Veterans Day 2009

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AMEN.

Remember these folks in your daily prayers.

EdKing
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> Thanks to Gene Arnold for his remembrance of Veterans Day.

>

> I agree with Bud Jeffries that the current members of our armed forces and

> their families should continue to be in our thoughts and prayers. They are

> serving under extremely difficcult condtions.

>

> Louis Newton

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> > 1. N&W in 1910--Clerks strike (NW Mailing List)

> > 2. Re: Veterans Day 2009 (NW Mailing List)

> > 3. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)

> > 4. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)

> > 5. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)

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> > Message: 1

> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:47:12 -0500

> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> > Subject: N&W in 1910--Clerks strike

> > To: "3N&W Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

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> > Bluefield Daily Telegraph

> > May 18, 1910

> >

> > RAILWAY CLERKS STRIKE

> > OUT ALL OVER SYSTEM

> > ------

> > Demand Recognition of Union Which Norfolk and Western Refuses to

> > Concede--Only Five Out in Bluefield

> > The Brotherhood of Railway Clerks struck yesterday afternoon at 2:30

> > and as a result men are out in this city, at Vivian, Elkhorn, Keystone,

> > Williamson, St. Paul, Coeburn, Tazewell, East Radford, Roanoke and other

> > points which it was impossible to hear from last night.

> > To counteract the effect of the strike it leaked out from an official

> > source last night that the Norfolk and Western will replace the men who

> > have quit and will also discharge a number of others who have been

> > prominent in the strike work.

> > The demands of the strikers are that the Norfolk and Western adopt a

> > schedule presented by the clerk's union in which the clerks ask that the

> > men receive equal wages for equal work and also ask for promotion

> > according to merit, the men having the opportunity to apply for vacancies

> > according to their seniority, the same as is done by other orders. The

> > men also want to have the privilege of allowing the union to settle their

> > disputes and bring any grievances which may arise during the term of the

> > contract. The union claims to represent ninety per cent of the men on the

> > railroad payroll as clerical help outside of the general offices and shops

> > at Roanoke. A man who is prominent in the union said last night that

> > these are 535 men in the order.

> > [The remainder of the article on the microfilm was too blurred to

> > transcribe. The number 535 was also blurred, but the best interpretation

> > is shown.]

> > ------

> >

> > IN CITY AND COALFIELD

> > ------

> > First General Strike

> > Not a single railroad man could be found here last night who remembered

> > a time when the Norfolk and Western ever had a strike on its hands before

> > in which any order or union called the men out all over the road. About

> > five years ago there was a strike in which the Southern Express Company

> > men and agents took part. So, the Norfolk and Western, as far as could be

> > determined last night, was neutral in that matter.

> > [Some words were blurred on the microfilm. The best interpretations are

> > shown.]

> >

> > Gordon Hamilton

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> > Message: 2

> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:01:14 -0500

> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> > Subject: Re: Veterans Day 2009

> > To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

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> > I thank you for your kind and thoughtful remarks on this Veterans Day

> > 2009.

> >

> > May we also remember those in service to our country today and keep them

> > in our thoughts and prayers. Now our armed forces are engaged in a very

> > difficult conflict. Not only are our service members in harm's way, but

> > the national attitude and resolve make it even more difficult for them and

> > their families.

> >

> > Bud Jeffries

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> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:33 AM

> > Subject: Veterans Day 2009

> >

> >

> > Veterans Day 2009

> > Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Jeffries, Mr. Newton, and all of you Gentlemen who

> > sacrificed, and served, or you who are now serving our Nation.

> > I thank you for all that you have done.

> >

> > Gene Arnold

> > Gloucester, Va.

> >

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> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:35:11 -0500

> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> > Subject: Re: Steam questions

> > To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

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> > To expand on what Gordon Hamilton wrote about throttles -

> >

> > M's and W's and other engines whose cabs were mounted astraddle of the

> > firebox had their throttles on top of the boiler for convenient handling

> > by the engineer. These throttles operated a rod that went directly above

> > the top of the boiler into the back of the steam dome (through a packing

> > gland)where the actual throttle was located. The throttles described by

> > Mr. Hamilton were on the E-2s, K-2 and K-2as M-2s and subclasses and

> > earlier Mallets up through the Y-4s.

> >

> > EdKing

> > ---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> >> Nathan,

> >>

> >> In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle

> >> levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.

> >>

> >> Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which were

> >> pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical centerline of

> >> the

> >> boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that typically passed

> >> through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the vertical centerline

> >> of

> >> the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod reached through the

> >> boiler

> >> to a bell crank under the steam dome, and the other arm of the bell crank

> >> raised or lowered the throttle valve when the rod from the throttle lever

> >> in

> >> the cab moved forward or backwards, respectively. I can think of two

> >> problems with this throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the

> >> rod

> >> in the stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the

> >> packing

> >> than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a

> >> dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a

> >> vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off" position,

> >> expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different than the

> >> expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler raising the

> >> throttle

> >> valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders, which could cause the

> >> locomotive to "walk away." This happened at times. The more modern

> >> arrangement of the outside linkage associated with vertical throttle

> >> levers

> >> largely avoided this problem by incorporating a rocker lever mid way

> >> between

> >> the throttle lever and the throttle valve to provide compensation for the

> >> expansion and contraction of the boiler.

> >>

> >> Gordon Hamilton

> >>

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> >> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> >> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM

> >> Subject: Steam questions

> >>

> >>

> >> > Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part

> >> > quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for

> >> > the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I

> >> > think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that

> >> > was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for some

> >> > reason.

> >> >

> >> > Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for

> >> > someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working

> >> > Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is

> >> > rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a

> >> > Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater pump

> >> > perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there is

> >> > a

> >> > Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is

> >> > still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine

> >> > coasting.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks ahead of time,

> >> > Nathan

> >> >

> >> > --

> >> > Nathan Simmons

> >> > trainman51 at gmail.com

> >> > http://www.t-51.org

> >> > KI4MSK

> >> >

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> > Message: 4

> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:15 -0500

> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> > Subject: Re: Steam questions

> > To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

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> > I have a question! In regards to the Y5's with a Bradford Front End

> > throttle, why was it there and not in the steam dome? Did it provide a

> > shorter path to the front engine when in Simple?

> >

> > MArk Lindsey

> > Stuck in the 1930's

> >

> > On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:39 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:

> >

> > Nathan,

> >

> > In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle

> > levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.

> >

> > Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which

> > were pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical

> > centerline of the boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that

> > typically passed through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the

> > vertical centerline of the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod

> > reached through the boiler to a bell crank under the steam dome, and

> > the other arm of the bell crank raised or lowered the throttle valve

> > when the rod from the throttle lever in the cab moved forward or

> > backwards, respectively. I can think of two problems with this

> > throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the rod in the

> > stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the packing

> > than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a

> > dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a

> > vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off"

> > position, expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different

> > than the expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler

> > raising the throttle valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders,

> > which could cause the locomotive to "walk away." This happened at

> > times. The more modern arrangement of the outside linkage associated

> > with vertical throttle levers largely avoided this problem by

> > incorporating a rocker lever mid way between the throttle lever and

> > the throttle valve to provide compensation for the expansion and

> > contraction of the boiler.

> >

> > Gordon Hamilton

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List"

> > <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org

> > >

> > To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM

> > Subject: Steam questions

> >

> >

> >> Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part

> >> quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for

> >> the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I

> >> think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that

> >> was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for

> >> some

> >> reason.

> >>

> >> Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for

> >> someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working

> >> Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is

> >> rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a

> >> Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater

> >> pump

> >> perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there

> >> is a

> >> Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is

> >> still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine

> >> coasting.

> >>

> >> Thanks ahead of time,

> >> Nathan

> >>

> >> --

> >> Nathan Simmons

> >> trainman51 at gmail.com

> >> http://www.t-51.org

> >> KI4MSK

> >>

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> > Message: 5

> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:31:41 -0500

> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> > Subject: Re: Steam questions

> > To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

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> > Ed,

> >

> > Thanks for pointing out the other arrangement for the horizontal

> > throttles.

> > After I hit the send button I thought of the W's and M's with the firebox

> > that extended so far back into the cab as to separate the engineer and

> > fireman, and I realized that those throttles had to be ahead of the boiler

> > backhead.

> >

> > Gordon Hamilton

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> > To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:35 AM

> > Subject: Re: Steam questions

> >

> >

> >> To expand on what Gordon Hamilton wrote about throttles -

> >>

> >> M's and W's and other engines whose cabs were mounted astraddle of the

> >> firebox had their throttles on top of the boiler for convenient handling

> >> by the engineer. These throttles operated a rod that went directly above

> >> the top of the boiler into the back of the steam dome (through a packing

> >> gland)where the actual throttle was located. The throttles described by

> >> Mr. Hamilton were on the E-2s, K-2 and K-2as M-2s and subclasses and

> >> earlier Mallets up through the Y-4s.

> >>

> >> EdKing

> >> ---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:

> >>> Nathan,

> >>>

> >>> In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle

> >>> levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.

> >>>

> >>> Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which were

> >>> pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical centerline of

> >>> the

> >>> boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that typically passed

> >>> through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the vertical centerline

> >>> of

> >>> the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod reached through the

> >>> boiler

> >>> to a bell crank under the steam dome, and the other arm of the bell

> >>> crank

> >>> raised or lowered the throttle valve when the rod from the throttle

> >>> lever

> >>> in

> >>> the cab moved forward or backwards, respectively. I can think of two

> >>> problems with this throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the

> >>> rod

> >>> in the stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the

> >>> packing

> >>> than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a

> >>> dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a

> >>> vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off" position,

> >>> expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different than the

> >>> expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler raising the

> >>> throttle

> >>> valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders, which could cause the

> >>> locomotive to "walk away." This happened at times. The more modern

> >>> arrangement of the outside linkage associated with vertical throttle

> >>> levers

> >>> largely avoided this problem by incorporating a rocker lever mid way

> >>> between

> >>> the throttle lever and the throttle valve to provide compensation for

> >>> the

> >>> expansion and contraction of the boiler.

> >>>

> >>> Gordon Hamilton

> >>>

> >>> ----- Original Message -----

> >>> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> >>> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM

> >>> Subject: Steam questions

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> > Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part

> >>> > quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for

> >>> > the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I

> >>> > think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that

> >>> > was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for

> >>> > some

> >>> > reason.

> >>> >

> >>> > Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for

> >>> > someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working

> >>> > Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is

> >>> > rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a

> >>> > Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater

> >>> > pump

> >>> > perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there is

> >>> > a

> >>> > Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is

> >>> > still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine

> >>> > coasting.

> >>> >

> >>> > Thanks ahead of time,

> >>> > Nathan

> >>> >

> >>> > --

> >>> > Nathan Simmons

> >>> > trainman51 at gmail.com

> >>> > http://www.t-51.org

> >>> > KI4MSK

> >>> >

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