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Is there any way to find specific information on engines?  I am seeking the following information on engines 1136 and 1447.

 

What class of engine are they?
1136 - Baldwin built M2a 1910,  later superheaters added classing it M2c. I don't have specific operations on the engine but this and its sister engines held down the mainline operations until superpower articulates came on the scene, when that happenned series of these engines were retired /scrapped however some engines retained for use. This engine retired/scrapped 9-1951, this coincides when N&W acquired 0-8-0's from the C&O, hence this engine may have seen more switching duties. N&W used the 4-8-0's for switching duties instead of buying switchers. 

1447 - 2-6-6-2 class Z1a/Z1b built by Schenectady 1916, classed to Z1b 3, 1929, scrapped 6-1957. Again no details on where it ran, but could easily operated system wide.

No N&W 2-6-6-2's exists today that I know of. There are 3 M2c's in Roanoke being saved which are representative of what 1136 is. 2 M2c's were sold to other railroads, I dug and found info on one and learned it was scrapped, the other is still under research, wherever whenever I can find data on it scrapped or whatever.
The one engine I know about didn't perform to the railroad's needs. Hence the concept locomotives are designed for the line they run on.


Data from  Richard Prince's Book Norfolk and Western Railway Pocahontas Coal Carrier, a very good book I may add.
May be hard to find, if anyone needs data, just ask me.

-Lynn-


When were they manufactured?

Where were they manufactured?

What districts/stations did they serve at?
When were they taken out of service?

What has happened to them now/do they still exist at a museum?

 



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> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:46:32 -0400

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> Subject: Re: More on the Buchanan VA Stations

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> I can add a little bit to the story of the N&W Buchanan station.  Ren Heard, 

> a local contractor who did renovation/reconstruction jobs of old and 

> historic buildings in Roanoke, bought it from the railroad and disassembled 

> it in the manner that Richard relates below.  I believe that Ren told me 

> that he had deposited the "kit" in a field outside of town somewhere with 

> the understanding that Explore would buy it from him and he would 

> reconstruct it for them at the park.  I knew Ren because he renovated the 

> building in the first block of South Jefferson Street that I moved Roanoke 

> Rails into in 1986.  Ren worked for Explore for a while when they were 

> planning to develop a zoo of North American animals.  Ren's mother bought 

> some bison to donate or sell to Explore; Ren and his kids, dressed in 

> colonial backwoods garb, marched with one or two of the bison in a parade in 

> Roanoke about that time.

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> If the station stayed on the trailers, then I would guess Ren might have 

> stored them in his "construction yard" just west of 10th street in the first 

> couple of blocks south of the N&W yard.  The city has since rehabbed that 

> area and I have no idea where the trailers might have gone.  Ren ran into 

> some serious legal problems in the mid-1990's and I haven't heard anything 

> about him since.

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> And as any of you who live in the Roanoke area know, Explore has never 

> fulfilled any of the proposals that have been floated for it over the years 

> and is now closed and in limbo.

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> Sam Putney

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>> Just a little more information on the stations at Buchanan, VA.

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>> The C&O Station was lost to the "Flood of 1985". This flood was what is 

>> called a 100 year flood. The station was actually lifted from it's 

>> foundation and rotated about 90 degrees and slammed into another brick 

>> building.

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>> The N&W station, on higher ground, was spared from the ravages of the 

>> flood waters. It was taken apart in 1985 board by board to be rebuilt as 

>> part of the Virginia Explorer Park. The "kit" was loaded into three 

>> trailers and never reassembled. In the attached photos you can see the 

>> part number and spray paint lines that will help in the reassembly. You 

>> can also see trailer number one in one of the photos.

>>

>> Maybe someone else can give an update as to what happened to the N&W 

>> station after that.

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>> Thanks,

>>

>> Richard D. Shell

>> Nace, VA

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>> See images at following:

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>> N&W station:

>> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=53

>> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=54

>> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=55

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>> C&O station:

>> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=56

>> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=57

>> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=58

>> http://nwhs.org/wiki/tiki-browse_image.php?imageId=59

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> There is this 1891 map, which shows it to some extent.

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=380144076748

> I think by the late steam era about  all that was left was a wye at the 

> new freight station, west of the union station. Bits of that are still 

> visible. The C&OHS side track table prepared for the Charlottesville 

> convention shows a 1937 version with a list of sidings and industries, 

> reaching from that wye to the junction with the N&W north of the yard 

> complex.

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> Jeff Cornelius

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> I am interested in learning more about the Waynesboro Belt Line.? Can 

> anyone point me to any on-line sources for further information?

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> I am particularly interested in what on-line customers were served by 

> the Belt Line, their commodities, etc.?

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> I am hoping to include the Belt Line as part of the design for the 

> Waynesboro portion of my model railroad.

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> Any and all information will be great appreciated.

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> Jim Brewer

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> Is there any way to find specific information on engines?  I am seeking the following information on engines 1136 and 1447.

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> What class of engine are they?

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> When were they manufactured?

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> Where were they manufactured?

>

> What districts/stations did they serve at?

> When were they taken out of service?

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> What has happened to them now/do they still exist at a museum?

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> Thanks for any help,

> Chris Neff

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> Sam,

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> Thanks for the additional information. It will be interesting to know if  

> the station even exists now.

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> Thanks,

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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph

> January 7, 1910

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> MUCH INTEREST TAKEN IN PLANS OF VIRGINIAN

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> Maps Filed in Clerk's Office For Two Routes Through County

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> DICKENSON COUNTY COALFIELD OBJECTIVE

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> One Plan Calls for Line Along Foothills of East River Mountain and Through Bluefield and Graham to St. Clair

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> NORFOLK AND WESTERN SURVEY TO PRINCETON

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>     The Norfolk and Western has finished surveying a line to Princeton from Oakvale.  About twenty-five engineers have been on the ground for some time working out a route from Oakvale to the county seat and another corps has been working out a route from Ingleside to Princeton.

>     These plans are only in line with a route which was recorded in the clerk's office some years ago but whether the Norfolk and Western will take a route through Princeton to the Widemouth territory is not known.  The men who worked on the route for about a month were silent about any plans which the railroad might have and the people of Princeton only know that the survey has been made.

>     It was also leaned yesterday that the Virginian has filed maps in the clerk's office for two routes through Mercer county both of which are intended to reach the coal in Dickenson county, Va.

>     One of these routes will pass through Bluefield, following the foothills of the East River mountain from Ingleside to this city and from here through Graham to a point in Virginia near St. Clair or Cedar Bluff.  The Virginian has also filed a map of another line which will run from Princeton to some point on the main line where it will turn down into the Walton property at Falls Mills.  From there the route is problematical, as it will go into Virginia, but it was said yesterday that the plan was to go up the hollow at Falls Mills and from there go over into Dickenson county through some route which had been planned on a geological contour map.  As is known this is the same plan as was followed in the building of the Virginian.

>     A third route for the Virginian, maps for which have been filed, is to take the road from Rock over to Pocahontas and from there up Laurel Creek and over into the Virginia coal which seems to be the objective point in all the plans of all of the roads that are coming through this section.  A man who is acquainted with the records in the clerk's office said yesterday that the Norfolk and Western has a map filed for a route from Ingleside to Bluefield through South Bluefield but as the local road has its main line located on the north side of the city it is unlikely that it would build through South Bluefield.

>     Considerable interest is being taken in the plans of the Virginian on account of the fact that the people believe that the road intends to pass through this city and it looks as if it were up to the chamber of commerce to have the road adopt a route through this city instead of through another part of the county several miles from Bluefield.

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> [I wonder if the maps referred to are still in the Clerk's office?]

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> Gordon Hamilton

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