structure added to the National Historic Register > even though it is on Norfolk Southern leased land. > > Happy holidays, > > Frank > > =================================================================== > > A look inside Christiansburg?s Cambria depot > > The Dorsett family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a > 20-year period as a storage facility for local companies 0 Ratings | 104 > By Chris Whitley | Digital Journalist > Published: November 24, 2009 > Updated: November 25, 2009 > > CHRISTIANSBURG - Originally this area was known as Bangs. Then sometime > in the 1870?s it was changed to Ronald after a Civil War hero from > Blacksburg. They they thought Ronald was not a good name for a town, and > named it Cambria. > > Now a part of Christiansburg, Cambria is the home of a historic train > depot. It was originally built in 1868, then converted from a passenger > station to a freight station in 1906. Nearly all of the freight traffic > for Montgomery County and Floyd County came through the depot, according > to Megan Dorsett. > > Her family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a 20-year period > as a storage facility for local companies. The Dorsetts turned the > renovation of the depot into a labor of love. > > ?You do not do it for financial gain. Nobody who does historical > preservation is making a lot of money off it,? Dorsett told me. ?For my > parents, they bought it because my mother believed young parents should be > able to bring their kids here and say, this is what a train station looked > like,? Dorsett added. > > The building still maintains much of teh original materials from more than > a century ago. On the wall, you?ll find grafitti left by former workers. > > Today, the building serves as a work space for Dorsett Publication, a toy > store where the money raised helps buy paint for the building, and even a > home for Megan. > > But perhaps its most important purpose, a Cambria Museum. > > ?A history of a people who live in a place. Tells the story of how a > place developed, on a base level,? Dorsett says. > > Source: > http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/a_look_inside_christiansburg_cambria_depot/64515/ > > As of: December 1, 2009 > > > ------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 > ********************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 2 10:18:29 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:18:29 -0600 Subject: "Battleships" In-Reply-To: <001b01ca72f4$fa3ed950$e430fea9@lmnewton> References: <001b01ca72f4$fa3ed950$e430fea9@lmnewton> Message-ID: <000c01ca7362$b4306460$1c912d20$@net> But in 1911 there were no big gons to be referred to by that title. Jim Nichols -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:13 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Re: "Battleships" This subject has been discussed before. "Battleship" is not necessarily a railfan term. "Battleships" were referred to in N&W Pocahontas Division timetables as early as 1911 under the subject "FIGURES TO BE USED IN COMPUTING TONNAGE FOR CARS OF DIFFERENT CAPACITY AND LOADING." When loaded with coal, "Battleships" were to be computed (estimated) to have a gross weight of 78 tons per car; when loaded with coke, at 67 tons per car. Louis Newton > > > > > > > > > at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the? > "John Kyle." Anyone have any additional in> A friend of mine inquired about a photo he has in his collection that is > labeled as being formation on this locomotive, > dates of operation or owner etc? > > Thanks, > Whit > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:32:07 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Message-ID: <20091201003207.F3P2B.151065.root at cdptpa-web09-z02> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > There is a siding near Hanging Rock that lead to a coal dealer. They might > have had an 0-4-0 to move cars. > > Larry S. > N&W Signal Dept. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:26:12 -0800 (PST) > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Christiansburg (Cambria) station > To: Ned Wright > Message-ID: <529925.56998.qm at web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello, Ned: > > Thanks for the article. I stopped by in 2007 and met Mr. Dorsett. They > constructed an apartment within the east end of the freight room. He was > successful in having the structure added to the National Historic Register > even though it is on Norfolk Southern leased land. > > Happy holidays, > > Frank > > =================================================================== > > A look inside Christiansburg?s Cambria depot > > The Dorsett family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a > 20-year period as a storage facility for local companies 0 Ratings | 104 > By Chris Whitley | Digital Journalist > Published: November 24, 2009 > Updated: November 25, 2009 > > CHRISTIANSBURG - Originally this area was known as Bangs. Then sometime > in the 1870?s it was changed to Ronald after a Civil War hero from > Blacksburg. They they thought Ronald was not a good name for a town, and > named it Cambria. > > Now a part of Christiansburg, Cambria is the home of a historic train > depot. It was originally built in 1868, then converted from a passenger > station to a freight station in 1906. Nearly all of the freight traffic > for Montgomery County and Floyd County came through the depot, according > to Megan Dorsett. > > Her family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a 20-year period > as a storage facility for local companies. The Dorsetts turned the > renovation of the depot into a labor of love. > > ?You do not do it for financial gain. Nobody who does historical > preservation is making a lot of money off it,? Dorsett told me. ?For my > parents, they bought it because my mother believed young parents should be > able to bring their kids here and say, this is what a train station looked > like,? Dorsett added. > > The building still maintains much of teh original materials from more than > a century ago. On the wall, you?ll find grafitti left by former workers. > > Today, the building serves as a work space for Dorsett Publication, a toy > store where the money raised helps buy paint for the building, and even a > home for Megan. > > But perhaps its most important purpose, a Cambria Museum. > > ?A history of a people who live in a place. Tells the story of how a > place developed, on a base level,? Dorsett says. > > Source: > http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/a_look_inside_c hristiansburg_cambria_depot/64515/ > > As of: December 1, 2009 > > > ------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 > ********************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 07:31:00 ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 2 12:06:35 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:06:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Santa Arrives by Rail Message-ID: <1102859292478.1102037581941.652.8.1512050C@scheduler> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Santa Arrives By Rail ON AN EVENING EXPRESS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ this Saturday December 5! 4:30 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. Come experience Christmas cheer, in true Roanoke style. Hang out with Santa (the real one) in the historic N&W Passenger Station at night this year! We encourage wearing pajamas (no matter how old you are) and taking lots of pictures. Link staff and volunteers will be most festively clad in holiday pj's and one of us will be donning chicken slippers (obviously you do not want to miss that). Admission is $5 or $4 if you bring along a canned food donation for the Southwest Virginia Second Harvest Food Bank. Please come to the front of the building to purchase your admission. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Santa By Rail 2009 Features All this is included in your admission; call us to buy your tickets in advance! 540-982-5465 See you Saturday, (word cloud created by wordle [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102859292478&s=652&e=001yXfNNYuCwa7l2JycnVg9ycqH5fYVQWrgD6EpSpfXgrgqqSJLPxppBEHndLdMWrDX0BkHm9TjLtuwotWTkEUTEi35rXg9_TkQXjQgqXh8AV8=]) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.linkmuseum.org [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102859292478&s=652&e=001yXfNNYuCwa7jbDqMjjdeQSVdak4HSX9Hx6X6PbplmgaeG5PMvK_804oWPBkjL86Sso-dVWH7rzHxPTbr2G0Vl5pjwAx1dC_vVOYPBCnoes_xrS6a2NtB2w==] Link Museum Store [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102859292478&s=652&e=001yXfNNYuCwa6YrMBrSz5UFogwZyxgeEcNstmxV61Gmbo3UvxDdfrD7hdGScQqZyQWLszx6fm9b_VamMd3fszgSOqxdxxTNB5HzmtXnQNVsNzFVhMVjv133g==] Find Us on Facebook [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102859292478&s=652&e=001yXfNNYuCwa6ScBQjWJhtykAZ5w9fYyrEgUKIkCf5p8Z7ielJm0FHqllHfShuVtdp93_e2fAxWWKg-Mnc9oOGO50rLaLKsSKdwYF0knRwBreVHDdQTEhpdFXxB88ex8waE5XKjv6ZRFQrMZHwkJUGk_QIeDNSUP9W] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Join Our Mailing List [http://visitor.constantcontact.com/email.jsp?m=1102037581941] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Forward email http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1102037581941&ea=nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org&a=1102859292478 This email was sent to nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org by programs at linkmuseum.org. Update Profile/Email Address http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?v=0016kgdmuAR3nDd10OkCRJamFipq861sxHcWUgiwYezvKg7MboCak7DjVPbRtlKedb3&p=oo Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?v=0016kgdmuAR3nDd10OkCRJamFipq861sxHcWUgiwYezvKg7MboCak7DjVPbRtlKedb3&p=un Privacy Policy: http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp Email Marketing by Constant Contact(R) www.constantcontact.com O. Winston Link Museum | 101 Shenandoah Ave | Roanoke | VA | 24016 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 2 13:48:35 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:48:35 -0500 Subject: Flat Top Yard Message-ID: Louis Newton, Thank you for your description of Flat Top Yard that adds a lot of 'realism' to the picture. Of the three spurs attached to the mid-part of the yard, what might have been placed or parked there? Helpers for Elkhorn? Thank you, Dave Willis (blt 1962, c/n 4) _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 2 20:47:11 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:47:11 -0500 Subject: "Battleships" References: <001b01ca72f4$fa3ed950$e430fea9@lmnewton> <000c01ca7362$b4306460$1c912d20$@net> Message-ID: The Bluefield Daily Telegraph articles from 1903 thru 1909 that I been posting on the Mailing List make several references to N&W (and once to C&O) "battleships" or "battleship" COAL cars, not battleship GONS. I don't have much info on these early cars, but I think the reference was to 50 and 55 ton steel hopper cars which were being placed in service and which were so much larger than the wooden body hopper cars that were being replaced. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "'NW Mailing List'" Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: RE: "Battleships" > But in 1911 there were no big gons to be referred to by that title. Jim > Nichols > > -----Original Message----- > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org > [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:13 PM > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: "Battleships" > > This subject has been discussed before. > > "Battleship" is not necessarily a railfan term. > > "Battleships" were referred to in N&W Pocahontas Division timetables as > early as 1911 under the subject "FIGURES TO BE USED IN COMPUTING TONNAGE > FOR CARS OF DIFFERENT CAPACITY AND LOADING." > > When loaded with coal, "Battleships" were to be computed (estimated) to > have > > a gross weight of 78 tons per car; when loaded with coke, at 67 tons per > car. > > Louis Newton >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the? >> "John Kyle." Anyone have any additional in> A friend of mine inquired > about a photo he has in his collection that is >> labeled as being formation on this locomotive, >> dates of operation or owner etc? >> >> Thanks, >> Whit >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> > 6d40/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:32:07 -0500 >> From: NW Mailing List >> Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" >> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org >> Message-ID: <20091201003207.F3P2B.151065.root at cdptpa-web09-z02> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> There is a siding near Hanging Rock that lead to a coal dealer. They >> might > >> have had an 0-4-0 to move cars. >> >> Larry S. >> N&W Signal Dept. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:26:12 -0800 (PST) >> From: NW Mailing List >> Subject: Christiansburg (Cambria) station >> To: Ned Wright >> Message-ID: <529925.56998.qm at web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hello, Ned: >> >> Thanks for the article. I stopped by in 2007 and met Mr. Dorsett. They >> constructed an apartment within the east end of the freight room. He was >> successful in having the structure added to the National Historic >> Register > >> even though it is on Norfolk Southern leased land. >> >> Happy holidays, >> >> Frank >> >> =================================================================== >> >> A look inside Christiansburg?s Cambria depot >> >> The Dorsett family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a >> 20-year period as a storage facility for local companies 0 Ratings | 104 >> By Chris Whitley | Digital Journalist >> Published: November 24, 2009 >> Updated: November 25, 2009 >> >> CHRISTIANSBURG - Originally this area was known as Bangs. Then sometime >> in the 1870?s it was changed to Ronald after a Civil War hero from >> Blacksburg. They they thought Ronald was not a good name for a town, and >> named it Cambria. >> >> Now a part of Christiansburg, Cambria is the home of a historic train >> depot. It was originally built in 1868, then converted from a passenger >> station to a freight station in 1906. Nearly all of the freight traffic >> for Montgomery County and Floyd County came through the depot, according >> to Megan Dorsett. >> >> Her family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a 20-year >> period > >> as a storage facility for local companies. The Dorsetts turned the >> renovation of the depot into a labor of love. >> >> ?You do not do it for financial gain. Nobody who does historical >> preservation is making a lot of money off it,? Dorsett told me. ?For my >> parents, they bought it because my mother believed young parents should >> be > >> able to bring their kids here and say, this is what a train station >> looked > >> like,? Dorsett added. >> >> The building still maintains much of teh original materials from more >> than > >> a century ago. On the wall, you?ll find grafitti left by former workers. >> >> Today, the building serves as a work space for Dorsett Publication, a toy >> store where the money raised helps buy paint for the building, and even a >> home for Megan. >> >> But perhaps its most important purpose, a Cambria Museum. >> >> ?A history of a people who live in a place. Tells the story of how a >> place developed, on a base level,? Dorsett says. >> >> Source: >> > http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/a_look_inside_c > hristiansburg_cambria_depot/64515/ >> >> As of: December 1, 2009 