From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 12:37:32 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:37:32 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Fatality References: <3B4737985EDA4B209062713F9862D66B@DellVostro> <807CB08911C65441BCECE14320B31A2F05DBF83048@rivendell.cc.w2k.vt.edu> Message-ID: <004f01ca66e3$7a6b4460$6500a8c0@Dad> I know it was still there when you and I were schoolboys in the late '60's, Ray. Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 'NW Mailing List' Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: RE: Virginian in 1910--Fatality Does anyone know when the Shelby passing track was removed? My recollection is that it was around until the 1980's but I am not sure. Thanks. Ray Smoot From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:00 PM To: 4VGN Ry Yahoo Group; 3N&W Mailing List Subject: Virginian in 1910--Fatality Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 21, 1910 FIREMAN EATON KILLED ------ Extra Freight Train on Virginian Crashed Into Slide Extra freight No. 437 on the Virginian crashed into a slide at Shelby yesterday, derailing a large engine and eight cars besides killing the fireman, Roy Eaton. The freight was an eastbound coal train, carrying a long train of cars. Only a few details can be secured. It was expected that the track would be cleared, repaired and traffic resumed by night. Some of the railroad men claim that the heavy Mallet engines are responsible for the wrecks. Their immense weight added to the immense weight of the long trains wears on the newly made track to such an extent that it is not physically able to stand the traffic. ------ [Shelby at MP 279.1, just west of the summit of the grade near the N&W overhead crossing at Merrimack and near the west end of Allegheny Tunnel, was the location of a passing siding.] Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 12:34:31 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:34:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <257884.19430.qm@web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> The article says the crown sheet failed, but didn't specifically describe a complete boiler launch scenario. I'm assuming 484 would have been an M class 4-8-0 with a deckless cab? If the crown sheet blew but the boiler held, it's possible that the explosion blasted steam out through the fire door and killed the fireman standing behind the backhead, and injured the brakeman (presumably standing somewhere on the tender deck), but the engineer would have been relatively safe in his position at the side of the boiler. Does anyone know the subsequent history of no. 484? She would have only been 3 or 4 years old at the time, was she repaired and put back into service? Richard Jenkins > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > May 24, 1910 > > ENGINE BLOWS UP, KILLING FIREMAN CARVER > ------ > ? ? Engine No. 484 blew up this morning... > ------ > [It is difficult to understand how the engineer escaped > injury in a boiler explosion... > > Gordon Hamilton From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 13:37:57 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:37:57 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Explosion References: Message-ID: <98489F43385C45ECB6F159905F26E721@Gene> This raises a number of thoughts and questions for me. Negligence of watching the water gauge glass seems more the cause rather that a tender full or empty of water. If the tender was empty, seems that the crew should droped the fires? Could the tender have been leaking in excess, unbe known to the crew, even so, back to the guage glass negligence. It would have been very unlikely that both glasses ( Fireman side and engineer side) would have been clogged with sediment? Was there not a periodically required blow down for these glasses? The engineer must have had a fore warning to escape a crown sheet failure. Gene Arnold Gloucester, Va. ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: 3N&W Mailing List Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: N&W in 1910--Explosion Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 24, 1910 ENGINE BLOWS UP, KILLING FIREMAN CARVER ------ Brakeman Smith Seriously Scalded in Disaster Near Oakvale Early This Morning Engine No. 484 blew up this morning shortly after 2 o'clock, killing Fireman H. H. Carver and seriously scalding Brakeman Smith, whose initials could not be learned. Engineer McGhee, who was driving the engine was not injured. The crown sheet of the engine blew out while the train was coming west about a mile east of Oakvale. No details could be learned here, as the wreck occurred on the Radford division, the headquarters for which are Roanoke. Dr. St. Clair and a number of men were sent to the scene of the accident at 3:15 on a special train. The dead man will be brought to this city and the burns of the injured brakeman will be tended to. It is not known what caused the accident, as the engine must have taken water at Blake, a tank nearby. The engineer and fireman, as well as the brakeman, are not known here and the only person who could give any information on the subject was the secretary of the railroad Y. M. C. A., who was not sure of the brakeman's initials. ------ [It is difficult to understand how the engineer escaped injury in a boiler explosion. Also, Blake is west of Oakvale so a westbound train likely would not have taken water at Blake before the explosion. An article in the newspaper the next day gave the location of the explosion as east of Ada, which is west of Blake, so the westbound train could have taken water at Blake before the explosion.] Gordon Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 20:59:52 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:59:52 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Station master Message-ID: <759C985AB7064F6A9C4E97B3B3E2C6EC@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 24, 1910 THINK STATION MASTER SHOULD HAVE A MEDAL ------ Men About the Depot Say Hardly a Day Passes That He Does Not Prevent an Accident Some of the men at the depot think that Gus Hubbard should receive a Carnegie hero medal. He is not a hero in the commonly accepted sense of the word, but hardly a day passes that he does not prevent someone from cutting his or her legs off or even ending their existence on this earth. Gus is the local station master and his work is to see that the trains get out of the depot on time and a number of other things which the ordinary man does not see him do. Every day when No. 1 pulls out of the station, preparatory to backing up on the second track so as to hitch up to the dining car and Pullman which comes to this city from the east. Gus takes his place on the curb and no sooner does he do this than two or three, sometimes men and sometimes women, start to catch the train thinking they are about to get left. This is where Mr. Hubbard shines, for often he sees these people and shouts at them in a commanding voice with the result that they give up the effort to catch the train and in this way prevent what might be a serious accident. Somehow or other people will try to board that moving train every day, and if it were not for the watchful station master, it is very likely that someone would lose a limb at least once a week. ------ Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 09:33:10 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:33:10 -0500 Subject: Radford, Pocahontas & Scioto Divisions 1950s In-Reply-To: <3516D9F6-A415-406F-8982-99FED7D67E8D@earthlink.net> References: <167831.68303.qm@web23901.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <3516D9F6-A415-406F-8982-99FED7D67E8D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CC34E0DAE02AB5-798-2E45@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Guys: I think we are getting too far down the track on pushers on Kingston Hill. They may have been used in earlier days around the turn of the century (we need to check the employee timetables for certainty). Do we have facts? I do have the file on the changes in Chillicothe (somewhere) due to dynamometer car tests with Y-3?s. There was a sag in the RoW in Chilli that took the Y-3?s ?off the power curve? that was measured by tests. Improvements in the line and grade allowed a better run at the hill for w/b?s and allowed the Y-3?s to run at their best performance under load. The N&W made these tests while the C&O was still running on the Scioto Division 1917-1927. This change in grade and RoW was done in 1924 if I remember correctly. This file does not discuss the use of pushers on these Y-3 pulled trains at all. It does discuss the increase in tonnage on the trains. Gary Rolih Cincinnati Went back to a 1923 Scioto Division timetable and here are the ratings Portsmouth to Joyce Avenue: year - 1923 1924 1925 1926 1929 1934 1942 Time freight 2500 2500 2800 3100 3400 3800 5600 Slow freight 6500 7000 7000 7500 8500 10,000* 12,500 * Indicates ratings for H.P. Y-3s Each year, it appears that the tonnage rating went up. In the timetables, there were no instructions for doubling the hill or tonnage ratings WITH pusher. That done, I thought the climb from the Scioto River up Delano Hill was THE grade in both directions. It wasn't. The ruling grade is eastbound from Dorney to Kingston -- 0.43%. Only have two years of ratings from Joyce Avenue to Portsmouth for Y-3s: Year 1923 1956 Slow-Loads 5000 6700 Mtys 2500 3900 Time 2500 5150 Harry Bundy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 12:23:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:23:46 -0500 Subject: Virginian in 1910--Fatality References: <9B13567F26CA4424998FDFAE6182EA70@DellVostro> Message-ID: "I see that I misspelled "Merrimac" in my comment on the newspaper article in the previous message. Sorry, Gordon Hamilton" That's OK Gordon. The folks at MTH can't spell it either! Jimmy Lisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 16:58:11 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:58:11 -0500 Subject: Lynchburg's 12th Street Station Message-ID: <540e48700911161358r561a515enf784e3b34d1a0114@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have a date when the 12th Street Station of the old Lynchburg & Durham line was closed, please? Thanks. Bob Cohen From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 22:05:11 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:05:11 -0500 Subject: CSX to raise tunnels Message-ID: <20091117030518.CNDH11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Mon Nov 16 23:02:58 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:02:58 -0500 Subject: Class M number 484 Message-ID: <20091117040301.LBCE19505.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Class M number 484 was sold as scrap at Roanoke on 5-30-1950. Bud Jeffries >----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" > >To: >Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:34 PM >Subject: Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 33 > > >The article says the crown sheet failed, but didn't specifically >describe a complete boiler launch scenario. I'm assuming 484 would >have been an M class 4-8-0 with a deckless cab? If the crown sheet >blew but the boiler held, it's possible that the explosion blasted >steam out through the fire door and killed the fireman standing >behind the backhead, and injured the brakeman (presumably standing >somewhere on the tender deck), but the engineer would have been >relatively safe in his position at the side of the boiler. Does >anyone know the subsequent history of no. 484? She would have only >been 3 or 4 years old at the time, was she repaired and put back into service? > >Richard Jenkins > > >>Bluefield Daily Telegraph >>May 24, 1910 >> >>ENGINE BLOWS UP, KILLING FIREMAN CARVER >>------ > >>Engine No. 484 blew up this morning... >>------ >>[It is difficult to understand how the engineer escaped >>injury in a boiler explosion... >> >>Gordon Hamilton > >________________________________________ >NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org >To change your subscription go to >http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list >Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at >http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 17 12:19:21 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:19:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Class M number 484 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <138496.58572.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Which scrapyard did she go to? I'm just thinking that date is only a couple weeks before the four surviving steamers from Virginia Scrap Iron & Metal arrived in the yard. Makes me wonder if the orphaned 4-8-0 pilot truck that sat behind no. 917 in the yard (and is now the basis for her "tender" on display in Ohio) might have come from no. 484. Richard Jenkins > Class M number 484 was sold as scrap at Roanoke on > 5-30-1950. > > Bud Jeffries > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" > >Does anyone know the subsequent history of no. 484?? From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 17 14:44:47 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:44:47 -0500 Subject: CSX to raise tunnels References: <20091117030518.CNDH11036.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <003501ca67be$6c29db10$6500a8c0@Dad> Despite the excitement evident in the article, judging from the accompanying map, this corridor would barely knick West Virginia. To be competitive with the Heartland Corridor, you'd think they'd raise the tunnels along the former C&O mainline. This just gives more support to the idea that CSX has ceded Hampton Roads and its status as a day closer to Europe and the rest of the world to NS. Looks more like an effort to boost the port of Wilmington, which is at least a day further from the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic than Hampton Roads, than a serious effort to boost export/import container traffic. Sam Putney ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: CSX to raise tunnels http://www.herald-dispatch.com/business/x786767294/CSX-would-allow-double-stack-trains-through-Mid-Atlantic CSX would allow double-stack trains through Mid-Atlantic November 14, 2009 @ 10:35 PM JEAN TARBETT HARDIMAN The Herald-Dispatch As Prichard and southwestern West Virginia get ready Norfolk Southern Corp.'s double-stacked trains to move through, the eastern part of the state is looking forward to a project by CSX. The rail company also is planning to embark on a project to raise tunnels to accommodate double-stack trains through the Mid-Atlantic region. The $842 million National Gateway project would affect Ohio, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia, and is intended to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from trucks on the highway, as well as saving $3.5 billion in shipper and logistics costs, significantly increase freight capacity, reduce transit times between West Coast ports and major population and triple the market access potential for some ports on the East Coast. There's a prediction that freight transportation is going to increase by 70 percent over the next 20 years, said CSX spokesman Bob Sullivan. Moving it to rail rather than trucks will reduce greenhouse emissions, he said. "What (using double-stacked trains) does is really open access to more markets and service, so shippers in West Virginia have easier access to markets they have now," Sullivan said. "It also will ease the flow of goods into West Virginia as well." The path of the double stacked trains would stretch