Veterans Day 2009
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Wed Nov 11 22:46:14 EST 2009
AMEN.
Remember these folks in your daily prayers.
EdKing
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> Thanks to Gene Arnold for his remembrance of Veterans Day.
>
> I agree with Bud Jeffries that the current members of our armed forces and
> their families should continue to be in our thoughts and prayers. They are
> serving under extremely difficcult condtions.
>
> Louis Newton
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> > 1. N&W in 1910--Clerks strike (NW Mailing List)
> > 2. Re: Veterans Day 2009 (NW Mailing List)
> > 3. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)
> > 4. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)
> > 5. Re: Steam questions (NW Mailing List)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:47:12 -0500
> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Subject: N&W in 1910--Clerks strike
> > To: "3N&W Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Message-ID: <B15732DFEE2E4963B371A57C0E0A4FD1 at DellVostro>
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> > Bluefield Daily Telegraph
> > May 18, 1910
> >
> > RAILWAY CLERKS STRIKE
> > OUT ALL OVER SYSTEM
> > ------
> > Demand Recognition of Union Which Norfolk and Western Refuses to
> > Concede--Only Five Out in Bluefield
> > The Brotherhood of Railway Clerks struck yesterday afternoon at 2:30
> > and as a result men are out in this city, at Vivian, Elkhorn, Keystone,
> > Williamson, St. Paul, Coeburn, Tazewell, East Radford, Roanoke and other
> > points which it was impossible to hear from last night.
> > To counteract the effect of the strike it leaked out from an official
> > source last night that the Norfolk and Western will replace the men who
> > have quit and will also discharge a number of others who have been
> > prominent in the strike work.
> > The demands of the strikers are that the Norfolk and Western adopt a
> > schedule presented by the clerk's union in which the clerks ask that the
> > men receive equal wages for equal work and also ask for promotion
> > according to merit, the men having the opportunity to apply for vacancies
> > according to their seniority, the same as is done by other orders. The
> > men also want to have the privilege of allowing the union to settle their
> > disputes and bring any grievances which may arise during the term of the
> > contract. The union claims to represent ninety per cent of the men on the
> > railroad payroll as clerical help outside of the general offices and shops
> > at Roanoke. A man who is prominent in the union said last night that
> > these are 535 men in the order.
> > [The remainder of the article on the microfilm was too blurred to
> > transcribe. The number 535 was also blurred, but the best interpretation
> > is shown.]
> > ------
> >
> > IN CITY AND COALFIELD
> > ------
> > First General Strike
> > Not a single railroad man could be found here last night who remembered
> > a time when the Norfolk and Western ever had a strike on its hands before
> > in which any order or union called the men out all over the road. About
> > five years ago there was a strike in which the Southern Express Company
> > men and agents took part. So, the Norfolk and Western, as far as could be
> > determined last night, was neutral in that matter.
> > [Some words were blurred on the microfilm. The best interpretations are
> > shown.]
> >
> > Gordon Hamilton
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:01:14 -0500
> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Subject: Re: Veterans Day 2009
> > To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> > I thank you for your kind and thoughtful remarks on this Veterans Day
> > 2009.
> >
> > May we also remember those in service to our country today and keep them
> > in our thoughts and prayers. Now our armed forces are engaged in a very
> > difficult conflict. Not only are our service members in harm's way, but
> > the national attitude and resolve make it even more difficult for them and
> > their families.
> >
> > Bud Jeffries
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: NW Mailing List
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> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:33 AM
> > Subject: Veterans Day 2009
> >
> >
> > Veterans Day 2009
> > Mr. Hamilton, Mr. Jeffries, Mr. Newton, and all of you Gentlemen who
> > sacrificed, and served, or you who are now serving our Nation.
> > I thank you for all that you have done.
> >
> > Gene Arnold
> > Gloucester, Va.
> >
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:35:11 -0500
> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Subject: Re: Steam questions
> > To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> > To expand on what Gordon Hamilton wrote about throttles -
> >
> > M's and W's and other engines whose cabs were mounted astraddle of the
> > firebox had their throttles on top of the boiler for convenient handling
> > by the engineer. These throttles operated a rod that went directly above
> > the top of the boiler into the back of the steam dome (through a packing
> > gland)where the actual throttle was located. The throttles described by
> > Mr. Hamilton were on the E-2s, K-2 and K-2as M-2s and subclasses and
> > earlier Mallets up through the Y-4s.
> >
> > EdKing
> > ---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >> Nathan,
> >>
> >> In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle
> >> levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.
> >>
> >> Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which were
> >> pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical centerline of
> >> the
> >> boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that typically passed
> >> through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the vertical centerline
> >> of
> >> the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod reached through the
> >> boiler
> >> to a bell crank under the steam dome, and the other arm of the bell crank
> >> raised or lowered the throttle valve when the rod from the throttle lever
> >> in
> >> the cab moved forward or backwards, respectively. I can think of two
> >> problems with this throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the
> >> rod
> >> in the stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the
> >> packing
> >> than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a
> >> dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a
> >> vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off" position,
> >> expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different than the
> >> expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler raising the
> >> throttle
> >> valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders, which could cause the
> >> locomotive to "walk away." This happened at times. The more modern
> >> arrangement of the outside linkage associated with vertical throttle
> >> levers
> >> largely avoided this problem by incorporating a rocker lever mid way
> >> between
> >> the throttle lever and the throttle valve to provide compensation for the
> >> expansion and contraction of the boiler.
> >>
> >> Gordon Hamilton
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> >> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM
> >> Subject: Steam questions
> >>
> >>
> >> > Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part
> >> > quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for
> >> > the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I
> >> > think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that
> >> > was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for some
> >> > reason.
> >> >
> >> > Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for
> >> > someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working
> >> > Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is
> >> > rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a
> >> > Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater pump
> >> > perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there is
> >> > a
> >> > Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is
> >> > still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine
> >> > coasting.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks ahead of time,
> >> > Nathan
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Nathan Simmons
> >> > trainman51 at gmail.com
> >> > http://www.t-51.org
> >> > KI4MSK
> >> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:15 -0500
> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Subject: Re: Steam questions
> > To: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> > I have a question! In regards to the Y5's with a Bradford Front End
> > throttle, why was it there and not in the steam dome? Did it provide a
> > shorter path to the front engine when in Simple?
> >
> > MArk Lindsey
> > Stuck in the 1930's
> >
> > On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:39 AM, NW Mailing List wrote:
> >
> > Nathan,
> >
> > In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle
> > levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.
> >
> > Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which
> > were pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical
> > centerline of the boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that
> > typically passed through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the
> > vertical centerline of the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod
> > reached through the boiler to a bell crank under the steam dome, and
> > the other arm of the bell crank raised or lowered the throttle valve
> > when the rod from the throttle lever in the cab moved forward or
> > backwards, respectively. I can think of two problems with this
> > throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the rod in the
> > stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the packing
> > than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a
> > dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a
> > vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off"
> > position, expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different
> > than the expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler
> > raising the throttle valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders,
> > which could cause the locomotive to "walk away." This happened at
> > times. The more modern arrangement of the outside linkage associated
> > with vertical throttle levers largely avoided this problem by
> > incorporating a rocker lever mid way between the throttle lever and
> > the throttle valve to provide compensation for the expansion and
> > contraction of the boiler.
> >
> > Gordon Hamilton
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List"
> > <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org
> > >
> > To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM
> > Subject: Steam questions
> >
> >
> >> Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part
> >> quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for
> >> the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I
> >> think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that
> >> was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for
> >> some
> >> reason.
> >>
> >> Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for
> >> someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working
> >> Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is
> >> rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a
> >> Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater
> >> pump
> >> perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there
> >> is a
> >> Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is
> >> still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine
> >> coasting.
> >>
> >> Thanks ahead of time,
> >> Nathan
> >>
> >> --
> >> Nathan Simmons
> >> trainman51 at gmail.com
> >> http://www.t-51.org
> >> KI4MSK
> >>
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:31:41 -0500
> > From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Subject: Re: Steam questions
> > To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
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> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > Thanks for pointing out the other arrangement for the horizontal
> > throttles.
> > After I hit the send button I thought of the W's and M's with the firebox
> > that extended so far back into the cab as to separate the engineer and
> > fireman, and I realized that those throttles had to be ahead of the boiler
> > backhead.
> >
> > Gordon Hamilton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: Steam questions
> >
> >
> >> To expand on what Gordon Hamilton wrote about throttles -
> >>
> >> M's and W's and other engines whose cabs were mounted astraddle of the
> >> firebox had their throttles on top of the boiler for convenient handling
> >> by the engineer. These throttles operated a rod that went directly above
> >> the top of the boiler into the back of the steam dome (through a packing
> >> gland)where the actual throttle was located. The throttles described by
> >> Mr. Hamilton were on the E-2s, K-2 and K-2as M-2s and subclasses and
> >> earlier Mallets up through the Y-4s.
> >>
> >> EdKing
> >> ---- NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org> wrote:
> >>> Nathan,
> >>>
> >>> In addition to what others have furnished on the two types of throttle
> >>> levers on N&W steam locos, a few more comments may help.
> >>>
> >>> Older N&W steam locos used the "horizontal" throttle levers, which were
> >>> pivoted to the left (toward the fireman) of the vertical centerline of
> >>> the
> >>> boiler and which were pinned to a rod (or stem) that typically passed
> >>> through a stuffing box on the boiler backhead on the vertical centerline
> >>> of
> >>> the boiler and above the crown sheet. This rod reached through the
> >>> boiler
> >>> to a bell crank under the steam dome, and the other arm of the bell
> >>> crank
> >>> raised or lowered the throttle valve when the rod from the throttle
> >>> lever
> >>> in
> >>> the cab moved forward or backwards, respectively. I can think of two
> >>> problems with this throttle arrangement. One, the sliding action of the
> >>> rod
> >>> in the stuffing box on the backhead probably caused more wear on the
> >>> packing
> >>> than the rotary action of the shaft in the stuffing box leading to a
> >>> dome-mounted throttle operated by the outside throttle linkage (and a
> >>> vertical throttle). Two, with the throttle lever in the "off" position,
> >>> expansion and contraction of the boiler might be different than the
> >>> expansion and contraction of the rod through the boiler raising the
> >>> throttle
> >>> valve just enough to leak steam to the cylinders, which could cause the
> >>> locomotive to "walk away." This happened at times. The more modern
> >>> arrangement of the outside linkage associated with vertical throttle
> >>> levers
> >>> largely avoided this problem by incorporating a rocker lever mid way
> >>> between
> >>> the throttle lever and the throttle valve to provide compensation for
> >>> the
> >>> expansion and contraction of the boiler.
> >>>
> >>> Gordon Hamilton
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> >>> To: "NWHS" <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:33 AM
> >>> Subject: Steam questions
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Alright gang I'm back with more questions, Both are for the most part
> >>> > quick and hopefully simple. First what orientation did N&W prefer for
> >>> > the throttles of their steam locomotives? Horizontal or Vertical? I
> >>> > think the J and A both had Vertical oriented but I am not sure if that
> >>> > was N&W preference of just what they used on those locomotives for
> >>> > some
> >>> > reason.
> >>> >
> >>> > Second Question is a little harder but I feel it will be easy for
> >>> > someone to answer. In listening to Link's recording of Y6 working
> >>> > Waynesboro, at time I hear a distinct "thump thump thump" that is
> >>> > rythimic then it quits then it does it again. It does not sound like a
> >>> > Cross Compound to me so I am buffaloed as to what it is, Feedwater
> >>> > pump
> >>> > perhaps? I head the same sound in Hooters on Blues ridge when there is
> >>> > a
> >>> > Y doing Switching at Blue Ridge. It happens while the locomotive is
> >>> > still moving but the throttle seems to be closed and the engine
> >>> > coasting.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks ahead of time,
> >>> > Nathan
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Nathan Simmons
> >>> > trainman51 at gmail.com
> >>> > http://www.t-51.org
> >>> > KI4MSK
> >>> >
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