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 >> ********************************************** > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 > 07:31:00 > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 14:43:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 2 22:57:20 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:20 -0500 Subject: Flat Top Yard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave: I'll bite. What does c/n stand for in your signature? I know I've seen it before, can't think of what it might mean. Thanks _________________________________ Mike Weeks, LCSW, LCAS M1, Brody School of Medicine 2013 MSW, UNC at Charlotte 2003 BS Acct, UNC at Charlotte 1989 ________________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List [nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org] Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:48 PM To: Norfolk Western Mailing List Subject: Flat Top Yard Louis Newton, Thank you for your description of Flat Top Yard that adds a lot of 'realism' to the picture. Of the three spurs attached to the mid-part of the yard, what might have been placed or parked there? Helpers for Elkhorn? Thank you, Dave Willis (blt 1962, c/n 4) ________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. Click here to download. From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Dec 2 20:59:34 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:59:34 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--injury Message-ID: <6274B8D42EDF42C5A9FD4316F840D939@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 8, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Engineer Slightly Injured Engineer R. I. Shelton was slightly injured yesterday afternoon by being struck in the neck by a piece of an exploded torpedo as his train was passing Cleveland, Va. He was relieved at St. Paul and will return to this city on No. 12 today. Other than a lay off for several days Engineer Shelton is all right, a fact his many friends will be glad to learn. ------ [The attached photo of a track torpedo shows the two lead straps that are bent to secure the torpedo to the rail head. I remember being told not to stand near a torpedo because the explosion could send the straps flying. That is obviously why N&W operating Rule 15 states, in part, "Torpedoes must not be placed at stations or one public crossings." Apparently, Engineer Shelton was leaning out the cab window and got hit by one of the flying torpedo straps.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Torpedo.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2307 bytes Desc: not available Url : From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 3 20:47:47 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:47:47 -0500 Subject: Candy Cane Shifter 2009 Message-ID: <20091204014809.VIBP1164.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Ride the Candy Cane Shifter 12/12/09 The Roanoke Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society invites you and your children and friends to come ride the N&W Caboose 518409 behind our EMD GP-30 N&W 522, at our Roanoke 9th Street Facility on the Silk Mill Lead track in the Roanoke Industrial Park. Tickets are free, but donations are gratefully accepted. Rides are from 9AM to 4 PM. Maps and more info at http://www.nwhs.org/CandyCaneShifter091212.pdf From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 3 11:38:37 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:38:37 -0500 Subject: Flat Top Yard In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Mike, That is actually my 'builders plate'. Built in 1962, construction number 4. I am the 4th child. ;-) Dave Willis (blt 1962, c/n 4) > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:20 -0500 > Subject: RE: Flat Top Yard > From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > Dave: I'll bite. What does c/n stand for in your signature? I know I've seen it before, can't think of what it might mean. Thanks > _________________________________ > Mike Weeks, LCSW, LCAS > M1, Brody School of Medicine 2013 > MSW, UNC at Charlotte 2003 > BS Acct, UNC at Charlotte 1989 > ________________________________________ > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List [nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:48 PM > To: Norfolk Western Mailing List > Subject: Flat Top Yard > > Louis Newton, > > Thank you for your description of Flat Top Yard that adds a lot of 'realism' to the picture. > > Of the three spurs attached to the mid-part of the yard, what might have been placed or parked there? Helpers for Elkhorn? > > Thank you, > Dave Willis > (blt 1962, c/n 4) > > ________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. Click here to download. > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos-tours.aspx?h=7sec&slideid=1&media=aero-shake-7second&listid=1&stop=1&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_7secdemo:122009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 3 15:39:21 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:39:21 -0500 Subject: Flat Top Yard References: Message-ID: <002401ca7458$b1d91b20$e430fea9@lmnewton> As I recall, the spur tracks at Flat Top were used primarily for handling maintenance-of-way material and equipment. Incidentally, the post office in that area was known as "Yards, Virginia." Louis Newton ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:42 AM Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3 > Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to > nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: "Battleships" (NW Mailing List) > 2. Santa Arrives by Rail (NW Mailing List) > 3. Flat Top Yard (NW Mailing List) > 4. RE: Flat Top Yard (NW Mailing List) > 5. Re: "Battleships" (NW Mailing List) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:18:29 -0600 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: RE: "Battleships" > To: "'NW Mailing List'" > Message-ID: <000c01ca7362$b4306460$1c912d20$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > But in 1911 there were no big gons to be referred to by that title. Jim > Nichols > > -----Original Message----- > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org > [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:13 PM > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Subject: Re: "Battleships" > > This subject has been discussed before. > > "Battleship" is not necessarily a railfan term. > > "Battleships" were referred to in N&W Pocahontas Division timetables as > early as 1911 under the subject "FIGURES TO BE USED IN COMPUTING TONNAGE > FOR CARS OF DIFFERENT CAPACITY AND LOADING." > > When loaded with coal, "Battleships" were to be computed (estimated) to > have > > a gross weight of 78 tons per car; when loaded with coke, at 67 tons per > car. > > Louis Newton >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the? >> "John Kyle." Anyone have any additional in> A friend of mine inquired > about a photo he has in his collection that is >> labeled as being formation on this locomotive, >> dates of operation or owner etc? >> >> Thanks, >> Whit >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> > 6d40/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:32:07 -0500 >> From: NW Mailing List >> Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" >> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org >> Message-ID: <20091201003207.F3P2B.151065.root at cdptpa-web09-z02> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> There is a siding near Hanging Rock that lead to a coal dealer. They >> might > >> have had an 0-4-0 to move cars. >> >> Larry S. >> N&W Signal Dept. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:26:12 -0800 (PST) >> From: NW Mailing List >> Subject: Christiansburg (Cambria) station >> To: Ned Wright >> Message-ID: <529925.56998.qm at web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Hello, Ned: >> >> Thanks for the article. I stopped by in 2007 and met Mr. Dorsett. They >> constructed an apartment within the east end of the freight room. He was >> successful in having the structure added to the National Historic >> Register > >> even though it is on Norfolk Southern leased land. >> >> Happy holidays, >> >> Frank >> >> =================================================================== >> >> A look inside Christiansburg?s Cambria depot >> >> The Dorsett family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a >> 20-year period as a storage facility for local companies 0 Ratings | 104 >> By Chris Whitley | Digital Journalist >> Published: November 24, 2009 >> Updated: November 25, 2009 >> >> CHRISTIANSBURG - Originally this area was known as Bangs. Then sometime >> in the 1870?s it was changed to Ronald after a Civil War hero from >> Blacksburg. They they thought Ronald was not a good name for a town, and >> named it Cambria. >> >> Now a part of Christiansburg, Cambria is the home of a historic train >> depot. It was originally built in 1868, then converted from a passenger >> station to a freight station in 1906. Nearly all of the freight traffic >> for Montgomery County and Floyd County came through the depot, according >> to Megan Dorsett. >> >> Her family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a 20-year >> period > >> as a storage facility for local companies. The Dorsetts turned the >> renovation of the depot into a labor of love. >> >> ?You do not do it for financial gain. Nobody who does historical >> preservation is making a lot of money off it,? Dorsett told me. ?For my >> parents, they bought it because my mother believed young parents should >> be > >> able to bring their kids here and say, this is what a train station >> looked > >> like,? Dorsett added. >> >> The building still maintains much of teh original materials from more >> than > >> a century ago. On the wall, you?ll find grafitti left by former workers. >> >> Today, the building serves as a work space for Dorsett Publication, a toy >> store where the money raised helps buy paint for the building, and even a >> home for Megan. >> >> But perhaps its most important purpose, a Cambria Museum. >> >> ?A history of a people who live in a place. Tells the story of how a >> place developed, on a base level,? Dorsett says. >> >> Source: >> > http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/a_look_inside_c > hristiansburg_cambria_depot/64515/ >> >> As of: December 1, 2009 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 >> ********************************************** > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: 11/30/09 > 07:31:00 > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:06:35 -0500 (EST) > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Santa Arrives by Rail > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org > Message-ID: <1102859292478.1102037581941.652.8.1512050C at scheduler> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Santa Arrives By Rail > ON AN EVENING EXPRESS > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > this Saturday December 5! > 4:30 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. > Come experience Christmas cheer, in true Roanoke style. Hang out with > Santa (the > real one) in the historic N&W Passenger Station at night this year! > We encourage wearing pajamas (no matter how old you are) and taking lots > of pictures. > Link staff and volunteers will be most festively clad in holiday pj's and > one of > us will be donning chicken slippers (obviously you do not want to miss > that). > Admission is $5 or $4 if you bring along a canned food donation for the > Southwest > Virginia Second Harvest Food Bank. Please come to the front of the > building to > purchase your admission. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Santa By Rail 2009 Features > All this is included in your admission; call us to buy your tickets in > advance! > 540-982-5465 > See you Saturday, > (word cloud created by wordle > [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102859292478&s=652&e=001yXfNNYuCwa7l2JycnVg9ycqH5fYVQWrgD6EpSpfXgrgqqSJLPxppBEHndLdMWrDX0BkHm9TjLtuwotWTkEUTEi35rXg9_TkQXjQgqXh8AV8=]) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > www.linkmuseum.org > [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102859292478&s=652&e=001yXfNNYuCwa7jbDqMjjdeQSVdak4HSX9Hx6X6PbplmgaeG5PMvK_804oWPBkjL86Sso-dVWH7rzHxPTbr2G0Vl5pjwAx1dC_vVOYPBCnoes_xrS6a2NtB2w==] > Link Museum Store > [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102859292478&s=652&e=001yXfNNYuCwa6YrMBrSz5UFogwZyxgeEcNstmxV61Gmbo3UvxDdfrD7hdGScQqZyQWLszx6fm9b_VamMd3fszgSOqxdxxTNB5HzmtXnQNVsNzFVhMVjv133g==] > Find Us on Facebook > [http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102859292478&s=652&e=001yXfNNYuCwa6ScBQjWJhtykAZ5w9fYyrEgUKIkCf5p8Z7ielJm0FHqllHfShuVtdp93_e2fAxWWKg-Mnc9oOGO50rLaLKsSKdwYF0knRwBreVHDdQTEhpdFXxB88ex8waE5XKjv6ZRFQrMZHwkJUGk_QIeDNSUP9W] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Join Our Mailing List > [http://visitor.constantcontact.com/email.jsp?m=1102037581941] > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Forward email > http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1102037581941&ea=nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org&a=1102859292478 > > > This email was sent to nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org by > programs at linkmuseum.org. > > Update Profile/Email Address > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?v=0016kgdmuAR3nDd10OkCRJamFipq861sxHcWUgiwYezvKg7MboCak7DjVPbRtlKedb3&p=oo > > Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?v=0016kgdmuAR3nDd10OkCRJamFipq861sxHcWUgiwYezvKg7MboCak7DjVPbRtlKedb3&p=un > > Privacy Policy: > http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp > > > Email Marketing by > Constant Contact(R) > www.constantcontact.com > > > O. Winston Link Museum | 101 Shenandoah Ave | Roanoke | VA | 24016 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:48:35 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Flat Top Yard > To: Norfolk Western Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Louis Newton, > > > > Thank you for your description of Flat Top Yard that adds a lot of > 'realism' to the picture. > > > > Of the three spurs attached to the mid-part of the yard, what might have > been placed or parked there? Helpers for Elkhorn? > > > > Thank you, > > Dave Willis > > (blt 1962, c/n 4) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:57:20 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: RE: Flat Top Yard > To: NW Mailing List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dave: I'll bite. What does c/n stand for in your signature? I know I've > seen it before, can't think of what it might mean. Thanks > _________________________________ > Mike Weeks, LCSW, LCAS > M1, Brody School of Medicine 2013 > MSW, UNC at Charlotte 2003 > BS Acct, UNC at Charlotte 1989 > ________________________________________ > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] > On Behalf Of NW Mailing List [nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:48 PM > To: Norfolk Western Mailing List > Subject: Flat Top Yard > > Louis Newton, > > Thank you for your description of Flat Top Yard that adds a lot of > 'realism' to the picture. > > Of the three spurs attached to the mid-part of the yard, what might have > been placed or parked there? Helpers for Elkhorn? > > Thank you, > Dave Willis > (blt 1962, c/n 4) > > ________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. Click here to > download. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:47:11 -0500 > From: NW Mailing List > Subject: Re: "Battleships" > To: "NW Mailing List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The Bluefield Daily Telegraph articles from 1903 thru 1909 that I been > posting on the Mailing List make several references to N&W (and once to > C&O) > "battleships" or "battleship" COAL cars, not battleship GONS. I don't > have > much info on these early cars, but I think the reference was to 50 and 55 > ton steel hopper cars which were being placed in service and which were so > much larger than the wooden body hopper cars that were being replaced. > > Gordon Hamilton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NW Mailing List" > To: "'NW Mailing List'" > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:18 AM > Subject: RE: "Battleships" > > >> But in 1911 there were no big gons to be referred to by that title. Jim >> Nichols >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org >> [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:13 PM >> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org >> Subject: Re: "Battleships" >> >> This subject has been discussed before. >> >> "Battleship" is not necessarily a railfan term. >> >> "Battleships" were referred to in N&W Pocahontas Division timetables as >> early as 1911 under the subject "FIGURES TO BE USED IN COMPUTING TONNAGE >> FOR CARS OF DIFFERENT CAPACITY AND LOADING." >> >> When loaded with coal, "Battleships" were to be computed (estimated) to >> have >> >> a gross weight of 78 tons per car; when loaded with coke, at 67 tons per >> car. >> >> Louis Newton >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> at Hanging Rock, OH. It is of an 0-4-0 #2 named the? >>> "John Kyle." Anyone have any additional in> A friend of mine inquired >> about a photo he has in his collection that is >>> labeled as being formation on this locomotive, >>> dates of operation or owner etc? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Whit >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >>> To change your subscription go to >>> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >>> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >>> To change your subscription go to >>> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >>> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >>> To change your subscription go to >>> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >>> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> >> > 6d40/attachment.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:32:07 -0500 >>> From: NW Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: 0-4-0 "John Kyle" >>> To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org >>> Message-ID: <20091201003207.F3P2B.151065.root at cdptpa-web09-z02> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> There is a siding near Hanging Rock that lead to a coal dealer. They >>> might >> >>> have had an 0-4-0 to move cars. >>> >>> Larry S. >>> N&W Signal Dept. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:26:12 -0800 (PST) >>> From: NW Mailing List >>> Subject: Christiansburg (Cambria) station >>> To: Ned Wright >>> Message-ID: <529925.56998.qm at web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Hello, Ned: >>> >>> Thanks for the article. I stopped by in 2007 and met Mr. Dorsett. They >>> constructed an apartment within the east end of the freight room. He >>> was >>> successful in having the structure added to the National Historic >>> Register >> >>> even though it is on Norfolk Southern leased land. >>> >>> Happy holidays, >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> =================================================================== >>> >>> A look inside Christiansburg?s Cambria depot >>> >>> The Dorsett family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a >>> 20-year period as a storage facility for local companies 0 Ratings | 104 >>> By Chris Whitley | Digital Journalist >>> Published: November 24, 2009 >>> Updated: November 25, 2009 >>> >>> CHRISTIANSBURG - Originally this area was known as Bangs. Then sometime >>> in the 1870?s it was changed to Ronald after a Civil War hero from >>> Blacksburg. They they thought Ronald was not a good name for a town, >>> and >>> named it Cambria. >>> >>> Now a part of Christiansburg, Cambria is the home of a historic train >>> depot. It was originally built in 1868, then converted from a passenger >>> station to a freight station in 1906. Nearly all of the freight traffic >>> for Montgomery County and Floyd County came through the depot, according >>> to Megan Dorsett. >>> >>> Her family bought the train depot back in 1983, following a 20-year >>> period >> >>> as a storage facility for local companies. The Dorsetts turned the >>> renovation of the depot into a labor of love. >>> >>> ?You do not do it for financial gain. Nobody who does historical >>> preservation is making a lot of money off it,? Dorsett told me. ?For my >>> parents, they bought it because my mother believed young parents should >>> be >> >>> able to bring their kids here and say, this is what a train station >>> looked >> >>> like,? Dorsett added. >>> >>> The building still maintains much of teh original materials from more >>> than >> >>> a century ago. On the wall, you?ll find grafitti left by former >>> workers. >>> >>> Today, the building serves as a work space for Dorsett Publication, a >>> toy >>> store where the money raised helps buy paint for the building, and even >>> a >>> home for Megan. >>> >>> But perhaps its most important purpose, a Cambria Museum. >>> >>> ?A history of a people who live in a place. Tells the story of how a >>> place developed, on a base level,? Dorsett says. >>> >>> Source: >>> >> http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/local/new_river_valley/article/a_look_inside_c >> hristiansburg_cambria_depot/64515/ >>> >>> As of: December 1, 2009 >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >>> To change your subscription go to >>> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >>> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >>> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >>> >>> End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 >>> ********************************************** >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.87/2536 - Release Date: >> 11/30/09 >> 07:31:00 >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ >> >> ________________________________________ >> NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >> To change your subscription go to >> http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >> Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >> http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 > 14:43:00 > > > > ------------------------------ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3 > ********************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 19:43:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 3 12:00:05 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:00:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: "Battleships" Message-ID: <623102790.127079.1259859605080.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 3 13:42:52 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Battleships? Message-ID: <1686715012.5402261259865772069.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'm guessing that Battleships here "could" be applied in 1911?to any gondola coal car (flat-bottomed or with hoppers) that had more coal capacity than 55 or 57 1/2 tons . . . . or more than that of the N&W "standard" coal car for that era?? Did the term disappear?with the?appearance of the?USRA 70-ton design? On the C&O side, circa 1902-3, Battleships was the term applied by the Hinton newspaper (and maybe railroad) folks to the C&Os?new all-steel 50-ton hopper cars . . . relative to their older wooden 40-ton hopper cars . . .especially in loaded yard switching situations.? Apparently, wooden center-sills lost. Do we have written N&W documents or accounts from the 30s, 40s, or 50s of Battleships ? Al Kresse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 3 21:33:05 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:33:05 -0500 Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren Message-ID: <4B1874E1.2030504@vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin Twenty" with ten of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Attending with us from Norfolk, VA was former Virginian Railway Clerk, Abner Ersel Glass. Most of us know him as "Little Abner" but last night VGN Clerk Glen McLain let it slip that Abner was known as "Ersel" at Sewalls Point. Ersel told us of recent flooding in Norfolk and memories of riding the Virginian Passenger trains with his Mom. He said that she told him "there is no need to take a bath two days before our train trip, because thirty minutes after boarding, you will be dirty again". He also recalled while clerking on the VGN, reporting a fire caused by the exhaust from one of the VGN Fairbanks-Morse switchers working a lumber yard. He and the crew were able to "stomp out the fire before it got to the lumber". Also attending with us was Eddie Mooneyham, Vice-President of the Roanoke Chapter NRHS and Friend of the Virginian Railway. It was like Christmas already when Eddie brought out his "bag of goodies". He gave the Brethren Hotel Roanoke (when the N&W owned it) coasters and had a drawing and gave out several Shenandoah Valley Railroad hats and shirts. He also brought VGN Timetable #15, an EL-C wiring diagram book, 1936 VGN Safety Rule Book and an SC RR $5 bill for "Show and Tell". Eddie also has for sale the perfect Christmas gift for a rail fan: Long Island 32 foot bay window caboose class N22B, #C67 complete with roller bearings, primed and ready to paint in any shade of red you want. He "will let it go for about $8,000". Ebay had some "hot Virginian items" sold last week: Clear Tall Globe (no lantern, just globe) marked "VIRGINIAN RY" for $401.10; 1950 VGN Annual Report $14.50; 1958 VGN Annual Report $104.49; Set of VGN Date Nails with VGN patch for $25.45; and a 1955 VGN "Coal on the Move" for $27.55. I passed around the January 2010 "Trains" magazine and the Oct-Nov-Dec N&WHS "The Arrow". A Dave Blaze photo of an original Norfolk Southern covered hopper taken in October this year in Anchorage Alaska was also shown. Also passed was Dale Wimbrow's 1934 "The Guy in the Glass" poem that was made famous last Saturday when, now fired University of Virginia football coach Al Groh, read it after Virginia Tech beat UVA 42-13. The last verse: "You can fool the whole world down the pathway of years, and get pats on the back as you pass; but your final reward will be heartaches and tears if you've cheated the guy in the glass". We discussed the death of N&W engineer Fredrick A. Whittaker on Thanksgiving Day. Wis Sowder was his friend and neighbor. Mr. Whittaker was at the top of N&W's Radford Division Seniority list for years and he retired after bringing the last Amtrak train into Roanoke. Many of the Brethren knew him. Louis Newton asked me about a month ago if we could help with getting Mr. Whittaker on our Bluefield Excursion train, the first weekend in November. I worked with our ticket master, Jim Cosby, and we got him, his daughter and Bill Honeycutt in the same car. We even got a friendly couple to give up a nice window seat on the New River side, so Mr. Whittaker could see the River for what turned out to be his last train ride on his beloved Radford Division... I showed the Brethren a clipping out of Monday's "Roanoke Times" entitled "50 years ago today": "The first merger of two wholly independent American railroads in modern time will become a legal and physical reality at 12:01 AM Tuesday December 1, when the Norfolk and Western and The Virginian become a single system--the expanded Norfolk and Western Railway". My good friend and steam locomotive authority Bud Jeffries emailed me on Tuesday about this and reminded me that the merger took place also on a Tuesday, 50 years ago. VGN Engineer Raymond East commented that it "seemed like yesterday when that first N&W diesel and crew came to South Yard". Posted at the Country Cookin' and given to the Brethren was a flyer about our Candy Cane Shifter train rides on December 12 at our 9th Street Siding of the Roanoke Chapter NRHS. We will begin at 9 AM and give rides until about 4 PM. Mrs. Santa Clause will be riding the N&W Caboose #518409 pulled by the Chapter's N&W GP-30 #522. There will also be a drawing for an NS HO train set for some lucky rider. Tickets are free but donations are gratefully accepted. All are welcome to take part in this event. I told a story to our waitress Princess about a train crew that stopped by a restaurant and decided to "take their twenty there". The brakeman and conductor went to a booth and opened their dinner buckets and proceeded to start eating a sandwich. The waitress approached the men and told them "You can't eat your own sandwiches in here". The crew, being resourceful, immediately swapped sandwiches! Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon __._,_.___ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Dec 3 22:10:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:10:32 -0500 Subject: N&W Territory in 1910--CC&O Message-ID: <391DA72F0D8040CF893F9A2A55897ECC@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 18, 1910 C.C.&O. OFFICIALS HERE IN SPECIAL TRAIN ------ Leave for Visit to Dumps Creek Section But Say Trip Has No Special Significance Mark W. Potter, chairman of the board of directors of the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio and the Clinchfield Coal Corporation, accompanied by Mr. Lore [sic., should be Loree], president of the Delaware and Hudson Railroad, arrived in the city last night on No. 3 and were joined here by M. J. Caples, vice president and general manager of the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio. The party left here in a special train for Dumps Creek and other points on their properties. The special train was made up of a Clinchfield engine and Clinchfield cars Nos. 1, 2 and 111. The crew was made up of B. H. Spencer, conductor; S. F. Allen, engineer; Mr. Eaton, fireman; W. W. Webb, brakeman; Mr. Stone, and G. F. Meredith road foreman of engines. All of the crew with the exception of Mr. Eaton, who came from the Southern Railway, were Norfolk and Western men and all but one went to the Carolina, Clinchfield and Ohio from this division. Mr. Caples, the general manager of the road, was formerly superintendent of this division so it can readily be seen that the train was no stranger to this road. Mr. Potter was asked by a Telegraph man if his road was building the line which is being surveyed in Buchanan county, as has been reported in the Daily Telegraph. He said he did not know anything of the road and scouted the idea that a railroad was to be built, although he said he hoped such was the case, so that his road could make some good freight arrangements with the line. Mr. Caples and Mr. Potter had both seen the report and Mr. Caples seemed to think the proposed road is a lumber road but when asked if he though it was being built by the C. L. Ritter Lumber Company he said he did not know. Mr. Potter in speaking about the future of the south said that some of these days Charleston, S. C., and Spartanburg would be big cities. "Charleston, you know," he said, "will have the same rate on coal that Norfolk enjoys on Pocahontas coal and that should give us a market in the south. With iron and other industries in the neighborhood of Charleston that city will take its place in the rank of the big cities." Mr. Potter when asked about the purchase of additional coal lands by his company said his company now has enough coal to mine ten millions of tons per year for the next hundred years and it would not look as though they were in the market for more. He was enthusiastic about the road with which he is connected and bespeaks great success for it. Mr. Potter said the trip has no especial significance but was made so that the properties might be looked over. ------ [I find it interesting that a CC&O engine would be used on the N&W. Also, this is the second case where a new railroad was significantly staffed by ex-N&W people. Earlier articles cited some Virginian employees that came from the N&W.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 4 20:20:57 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:20:57 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Overheated Message-ID: <1EBD4A64D4D34DF4A6871A20F617C128@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 21, 1910 OVERCOME BY HEAT ------ Engineer Whittaker Has to be Relieved in Honaker Tunnel Engineer George Whittaker was overcome yesterday afternoon in the Honaker tunnel by excessive heat and had to be relieved by another engineer. Before his condition was discovered his face was slightly scalded by escaping steam. His fireman did not feel the effects of the heat. This is the first prostration recorded so far this summer. ------ [My grandfather was an engineer on the Pocahontas Division, starting before the electrification. My grandmother told me that the steam engine crews on eastbound coal trains slowly climbing the grade to the tight, single-track Coaldale (aka, Elkhorn, Flat Top) Tunnel would keep a bucket of burlap bags in water on the engine cab deck and when they approached the tunnel they would wrap the bags around their heads, except for their noses, and sometimes their noses would get burned in the tunnel.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Dec 4 10:06:03 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:06:03 -0500 Subject: K1/ K2/K2a performance References: <6A0CE3D6B7304FB88DC2A92FAFA3E173@Jimmy> <002701ca3e1c$106e7040$314b50c0$@net> <000601ca3e4f$829d8420$87d88c60$@net> Message-ID: Much has been written about performance levels of N&W's big three. I have never seen much about the K1 & K2 4-8-2's. How would they compare to the NYC & PRR Mountain types? Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Dec 5 10:37:52 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:37:52 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Wreck Message-ID: <9729CD791E034F51987559159323CDCD@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 22, 1910 PASSENGER TRAIN ON VIRGINIAN WRECKED ------ Baggage Car, Two Crowded Day Coaches and Club Car Derailed But No One Was Injured Train No. 13 on the Virginian Railway was wrecked yesterday morning between Eggleston and Pembroke, the tender of the engine, one baggage car, two day coaches and the club car being thrown from the track. The coaches and the baggage car were derailed in such a manner that they lay against the bank. The entire train was well filled with passengers on their way to Roanoke to attend the ball game. How they came to go through the wreck without serious injuries is a mystery but up to late in the afternoon no one was reported hurt, although a number were badly frightened when the cars left the track and turned on their side. A message from the division offices of the company at Princeton yesterday said that no one was injured. The superintendent's office claimed that it did not have a report of the number of passengers on the train when the wreck occurred. The office also claimed that the club car was not completely overturned, only the front trucks having left the track. Wreck trains were sent from Princeton to the scene of the accident but up to a late hour yesterday afternoon the cars had not been gotten back so that they could go ahead. Passengers were transferred so that could go ahead. Passengers were transferred so that they might continue their trips. The chief clerk to the superintendent said yesterday afternoon that the cause of the wreck had not been determined but judging from the lay of the cars it was most likely either a broken flange or a spread rail. This is the second passenger wreck the road has had within a few weeks, and strange to say, in both cases no one was seriously injured. Passengers on No. 1 on the Norfolk and Western who passed the scene of the Virginian wreck about 11:30 yesterday morning claimed that all the cars had overturned except the engine. The Virginian runs on the opposite side of the river from the Norfolk and Western where the wreck occurred. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Dec 5 15:11:36 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:11:36 -0500 Subject: Fw: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] Virginian in 1910--Wreck Message-ID: Double checking the train number on the copy from the microfilm, although slightly blurred, it still appears to be "No. 13," but if the train were taking people to Roanoke for a ball game, the train number would have been No. 14. GH ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Hamilton To: 4VGN Ry Yahoo Group ; 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: [VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts] Virginian in 1910--Wreck Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 22, 1910 PASSENGER TRAIN ON VIRGINIAN WRECKED ------ Baggage Car, Two Crowded Day Coaches and Club Car Derailed But No One Was Injured Train No. 13 on the Virginian Railway was wrecked yesterday morning between Eggleston and Pembroke, the tender of the engine, one baggage car, two day coaches and the club car being thrown from the track. The coaches and the baggage car were derailed in such a manner that they lay against the bank. The entire train was well filled with passengers on their way to Roanoke to attend the ball game. How they came to go through the wreck without serious injuries is a mystery but up to late in the afternoon no one was reported hurt, although a number were badly frightened when the cars left the track and turned on their side. A message from the division offices of the company at Princeton yesterday said that no one was injured. The superintendent's office claimed that it did not have a report of the number of passengers on the train when the wreck occurred. The office also claimed that the club car was not completely overturned, only the front trucks having left the track. Wreck trains were sent from Princeton to the scene of the accident but up to a late hour yesterday afternoon the cars had not been gotten back so that they could go ahead. Passengers were transferred so that could go ahead. Passengers were transferred so that they might continue their trips. The chief clerk to the superintendent said yesterday afternoon that the cause of the wreck had not been determined but judging from the lay of the cars it was most likely either a broken flange or a spread rail. This is the second passenger wreck the road has had within a few weeks, and strange to say, in both cases no one was seriously injured. Passengers on No. 1 on the Norfolk and Western who passed the scene of the Virginian wreck about 11:30 yesterday morning claimed that all the cars had overturned except the engine. The Virginian runs on the opposite side of the river from the Norfolk and Western where the wreck occurred. ------ Gordon Hamilton __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: a.. New Members 5 Visit Your Group Start a New Topic "Takin' 20 with the Virginian Brethren" meeting reports and comments on your questions from retirees usually posted after Wednesday nights. http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/VirginianRailwayEnthusiasts/ MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green living -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use. __,_._,___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.95/2546 - Release Date: 12/05/09 03:13:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Dec 6 03:58:58 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 03:58:58 -0500 Subject: abandoned tunnels References: <6A0CE3D6B7304FB88DC2A92FAFA3E173@Jimmy> <002701ca3e1c$106e7040$314b50c0$@net><000601ca3e4f$829d8420$87d88c60$@net> Message-ID: <5E7F66343CC544D0A77900F3A32F517B@YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> Something I stumbled over, I would like to share it with you fine folks... http://www.vtunderground.com/other/eggleston.htm Andy Jennings blt74 cn3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Dec 6 08:50:02 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:50:02 -0500 Subject: abandoned tunnels In-Reply-To: <5E7F66343CC544D0A77900F3A32F517B@YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> References: <6A0CE3D6B7304FB88DC2A92FAFA3E173@Jimmy> <002701ca3e1c$106e7040$314b50c0$@net><000601ca3e4f$829d8420$87d88c60$@net> <5E7F66343CC544D0A77900F3A32F517B@YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> Message-ID: <1AE5A77582D956479BB3952950D0121C012C163F@lex98ex1> Andy: An interesting site. Do you know who originated the site? George Weber High Point, NC ________________________________ From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 3:59 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: abandoned tunnels Something I stumbled over, I would like to share it with you fine folks... http://www.vtunderground.com/other/eggleston.htm Andy Jennings blt74 cn3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Dec 6 11:14:28 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:14:28 -0500 Subject: abandoned tunnels In-Reply-To: <5E7F66343CC544D0A77900F3A32F517B@YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> References: <6A0CE3D6B7304FB88DC2A92FAFA3E173@Jimmy> <002701ca3e1c$106e7040$314b50c0$@net><000601ca3e4f$829d8420$87d88c60$@net> <5E7F66343CC544D0A77900F3A32F517B@YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910133F8C4FE@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> I was at one of these tunnels during July thanks to an N&W maintainer (I knew from High School in Narrows) telling me about it. This old tunnel was reopened to allow the railway a means of following the right of way with MofW and signal dept trucks and equipment due to the centering of the single track mainline in the (active) once double track Eggleston Tunnel to support Heartland Corridor clearance requirements. Centering the track in the tunnel did not leave room for non rail equipment to pass through so opening the old tunnel was performed. I didn't walk completely through it due to not having a flashlight. I would assume both may have been opened and cleared for this reason? I didn't see the second tunnel. Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 2:59 AM To: NW Mailing List Subject: abandoned tunnels Something I stumbled over, I would like to share it with you fine folks... http://www.vtunderground.com/other/eggleston.htm Andy Jennings blt74 cn3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Dec 6 11:23:54 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:23:54 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Special train Message-ID: Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 24, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Special Convention Train A special train has been arranged to run from Bluefield to Princeton for the benefit of those who desire to attend the Democratic county convention on Saturday, July 3rd. The basis of representation is one vote for every fifty cast for Bennett. Those present from each of the magisterial districts will cast the entire strength of that district. ------ [If anybody had asked me if a train had ever traveled from Bluefield to Princeton, I would have said, "slip chance," but maybe it happened. I would guess the route would have been from Bluefield to Matoaka on the Bluestone branch and then on the Virginian to Princeton. The electric interurban connecting the two cities was not in service until mid 1916.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Dec 6 11:22:42 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:22:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: N&W in 1910--injury In-Reply-To: <6274B8D42EDF42C5A9FD4316F840D939@DellVostro> References: <6274B8D42EDF42C5A9FD4316F840D939@DellVostro> Message-ID: <175437.75674.qm@web180412.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> An interesting commentary between "then" and "now" is how Engineer Shelton is laid off work due to a work-related injury. Can that still happen on the railroads? It is unthinkable in my industry (hazardous waste cleanup), at least with my company. John Samples ________________________________ From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 7:59:34 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--injury Bluefield Daily Telegraph June 8, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Engineer Slightly Injured ??? Engineer R. I. Shelton was slightly injured yesterday afternoon by being struck in the neck by a piece of an exploded torpedo as his train was passing Cleveland, Va.? He was relieved at St. Paul and will return to this city on No. 12 today.? Other than a lay off for several days Engineer Shelton is all right, a fact his many friends will be glad to learn. ------ [The attached photo of a track torpedo shows the two lead straps that are bent to secure the torpedo to the rail head.? I remember being told not to stand near a torpedo because the explosion could send the straps flying.? That is obviously why N&W operating Rule 15 states, in part, "Torpedoes must not be placed at stations or one public crossings."? Apparently, Engineer Shelton was leaning out the cab window and got hit by one of the flying torpedo straps.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Dec 6 12:16:43 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Abandoned tunnels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1392009746.5967421260119803786.JavaMail.root@sz0041a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Andy, Do we know who's tunnels those were ooriginally?? . . . . ?mainline or local branch trackage?? Neat stuff to find. Al Kresse ----- Original Message ----- From: nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2009 12:00:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9 Send NW-Mailing-List mailing list submissions to ????????nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ????????http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/nw-mailing-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ????????nw-mailing-list-request at nwhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at ????????nw-mailing-list-owner at nwhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NW-Mailing-List digest..." Today's Topics: ?? 1. abandoned tunnels (NW Mailing List) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 03:58:58 -0500 From: NW Mailing List Subject: abandoned tunnels To: "NW Mailing List" Message-ID: <5E7F66343CC544D0A77900F3A32F517B at YOUR6D7EAC4F7F> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Something I stumbled over, I would like to share it with you fine folks... http://www.vtunderground.com/other/eggleston.htm Andy Jennings blt74 cn3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ End of NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9 ********************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: