Contents NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 5 Barney Cars

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Guys, 



Can we be a little more descriptive on purpose of these cars? 



Are we talking about the -- 



1) Electric powered coal transfer cars? 



2) Electric cable driven pusher (? Mule?) between the tracks that pushed the coal car up the ramp into the dumper? 



3) Electric powered narrow gage locomotive with an offset arm that pushed coal cars to the ramp . . . .  if the coal cars weren't gravity-fed? 



-- as being Barney cars? 



I've seen references on pier valuation drawings to Barney car service pits for servicing the coal transfer cars. 



Al Kresse 




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Today's Topics: 

   1. Re: Virginian in 1910--Rogers (NW Mailing List) 
   2. Re: Barney Cars (NW Mailing List) 
   3. Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 49, Issue 4 (NW Mailing List) 
   4. Re: Y6B 2171 (NW Mailing List) 


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:28:13 -0500 
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Subject: Re: Virginian in 1910--Rogers 
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It must have been hell to expect $100 million and then have to make do with only $36.6 . . . 

EdKing 
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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph 

> April 23, 1910 

> 

> BIG FORTUNE SHRINKS 

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> Heavy Cost of Virginian Ate Up Rogers' Millions 

>     New York, April 22--H. H. Rogers, who was credited with building up the Standard Oil's multi-millions, left for his heirs hardly a third of the immense fortune credited to him by Wall Street reports.  Instead of the $100,000,000 which outsiders estimated as a conservative figure, for the amount of the Rogers estate, the executors have estimated it at something under $36,606,900.  The heavy cost of the Virginian Railway drained his resurces.  The inheritance tax was paid yesterday, the last day under the law. 

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> [The executors' estimate was slightly blurred on the microfilm.  The best interpretation is shown.] 

> 

> Gordon Hamilton 




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Not sure about Sewells Point, but Lamberts Point 
had a Barney Yard -- by my recollection, there 
were two barney yards, sixteen tracks each.  One 
class of coal was put in each track, then using 
an illuminated number panel showing the track #, 
the pin puller would cut the car off to roll by gravity 
toward the dumper. It was possible to dump four different 
classes of coal at the two rotary dumpers at one time.   
Harry Bundy 

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Neither. I meant the Barney cars which move the or moved the hoppers 
at Lambert's Point? 

Barney & Smith manufactured cars for railroads way back when and the 
Birney streetcars made their presence well-known on trction systems 
and a number have survived today. 

If I am using the wrong term for Lambert's Poinbt where they moved the 
coal hoppers to be turned and dumped, those are what I am referring. I 
had always thought they were referred to as Barney cars but will stand 
corrected if I am in error. A friend asked me today. 

Bob 


Do you mean the Barney and Smith cars, or the Birney Streetcars? 

> 

> Barney Barnier 



> 

> Got a little question if anyone really knows. 

> 

> What is the origin of the name for the Barney Cars and the basic name? 

> We know what they were designed to do and so forth but what is the 

> origin of the name and how far back does one have to search to get it? 

> 

> Thanks. 

> 

> Bob Cohen 



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This slanted stack discussion reminds me of a small experience that I had the summer of 1956 when I worked at the Shaffers Crossing roundhouse before I was so rudely drafted into the Army for a couple of years.  Whenever an eastbound coal train would pull out of the west yard and accelerate up the slight grade leading to the 24th Street underpass with a Y6 leading an A, a lot of the work in the roundhouse would stop momentarily as a number of the men would rush to the open windows to watch the awesome display of power.  Sometimes there would be a train standing on the track between the roundhouse and the track on which the coal train was departing, pretty well blocking the view of the eastbound except for the tops of the locomotives.  That was when I discovered that the Y6 exhausts were angled forward whereas the A exhausts went straight up.  So, without being able to see the locomotives themselves, I could confirm from the exhausts that the Y6 was leading the A. 

Gordon Hamilton 
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  Bud, 

   

  Thanks.....You know, after I sent the email I had some second thoughts and wished that I had validated the slanted stack comment before I sent it.  Obviously I should have done so.  Thanks for correcting my error. 

   

  Ed Painter;  Narrows, VA currently Russellville, AR 

   

   

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  Ed, 

   

  The Y6 and Y6a all had the slanted stack just like the Y6b. 

   

  Bud Jeffries 

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    The Y-6b's most distinguishing feature compared to Y-6's and Y-6a's was the Worthington SA Feedwater Heater on top of the smokebox in front or the (Y-6b only) slanted forward smoke stack. 

     

     

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    Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:58 PM 
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    The Y6a has two air pumps on the engineer's side, with a BL feedwater heater on the fireman's side .  The Y6b has an air pump on each side. 
     
    James Jarvis 
     
    > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:38:13 -0400 
    > To: nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org 
    > Subject: RE: Y6B 2171 
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    > I too saw them in 1973. And while my slides are marked "Virginia Scrap 
    > Iron", United works for me. Attached are some photos. 
    > How can one distinguish between a Y6 and Y6b in the state these locos 
    > were in? 
    > 
    > 
    > Don Trettel 
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    > See images at following: 
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    > http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=71 
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