from Wilmington, N.C., up the East Coast and northeastward through the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Along the National Gateway, the nearest intermodal distribution facility to West Virginia will be in Pittsburgh. CSX is committing $395 million to the National Gateway project, and it's asking for $258 million in federal stimulus grants through the Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery (TIGER) Discretionary Grants Program. State's are being asked for $250 million. About $60 million will be spent in West Virginia, to clear six tunnels in the state. But West Virginia is being asked to contribute $5 million to the project, Sullivan said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 17 23:32:20 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Photos of 917 Message-ID: <799033.20621.qm@web23901.mail.ird.yahoo.com> The email below reminded me that I have some photos of 917 shortly after she arrived in Ohio. It seems they would be of more use to more people if they were on the Society's site. Who do I contact to find out how to do this? Matt Goodman Columbus, Ohio On Nov 17, 2009, at 12:19 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: Which scrapyard did she go to? I'm just thinking that date is only a couple weeks before the four surviving steamers from Virginia Scrap Iron & Metal arrived in the yard. Makes me wonder if the orphaned 4-8-0 pilot truck that sat behind no. 917 in the yard (and is now the basis for her "tender" on display in Ohio) might have come from no. 484. Richard Jenkins Class M number 484 was sold as scrap at Roanoke on 5-30-1950. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" Does anyone know the subsequent history of no. 484? ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 17 20:21:10 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:21:10 -0500 Subject: Book announcement from TLC Publishing Message-ID: Tom Dixon and TLC publishing are very pleased to announce two new books. First is *N&W?s Powhatan Arrow*. This book is softbound, 128 pages, approximately 200 pictures. It?s the story of the train from 1946 to 1967. Retail price is $24.95; I believe that this book will be marketed by both the N&W Historical Society and the C&O Historical Society. Second is *West Virginia Railroads; Railroading in the Mountain State*. 128 pages, covering an overall history of railroads operating in West Virginia, including C&O, N&W, VGN, B&O, and NYC, focusing on the years 1940-1960. This is the first volume in a planned series of books focusing on the individual railroads. Softbound, retail $25.95. I believe that both societies will be marketing this book, also. Disclaimer: I?m a friend (I think)of Tom Dixon?s, and a member of both societies. I have no financial stake in this book or TLC. Frank Bongiovanni -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 17 20:45:24 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:45:24 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Dead dog Message-ID: <8288051302E04259841A6925D0B8AE36@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 25, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Dead Dog Stops Train The passengers on train No. 11 on the Clinch Valley received a big scare on Monday afternoon near Cedar Bluff, when the air brakes were suddenly thrown on and the train came to a standstill. Passengers jumped from every car to see what was wrong and on investigation by the train crew it was found that a shepherd dog which had been run over had been thrown in such a way that an angle cock on the air hose was closed and this brought the train to the sudden stop. ------ [Closing an angle cock would not cause the brakes to go into emergency, but there are two other possibilities. The most likely is that the unfortunate dog could have been thrown up by the engine's pilot and its body could have opened the angle cock on the front of the engine, which would cause the brakes to go into emergency, or, less likely, the dog's body could have somehow hit and uncoupled the air hoses between the tender and the first car, or between two of the cars, likewise causing the brakes to go into emergency.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Tue Nov 17 21:02:29 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:02:29 -0500 Subject: Lynchburg's 12th Street Station In-Reply-To: <540e48700911161358r561a515enf784e3b34d1a0114@mail.gmail.com> References: <540e48700911161358r561a515enf784e3b34d1a0114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <807CB08911C65441BCECE14320B31A2F05DBF83058@rivendell.cc.w2k.vt.edu> As a passenger station, I believe it was closed in about 1957. It continued to be used for MOW related activities for some time after that. I do not know when use ceased altogether. Raymond Smoot -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:58 PM To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Subject: Lynchburg's 12th Street Station Does anyone have a date when the 12th Street Station of the old Lynchburg & Durham line was closed, please? Thanks. Bob Cohen ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 18 02:14:38 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:14:38 -0500 Subject: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. Message-ID: <295F10870EE64D2C944AF71F84637011@MillsPC> The lady was trespassing on the railroad tracks themselves when she was almost killed and has the audacity to sue for her stupidity. This one is as bad as the McDonald's coffee farse. The problem if she gets a judge or a jury that sees her side the railroad will be in big trouble. Don Mills 5a. Ms - Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures Posted by: "Gary R. Kazin" gkazin at yahoo.com gkazin Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:48 am ((PST)) Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures JACKSON, Miss. - Helen Gable was taking pictures on the railroad tracks in Tupelo in 2006 when a train nearly cut off her leg as she tried to get out of the way. Gable and her husband are suing the railroad company for nearly $6 million. Gable says the company should have posted trespassing signs to keep people away. The lawsuit also claims the train was exceeding federal speed limits and that a cable was hanging off the side and cut her. BNSF Railway Company spokeswoman Suann Lundsberg said the company is investigating and is sympathetic to Gable's injuries, but "she admits in her lawsuit filing that she was trespassing" to take photos on the track. Lundsberg also said BNSF has equipment that detects if something is hanging or dragging from a train. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ixpvo755kUDxfWZoOYGjpFxdpJNgD9C1DFA03 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 18 08:28:58 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:28:58 EST Subject: CSX in WV Message-ID: The area of WV that is on the CSX main line is more than just a "nick" - it extends from Harpers Ferry, WV (at the crossing of the Potomac) to near Cumberland, MD. That line passes through the Magnolia Cutoff, which has 4 tunnels close to each other. Three other tunnels (east) between Point of Rocks, MD & Harpers Ferry, WV need to be considered on the major east west route. The map in the newspaper was not close to scale & did not do WV justice in the distance of the CSX rails in WV. Terry Marshall Hagerstown, MD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 18 09:56:12 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:56:12 -0500 Subject: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. In-Reply-To: <295F10870EE64D2C944AF71F84637011@MillsPC> References: <295F10870EE64D2C944AF71F84637011@MillsPC> Message-ID: This is why there are FEW steam programs...thanks morons! Christopher J. Bunsey EX TWA, Current CAL NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, copying, or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error, kindly notify the sender, and then delete it from your system. -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:15 AM To: All_Aboard at yahoogroups.com Subject: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. The lady was trespassing on the railroad tracks themselves when she was almost killed and has the audacity to sue for her stupidity. This one is as bad as the McDonald's coffee farse. The problem if she gets a judge or a jury that sees her side the railroad will be in big trouble. Don Mills 5a. Ms - Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures Posted by: "Gary R. Kazin" gkazin at yahoo.com gkazin Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:48 am ((PST)) Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures JACKSON, Miss. - Helen Gable was taking pictures on the railroad tracks in Tupelo in 2006 when a train nearly cut off her leg as she tried to get out of the way. Gable and her husband are suing the railroad company for nearly $6 million. Gable says the company should have posted trespassing signs to keep people away. The lawsuit also claims the train was exceeding federal speed limits and that a cable was hanging off the side and cut her. BNSF Railway Company spokeswoman Suann Lundsberg said the company is investigating and is sympathetic to Gable's injuries, but "she admits in her lawsuit filing that she was trespassing" to take photos on the track. Lundsberg also said BNSF has equipment that detects if something is hanging or dragging from a train. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ixpvo755kUDxfWZoOYGjpFxdpJ NgD9C1DFA03 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 18 17:19:56 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:19:56 -0800 Subject: N&W in 1910--Dead dog In-Reply-To: <8288051302E04259841A6925D0B8AE36@DellVostro> References: <8288051302E04259841A6925D0B8AE36@DellVostro> Message-ID: I believe that some(?) locos had brake valves that were triggered if the pony truck derailed; maybe the dog carcass hit that. pete groom On Nov 17, 2009, at 5:45 PM, NW Mailing List wrote: > Bluefield Daily Telegraph > May 25, 1910 > > IN CITY AND COALFIELD > ------ > Dead Dog Stops Train > The passengers on train No. 11 on the Clinch Valley received a > big scare on Monday afternoon near Cedar Bluff, when the air brakes > were suddenly thrown on and the train came to a standstill. > Passengers jumped from every car to see what was wrong and on > investigation by the train crew it was found that a shepherd dog > which had been run over had been thrown in such a way that an angle > cock on the air hose was closed and this brought the train to the > sudden stop. > ------ > [Closing an angle cock would not cause the brakes to go into > emergency, but there are two other possibilities. The most likely > is that the unfortunate dog could have been thrown up by the > engine's pilot and its body could have opened the angle cock on the > front of the engine, which would cause the brakes to go into > emergency, or, less likely, the dog's body could have somehow hit > and uncoupled the air hoses between the tender and the first car, or > between two of the cars, likewise causing the brakes to go into > emergency.] > > Gordon Hamilton > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Wed Nov 18 12:25:57 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:25:57 -0500 Subject: Class M number 484 References: <138496.58572.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8364A54BCEF84D56816DBB228BB33C0F@lewisdl0ls5whv> >From my records, four Class Ms were sold as scrap at Roanoke during May and June 1950. According to Prince's book, numbers 404, 431 and 484 were sold to the VaSI&M. The fourth, number 464 was sold as scrap but Prince does not list to whom it was sold. Bud Jeffries ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Class M number 484 Which scrapyard did she go to? I'm just thinking that date is only a couple weeks before the four surviving steamers from Virginia Scrap Iron & Metal arrived in the yard. Makes me wonder if the orphaned 4-8-0 pilot truck that sat behind no. 917 in the yard (and is now the basis for her "tender" on display in Ohio) might have come from no. 484. Richard Jenkins > Class M number 484 was sold as scrap at Roanoke on > 5-30-1950. > > Bud Jeffries > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" > >Does anyone know the subsequent history of no. 484? ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 19 08:31:33 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:31:33 -0500 Subject: "Taking Twenty" with the Virginian Brethren Message-ID: <4B0548B5.70608@vt.edu> Last night I had the pleasure of "Takin' Twenty" with eleven of the Brethren and Friends of the Virginian Railway. Attending for the first time were Lewis Green and his son David Green. Lewis began his rail career in 1951 with the Virginian Railway Bridge Gang. He recalled helping construct the large diesel fuel storage tank in Roanoke for the brand new Fairbanks-Morse Trainmasters. He remembered taking down the old water towers along the line. Lewis said that "we would take them apart, put large sections on pole flats and take them to a good spot and throw the redwood sections over the bank". After two years in the military, Lewis returned and hired on the "W" side in engine service and worked his way up to engineer. He retired in 1989 with 37 and 1/2 years service from NS. His son David is an NS engineer ,who now works out of Brookneal in pusher service on the Durham line. Landon Gregory brought a special display of the news article about our excursions to Bluefield and Shenandoah. His daughter works at "The Roanoke Times". The front page spread showed Landon boarding passengers on his car #8. I showed the Brethren a photo of four young boys and their Mom that I took at the Bluefield Railfest last Saturday. They each had a T-Shirt with "Thing-1 through Thing-4" on them. Also passed was an email about a "busy day (11-5-09) on the NS from our good friend Steve Smith, Engineering Technician on the Track Geometry Car. The first incident concerned a nude blood covered fellow claiming to be Jesus Christ who had just jumped from a train. He was traced back to trains near Toledo. The second was about a trespasser on NS train 287 near Columbus Ohio. The trespasser had previously robbed a bank and crossed NS property before being struck on the CSX and killed. The FBI is on the scene recovering money that was scattered across both right of ways... At the Bluefield Railfest train show last Saturday I met Virginian carman Ryan Lawrence who hired on in Princeton in 1948 and retired from NS in 1992. From last week and the "Straight A's and Slanted Sixes" discussion. Bud Jefferies, distinguished author of books on Steam Locomotives, corrected my description of the "Slanted Sixes" exhaust. The exhaust was actually slanted toward the FRONT of the N&W Y-6's. I showed a slide that I recently purchased on ebay of a Fairbanks- Morse Trainmaster with a cut of coal cars under the wires, apparently in Roanoke. The Brethren identified the location as east of "AG" and the Wasena Bridge in Roanoke. Our good friend Bill Honeycutt gave away nice NS logo and spike pins at our monthly Retired NS Mechanical Department breakfast last Friday at the Roanoker Restaurant. Naturally, I thought of the Virginian Brethren and asked if he had extra. He was gracious enough to share with us and I was able to pass out pins to the Brethren last night. We talked about the robbery that occurred sometime last weekend at the Roanoke Chapter NRHS 9th Street Siding, probably during the excursion trips. A brass bell was stolen from the Chapter's GP30. If someone approaches any of you VGN fans with a 12" locomotive bell marked "C&O" please get as much information about this person as possible and contact me or your local police. Rufus Wingfield wore a very special cap to the meeting last night. He bought it sometime in the 1950s from Jack Frank, conductor on the VGN New River Division. It is black with a yellow screen printed VGN logo and now supports several nice pins also. Ruf promised that one day it will be on display in our Roanoke Station. Ruf and Scotty were discussing with our guest Lewis Green about the differences of working on the railroad and being retired from it. Scotty said "now that he is retired, he has no paid vacation and can't mark off sick". Landon and I were discussing the Roanoke Chapter NRHS meeting tonight. Our president Jeff Sanders has announced that instead of a program we are going to "debrief" everyone about our recent excursion trains. I asked Ruf what he thought of the debriefing and he replied "I just changed my shorts this morning..." Time to pull the pin on this one! Departing Now from V248, Skip Salmon ============= From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 19 11:49:03 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:49:03 -0500 Subject: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. In-Reply-To: References: <295F10870EE64D2C944AF71F84637011@MillsPC> Message-ID: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910131E1D675@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> It's such a shame where American society has gone relative to personal responsibility and accountability. When you look at picture of rail excursions back in the 50's and 60's............and I was on some in the 70's, people were able to roam pretty freely about the property and equipment without the railway having to fear someone filing a frivolous lawsuit. David Goode clearly told us at the last NWHS Bluefield Convention about his fears that lead to the end of the NS Steam Program. We badly need Tort Reform in this country and a return to personal responsibility and accountability for our actions!! Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. This is why there are FEW steam programs...thanks morons! Christopher J. Bunsey EX TWA, Current CAL NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, copying, or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error, kindly notify the sender, and then delete it from your system. -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:15 AM To: All_Aboard at yahoogroups.com Subject: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. The lady was trespassing on the railroad tracks themselves when she was almost killed and has the audacity to sue for her stupidity. This one is as bad as the McDonald's coffee farse. The problem if she gets a judge or a jury that sees her side the railroad will be in big trouble. Don Mills 5a. Ms - Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures Posted by: "Gary R. Kazin" gkazin at yahoo.com gkazin Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:48 am ((PST)) Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures JACKSON, Miss. - Helen Gable was taking pictures on the railroad tracks in Tupelo in 2006 when a train nearly cut off her leg as she tried to get out of the way. Gable and her husband are suing the railroad company for nearly $6 million. Gable says the company should have posted trespassing signs to keep people away. The lawsuit also claims the train was exceeding federal speed limits and that a cable was hanging off the side and cut her. BNSF Railway Company spokeswoman Suann Lundsberg said the company is investigating and is sympathetic to Gable's injuries, but "she admits in her lawsuit filing that she was trespassing" to take photos on the track. Lundsberg also said BNSF has equipment that detects if something is hanging or dragging from a train. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ixpvo755kUDxfWZoOYGjpFxdpJ NgD9C1DFA03 ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 19 19:35:46 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:35:46 -0500 Subject: Class M number 484 In-Reply-To: <8364A54BCEF84D56816DBB228BB33C0F@lewisdl0ls5whv> References: <138496.58572.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> <8364A54BCEF84D56816DBB228BB33C0F@lewisdl0ls5whv> Message-ID: <8CC379088DFE29F-46C0-15244@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com> > Class M number 484 was sold as scrap at Roanoke on > 5-30-1950. > > Bud Jeffries > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" > >Does anyone know the subsequent history of no. 484? ________________________________________ Came across a photo of N&W 484 from the H. Reid collection today. Caption on the back ? N&W 484 (really a 4-8-0). A little H. Reid humor. Harry Bundy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Thu Nov 19 19:12:22 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:12:22 -0500 Subject: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. In-Reply-To: <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910131E1D675@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> References: <295F10870EE64D2C944AF71F84637011@MillsPC> <04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910131E1D675@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> Message-ID: <7bae166d0911191612n41e87d05qebe4fec798f9a128@mail.gmail.com> Ed - I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE WRONG, BUT, HOW WOULD ALL THOSE LAWYERS MAKE A LIVING? THEY DON'T WISH TO WORK. OR THEY WOULD NOT CHARGE TO *PRACTICE! * THEY WOULD MAKE A LIVING WHERE THEY HAD TO PERFORM! ( Like the rest of the population!) Harry Thompson - Greenville NC On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: > It's such a shame where American society has gone relative to personal > responsibility and accountability. When you look at picture of rail > excursions back in the 50's and 60's............and I was on some in the > 70's, people were able to roam pretty freely about the property and > equipment without the railway having to fear someone filing a frivolous > lawsuit. David Goode clearly told us at the last NWHS Bluefield Convention > about his fears that lead to the end of the NS Steam Program. We badly need > Tort Reform in this country and a return to personal responsibility and > accountability for our actions!! > > Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR > > -----Original Message----- > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto: > nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:56 AM > To: 'NW Mailing List' > Subject: RE: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. > > This is why there are FEW steam programs...thanks morons! > > Christopher J. Bunsey > EX TWA, Current CAL > > > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY > > This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it > is > addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. > If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the > employee > or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are > notified that any use, copying, or disclosure of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error, kindly > notify the sender, and then delete it from your system. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org > [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:15 AM > To: All_Aboard at yahoogroups.com > Subject: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. > > The lady was trespassing on the railroad tracks themselves when she was > almost killed and has the audacity to sue for her stupidity. This one is as > bad as the McDonald's coffee farse. The problem if she gets a judge or a > jury that sees her side the railroad will be in big trouble. Don Mills > > 5a. Ms - Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures > Posted by: "Gary R. Kazin" gkazin at yahoo.com gkazin > Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:48 am ((PST)) > > Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures > > JACKSON, Miss. - Helen Gable was taking pictures on the railroad tracks in > Tupelo in 2006 when a train nearly cut off her leg as she tried to get out > of the way. > > Gable and her husband are suing the railroad company for nearly $6 million. > > Gable says the company should have posted trespassing signs to keep people > away. > > The lawsuit also claims the train was exceeding federal speed limits and > that a cable was hanging off the side and cut her. > > BNSF Railway Company spokeswoman Suann Lundsberg said the company is > investigating and is sympathetic to Gable's injuries, but "she admits in > her > lawsuit filing that she was trespassing" to take photos on the track. > > Lundsberg also said BNSF has equipment that detects if something is hanging > or dragging from a train. > > > http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ixpvo755kUDxfWZoOYGjpFxdpJ > NgD9C1DFA03 > > > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The following DOQ map appears to be from older data. The wye trackage and what appears to be a loop of track around what I assume was the ore washing facility is more visible than in the google maps. http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.56990,-80.25820&z=17&t=O&marker0=37.56901%2C-80.26200%2Cpaint%20bank\%2C%20wv I think the N&W & C&O came within about 7 to 8 miles from each other here. Near saw anything to suggest any serious ideas of linking the railroads together. The station at Waiteville is still standing and is in private hands. In decent shape. There are photos of it on the web, but couldn't find any quickly. There is also a sign near Waiteville about the "Potts Valley Rail Trail". They appear to have surveyed the line from about the VA line to Waiteville. Another got overview of the Potts Valley history is here: http://www.wvculture.org/history/journal_wvh/wvh54-3.html - Roger Link NW Mailing List wrote: > Listers: > Ok, I'm on the Google maps again! With a little 'historical.mytopo.com' > thrown in. Now some questions: > > 1. Appears to have been a wye just past the station at Paint Bank. > Satellite view hints of a wye. > Is this as far as the Potts Valley line went? Looks like it. Were there > any plans to extend it on north 25 - 30 miles to Covington? > > Link: > http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=Paint+Bank,+VA&geocode=CS3dg833w7MAFfdBPQIdjkw3-yk5sY_xTq1NiDE1KzehWp8pBA&dirflg=&saddr=new+castle,va&f=d&hl=en&sll=37.569617,-80.261993&sspn=0.179601,0.33886&ie=UTF8&ll=37.569897,-80.259322&spn=0.005647,0.010589&t=h&z=17 > > 2. Were there any plans to extend it on north 25 - 30 miles to Covington? > > 3. Is this (Paint Bank) the only wooden (or not) two story N&W station > left? As you may know, it is now a bed and breakfast. > > > 4. Since the Craigs Valley line of the C&O was only 10-12 miles away in > Newcastle, were there any plans to > connect and interchange? > > I know some of this was covered awhile back in a nice article in THE > ARROW. Could someone direct me to the issue? > Thanks, > Charlie Long -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PV_Trail.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 69488 bytes Desc: not available Url : From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 20 08:58:09 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:58:09 -0500 Subject: Virginia's Rail Heritage Region Message-ID: <4B06A071.5010702@vt.edu> > From Covington to Lynchburg to Roanoke, this region is rich in railroad history; now it's official. Virginia's General Assembly has designated this area Virginia's Rail Heritage Region. The idea is to attract more tourists by promoting multiple attractions. NWHS was represented by President Ron Davis. There was a video segment on TV, but unable to find online. Virginia's Rail Heritage Region hopes to bring in tourists http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11540491 Railroading groups join to woo tourists http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/226985 - Roger Link From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 20 10:23:33 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:23:33 -0500 Subject: Paint Bank and the Potts Valley line References: <11322609.1258687301404.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4B0697A7.7080902@vt.edu> Message-ID: <76AB4762DD07490D8D7CD7452540FC9F@DellVostro> Somewhere I have seen information that the roadbed grading was extended a mile or more east out of Paint Bank down Potts Creek. I had always visualized it as being a somewhat straight line extention east out of Paint Bank, and the DOQ terrain map to which Roger gave a link (no pun intended) appears to show residual evidence of such an straight extention if you click and drag the map, although it could be just the tail track for the wye. But, the DOQ terrain map also appears to show an extention of the south leg of the wye curving to the East. Indeed, if you click on "Topo" on the DOQ map you will see "Old RR Grade" does follow the same path. By clicking and dragging on the topo map, you can follow the "Old RR Grade" to its apparent end. Incidentally, N&W Annual Reports give the installation of 50,000 gal. water tanks at Waiteville and Paint Bank and a coaling station at Waiteville. Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" To: "NW Mailing List" Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Paint Bank and the Potts Valley line > The Potts Valley was covered in the July/August 2002 Arrow: > http://nwhs.org/arrowdb/issueList.php?issue_id=144 > > There was a wye just northeast of the station. I have heard it referred to > as "turntable bottom", but not sure why since there was a wye. > > The following DOQ map appears to be from older data. The wye trackage and > what appears to be a loop of track around what I assume was the ore > washing > facility is more visible than in the google maps. > > http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.56990,-80.25820&z=17&t=O&marker0=37.56901%2C-80.26200%2Cpaint%20bank\%2C%20wv > > I think the N&W & C&O came within about 7 to 8 miles from each other here. > Near saw anything to suggest any serious ideas of linking the railroads > together. > > The station at Waiteville is still standing and is in private hands. In > decent shape. There are photos of it on the web, but couldn't find any > quickly. > > There is also a sign near Waiteville about the "Potts Valley Rail Trail". > They appear to have surveyed the line from about the VA line to > Waiteville. > > Another got overview of the Potts Valley history is here: > http://www.wvculture.org/history/journal_wvh/wvh54-3.html > > - Roger Link > > NW Mailing List wrote: >> Listers: >> Ok, I'm on the Google maps again! With a little 'historical.mytopo.com' >> thrown in. Now some questions: >> >> 1. Appears to have been a wye just past the station at Paint Bank. >> Satellite view hints of a wye. >> Is this as far as the Potts Valley line went? Looks like it. Were there >> any plans to extend it on north 25 - 30 miles to Covington? >> >> Link: >> http://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=Paint+Bank,+VA&geocode=CS3dg833w7MAFfdBPQIdjkw3-yk5sY_xTq1NiDE1KzehWp8pBA&dirflg=&saddr=new+castle,va&f=d&hl=en&sll=37.569617,-80.261993&sspn=0.179601,0.33886&ie=UTF8&ll=37.569897,-80.259322&spn=0.005647,0.010589&t=h&z=17 >> >> 2. Were there any plans to extend it on north 25 - 30 miles to Covington? >> >> 3. Is this (Paint Bank) the only wooden (or not) two story N&W station >> left? As you may know, it is now a bed and breakfast. >> >> >> 4. Since the Craigs Valley line of the C&O was only 10-12 miles away in >> Newcastle, were there any plans to >> connect and interchange? >> >> I know some of this was covered awhile back in a nice article in THE >> ARROW. Could someone direct me to the issue? >> Thanks, >> Charlie Long > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ________________________________________ > NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org > To change your subscription go to > http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list > Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at > http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.707 / Virus Database: 270.14.73/2514 - Release Date: 11/19/09 14:42:00 From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 20 11:32:22 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:32:22 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Slide Message-ID: <6DEA7A6B2BE448168FC097861711C484@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 27, 1910 ALL TRAINS HELD UP ------ More Than Twelve Hours Required to Clear Tracks After Slide As a result of the heavy slide on the Norfolk and Western near Glen Alum, which was reported in yesterday's Daily Telegraph, train No. 4 did not arrive in this city until 2:45 in the afternoon. The track was cleared shortly after noon so that trains could get by, but the men at work had considerable trouble with dirt and stone still sliding in on them. The slide was one of the worst the division has seen in years, fully 3,000 cubic feet of muck and rock covering the track with more coming down all the time. It was more than twelve hours before trains could go through. The Tug Fork train came to this city as No. 2 and returned as an extra passenger train. All passenger trains going east and west except No. 16 last night were held up by the slide, which occurred on a single track where men have just started to work excavating for double track. ----- [Mother Earth does not like to be disturbed. Glen Alum, WV , is on the Pocahontas Division between Wharncliffe and Devon.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Fri Nov 20 11:49:12 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:49:12 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Re: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. References: <295F10870EE64D2C944AF71F84637011@MillsPC><04F1DF013003034193915EE0CCEA9A910131E1D675@SWEC9924.w-intra.net> <7bae166d0911191612n41e87d05qebe4fec798f9a128@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A3EE97DD9F44384AB22818BB849946C@DellVostro> Frivolous law suits against the railroads, such as the recent one in Mississippi, are not all that new as the following article reveals: Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 28, 1910 SUES PULLMAN COMPANY ------ Mrs. Adair Seeks Damage for Getting off Train in Rain Captain Spinney, the well known Pullman conductor on the Philadelphia-Gary car, and Captain John Moran returned yesterday from Princeton where they were called as witnesses in the suit of Adair vs. the Norfolk and Western and the Pullman Company. The case was continued until August. It appears that Mrs. Adair, who rode on a Pullman car to Ingleside, asked Captain Spinney to let her go through the train and get off from one of the coaches, being afraid she would get wet, as it was raining. The conductor told her that train would hardly stop long enough at that point to let her go through the coaches and get off and advised her to get off from the Pullman. She did so and in walking from the end of the Pullman to the depot became soaked with the rain and contracted such a cold that she feels she is entitled to damages and has brought suit for the same. ------ Gordon Hamilton ----- Original Message ----- From: NW Mailing List To: NW Mailing List Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: Re: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. Ed - I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE WRONG, BUT, HOW WOULD ALL THOSE LAWYERS MAKE A LIVING? THEY DON'T WISH TO WORK. OR THEY WOULD NOT CHARGE TO PRACTICE! THEY WOULD MAKE A LIVING WHERE THEY HAD TO PERFORM! ( Like the rest of the population!) Harry Thompson - Greenville NC On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:49 AM, NW Mailing List wrote: It's such a shame where American society has gone relative to personal responsibility and accountability. When you look at picture of rail excursions back in the 50's and 60's............and I was on some in the 70's, people were able to roam pretty freely about the property and equipment without the railway having to fear someone filing a frivolous lawsuit. David Goode clearly told us at the last NWHS Bluefield Convention about his fears that lead to the end of the NS Steam Program. We badly need Tort Reform in this country and a return to personal responsibility and accountability for our actions!! Ed Painter - Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:56 AM To: 'NW Mailing List' Subject: RE: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. This is why there are FEW steam programs...thanks morons! Christopher J. Bunsey EX TWA, Current CAL NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, copying, or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error, kindly notify the sender, and then delete it from your system. -----Original Message----- From: nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org [mailto:nw-mailing-list-bounces at nwhs.org] On Behalf Of NW Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:15 AM To: All_Aboard at yahoogroups.com Subject: Mississippi Woman Sues RR for injuries while taking pictures. The lady was trespassing on the railroad tracks themselves when she was almost killed and has the audacity to sue for her stupidity. This one is as bad as the McDonald's coffee farse. The problem if she gets a judge or a jury that sees her side the railroad will be in big trouble. Don Mills 5a. Ms - Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures Posted by: "Gary R. Kazin" gkazin at yahoo.com gkazin Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:48 am ((PST)) Woman sues RR for injuries while taking pictures JACKSON, Miss. - Helen Gable was taking pictures on the railroad tracks in Tupelo in 2006 when a train nearly cut off her leg as she tried to get out of the way. Gable and her husband are suing the railroad company for nearly $6 million. Gable says the company should have posted trespassing signs to keep people away. The lawsuit also claims the train was exceeding federal speed limits and that a cable was hanging off the side and cut her. BNSF Railway Company spokeswoman Suann Lundsberg said the company is investigating and is sympathetic to Gable's injuries, but "she admits in her lawsuit filing that she was trespassing" to take photos on the track. Lundsberg also said BNSF has equipment that detects if something is hanging or dragging from a train. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ixpvo755kUDxfWZoOYGjpFxdpJ NgD9C1DFA03 ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List at nwhs.org To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.707 / Virus Database: 270.14.73/2514 - Release Date: 11/19/09 14:42:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Nov 21 19:49:56 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:49:56 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1938--Radford Message-ID: <932E701176B44FA09CF1A7A6B917943A@DellVostro> Norfolk and Western Magazine November 1938 Name of Station at Radford Changed for Third Time Just recently the State Corporation Commission granted the request of the N. & W. Railway to change the name of the East Ward Station to Radford. This will bring the name of the railway station into conformity with the post office organization. The two post offices were consolidated June 1. So it goes that this is the third name for this station: Central Depot, East Radford and Radford. 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URL: From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sat Nov 21 23:01:34 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:01:34 -0500 Subject: Paint Bank and the Potts Valley line In-Reply-To: <76AB4762DD07490D8D7CD7452540FC9F@DellVostro> References: <11322609.1258687301404.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4B0697A7.7080902@vt.edu> <76AB4762DD07490D8D7CD7452540FC9F@DellVostro> Message-ID: <9d5f4ad00911212001q58d87d57v58ec003ccf605b94@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Gordon wrote: > Somewhere I have seen information that the roadbed grading was extended a > mile or more east out of Paint Bank down Potts Creek. ?I had always > visualized it as being a somewhat straight line extention east out of Paint > Bank, and the DOQ terrain map to which Roger gave a link (no pun intended) > appears to show residual evidence of such an straight extention if you click > and drag the map, although it could be just the tail track for the wye. But, > the DOQ terrain map also appears to show an extention of the south leg of > the wye curving to the East. ?Indeed, if you click on "Topo" on the DOQ map > you will see "Old RR Grade" does follow the same path. ?By clicking and > dragging on the topo map, you can follow the "Old RR Grade" to its apparent > end. Back some time ago, when the N&W Archives were still in the VT Library, I did some pretty deep digging in the files. I dug out the notes I took from the correspondence files on the Big Stony Railway. What I have end before there is a resolution, but there are indications that the line extended beyond Paint Bank -- although perhaps as a mine branch and not as part of the Potts Valley Line. There are a number of memos and letters in my notes, between company officers and the the civil engineers: April 12, 1909 Report -- Schick [the engineer in charge of the project] to Churchill [company engineer] Progress as of April 1st "The Vaughan Construction Co. have very little work to do, they will also finish in April. The Passing Siding and "Y" Track at Paint Bank are completed. So also are the Passing Siding and Station Siding at Waiteville. "I was with Mr. McHarg, Mr. Shuff and Mr. Vaughan of the Virginia Iron Coal and Coke Co. on this trip. Their Company is now working a scraper gang, building a dam for their settling basin at Paint Bank, and have also a force on their sidings to the Tipple and Washer. I understand they intend going right ahead with all their outside work. I was also told preparations were being made to open up at Sizers, getting everything ready for a large shipment of ore. This of course will mean extension of the present line from Paint Bank to Sizers." May 3, 1909 Memo from Maher to Johnson Report from Churchill to Maher, April 19, abut Va. I C & C Co. operation at Sizers, known as "Givens Bank" 5 miles below Paint Bank Estimated cost to extend line from Paint Bank is $111,000. Lowmore Operation on C&O at Jordan has extensive operation to remove silica from ore May 8, 1909 Memo - Schick to Churchill "At Paint Bank, the Virginia Iron Coal & Coke Co. have a force completing their settling basin; also a force grading team tracks from Washer Site to Mine. Timber is all out for washer, and I am told they will proceed this week to erect the same. I should say that it will be sixty (60) days before these people can be ready with their settling basis, tram tracks and washer; it will be necessary for them from now on to get busy, and work a large force so they can take advantage of the facilities we will offer when our track reaches their operations. I now understand these people are talking about putting a steam shovel at Paint Bank. At the Given Bank at Sizers the Virginia Iron Coal & Coke Co. have a small force driving a tunnel." July 7, 1909 >From Big Stony Railway Co. Office of the President Letter from Johnson to Maher "Have the Potts Valley Line surveyed from Paint Bank to Givens Opening, about six miles, and prepare an estimate at once as to the cost of building this line. The Virginia Iron, Coal and Coke Company owns the right of way and will arrange with us for the same." July 15, 1909 Letter from Maher to Johnson "Referring further to your letter of July 7th. I find on taking up with the Chief Engineer the matter of the survey from Paint Bank to Givens Opening (this latter point we have heretofore named Sizers) that this line has already been located and adopted down to Sizers, and the right of way secured, excepting a few minor strips for county road changes. In this connection please refer to my letter of May 3rd, 1909, with which I enclosed a copy of Mr. Churchill's letter to me of April 9th, in which there is an estimate of the cost of the line between Paint Bank and Sizers whereby if fencing is omitted and small trestles are substituted for rectangular masonry, the original estimate of this 5 mile extension could be reduced from $123,000.00 to $111,000.00. It would therefore appear that we are in shape to go ahead with this 5 miles extension as soon as authority therefor is given." That's where my notes end, so there are indications that the line may have continued beyond Paint Bank. Based on these reports, the Virginia Iron Coal & Coke Co. had a pretty extensive operation right at Paint Bank. > ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Long >> 1. Appears to have been a wye just past the station at Paint Bank. >> Satellite view hints of a wye. >> Is this as far as the Potts Valley line went? Looks like it. Were there >> any plans to extend it on north 25 - 30 miles to Covington? >> 2. Were there any plans to extend it on north 25 - 30 miles to Covington? I can't find it in my notes, but I do remember correspondence in the file in reference to this question. Someone asked L.E. Johnson if the N&W had any such plans to connect to the C&O line that extended down the valley from the north and the answer was a very firm "no." >> 3. Is this (Paint Bank) the only wooden (or not) two story N&W station >> left? As you may know, it is now a bed and breakfast. As mentioned, the station at Waiteville was also a two-story station. I'll dig through my slides to find photos of this building when it was a convenience store. >> 4. Since the Craigs Valley line of the C&O was only 10-12 miles away in >> Newcastle, were there any plans to connect and interchange? See above. Bruce in Blacksburg From nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org Sun Nov 22 08:50:53 2009 From: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org (NW Mailing List) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:50:53 -0500 Subject: N&W in 1910--Big engine Message-ID: <7DCA6A0D540440F9BD5B4A150CC7E3FA@DellVostro> Bluefield Daily Telegraph May 29, 1910 IN CITY AND COALFIELD ------ Big Passenger Engine When passenger train No. 1 pulled into the station yesterday afternoon the people gathered there noticed that it was drawn by a large locomotive of the Pacific type. The engine is one of those which are used on trains 25, 26, 41 and 42 and is a type of passenger engine such as is used on many fast passenger trains on some of the big roads in the country. ------ [Train No. 1 was a Lynchburg to Welch local, and trains 25, 26, 41 and 42 were Southern Railway trains handled by the N&W between Lynchburg and Bristol. The N&W had 20 Class E and E1 4-6-2 Pacific's delivered 1905-1907, so these must have been the regular engines on passenger trains through Bluefield prior to this newspaper article. The "big" Pacific mentioned in the article must have been one of the larger E2 Pacific's delivered in February and March 1910 according to Jeffries' book on N&W steam.] Gordon Hamilton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: