NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 43, Issue 19 - N&W in 1909 - Lumber road

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Pocahontas Division TT No. 27, effective Nov. 21, 1926 -- and possibly 
others of that era -- shows the Lewis Creek Branch extending from Putnam 
(about a mile east of Honaker) and following Lewis Creek north to the 
stations of Laurel, Tarkiln, Russell, Drill and Garden.  No distance are 
given, but topo maps show it to have been about 7 miles in length.  Garden 
was about a mile south of the Russell-Buchanan County line.

At that time passenger service was provided by trains Nos. 223 and 224 daily 
except Sunday.  The line was operated jointly by the N&W and the White Oak 
Lumber Co. under N&W rules.  The N&W could operate between the hours of 1:00 
AM and 1:00 PM, and the White Oak :Lumber Co. between 1:00 PM and 1:00 AM. 

>From the published schedules, I suspect that the same crew that operated on 

the Honaker Branch also operated on the Lewis Creek Branch during their tour 
of duty.

It appears that present-day Virginia State Route #624 might have been built 
on the old right-of-way.  Although Lewis Creek Branch did not operate beyond 
Garden, it's possible that a lumber road could have been built beyond that 
point into Buchanan County.

Louis Newton
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>   1. N&W in  1909--New filter (NW Mailing List)

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>   4. N&W in 1909--Lumber Road (NW Mailing List)

>   5. Re: NW-Mailing-List Digest, Vol 43, Issue 17 - N&W in 1909 -

>      Improvements (NW Mailing List)

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> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:40:34 -0400

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> Subject: N&W in  1909--New filter

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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph

> September 1, 1909

>

> THE GRAHAM DAILY NEWS

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> New Filter a Blessing

>    Communities that are interested in cleaning their supply of drinking 

> water from impurities might profit by investigating a new process in the 

> way of a filter which has just been installed by the Norfolk and Western 

> railroad at Williamson.  The new filter differs very materially from 

> anything of the kind heretofore in use, and railroad men who have 

> inspected it, are of the opinion that it will prove a blessing to humanity 

> so unfortunate as to be deprived of access to pure spring water.  The new 

> filter at Williamson is the result of the ingenuity of a Mr. Smith of 

> Charleston, and he secured a patent on his invention.  The filter is 

> constructed of a sort of net work of brass pipes, having slots so delicate 

> that ordinary writing paper will not pass through them.  The whole 

> arrangement is imbedded several feet under the creek bed and the mud and 

> gravel in the bottom of the creek act in conjunction with the filter in 

> catching the germs from the water.  The railroad company inst

> alled the filter for the use of their employes at Williamson who are 

> forced to get their water for domestic purposes from Tug River.  The 

> arrangement is right expensive, it would seem, as it cost nearly $15,000, 

> but if the waters of Tug River at Williamson can be made pure by passing 

> through it, it is cheap at most any cost.

> ------

> [Modern complex and expensive water purification plants must be 

> superfluous if such a simple device turned the black water that flowed in 

> Tug River in those days into pure, germ-free drinking water.]

>

> Gordon Hamilton

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> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:38:53 -0500

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> Subject: RE: branch line equipment

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> Jim,

>

> Glad to help.  I also have a modeling interest in Pokey operations prior 

> to

> 1960 and have started collating info gradually collected over time.

> Apparently for its size,  Eckman was a zoo, so there could be a lot to 

> sort

> out.  I can post excerpts of interest as the material gels.  Even Byrd

> Yard/North Fork was busy enough that when the passenger run returned, the

> crew found it more expedient to "jerk 'em by" to get around their train.

>

> Grant Carpenter

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>> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:47:24 -0400

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>> Subject: Re: branch line equipment

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>> Garnt,

>> Thank you very much for the information on the North Fork branch

> passenger

>> ops.  I am also interested in the mine runs and operations Byrd/Eckman.

> My

>> paternal grandfather was a motorman at Zenith and lived in Crumpler.  My

>> Mom's family lived at McDowell worked Greenbriar.  (One of these years)

> I'd

>> like to model this area in some detail and would appreciate any/all

>> information you can provide.

>> Thanks again,

>> Jim Cochran

>>

>> dcochran116 at roadrunnmer.com

>>

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>> Subject: Re: branch line equipment

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>>

>> >I understand only E2a's were used on the Bluestone passenger run, but an

> M

>> > (#421) was used on the Bluestone Shifter.  E2a's were also used on the

> Tug

>> > and Dry Fork passenger runs, but M #396 or #439 was used on the North

> Fork

>> > Hollow passenger run.  Equipment on the North Fork run was one coach

> and a

>> > baggage/coach.  Two round trips a day (previously five), three on

>> > Saturday,

>> > they pulled up the branch to Crumpler, running around the train at 

>> > Coach

>> > Siding and backed out.  Kids rode to school in North Fork on a pass for

> $2

>> > a month.  Towards the end anyway, the extent of mixed traffic was a

> 50-ton

>> > gon of sand every Monday to Cherokee that was shoved ahead of the

> engine.

>> > The crew worked out of Eckman where the equipment was serviced

> (including

>> > waste rubs every night).  Between runs up the Hollow, the job worked

>> > Keystone with empties out of Byrd Yard (no pulling loads!).  The run 

>> > got

>> > pulled in 1950 when Eckman closed.

>> >

>> > Grant Carpenter

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>> >> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:41:33 -0400

>> >> From: NW Mailing List <nw-mailing-list at nwhs.org>

>> >> Subject: branch line equipment

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>> >> Hi,

>> >> Saw reference on the modeling list to class E being used for passenger

>> > service on the Bluestone branch.  Does anybody know what motive power

>> > and/or passenger cars was used on the Northfork Branch (Northfork to

>> > Crumpler).  I'd like this information from any time period, but

>> > particularly interested in the 1940's through end of service.

>> >> Thanks,

>> >> Jim Cochran

>> >>

>> >> dcochran116 at roadrunner.c

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> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:47:51 -0400

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> Subject: RE: M-2s' On the Abingdon Branch

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> Thanks to Ed and Jim for responding and confirming what I thought to be 

> the case.  I certainly couldn't recall ever seeing a picture of a M-2 on 

> the line. The bridges/trestles not being designed and built to handle the 

> weight of an M-2 was my assumption too.

>

> Thanks, Ed Painter -  Narrows, VA currently living in Russellville, AR

>

>

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> No.  Only Ms.  If M-1s were ever used, I believe it would have had to be

> before the terminal was moved to Bristol.  The M-1s were gone by the end 

> of

> 1947.  The M-2s were too heavy.

>

> Ed King

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>> Were M-2's ever used on the Abingdon (Virginia-Carolina/Virginia Creeper)

>> Branch ?  I can't recall ever seeing M-2's in any pictures of steam

>> operations on the line.  Virtually all the pictures I have seen show the

>> older, smaller M's or M-1's.

>>

>> Ed Painter - Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR.

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> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:20:58 -0400

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> Subject: N&W in 1909--Lumber Road

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> Bluefield Daily Telegraph

> September 2, 1909

>

> CONTRACT AWARDED FOR TWELVE MILES OF ROAD

> ------

> Walton & company Will Begin at Once Construction of Line From Honaker into 

> Buchanan County

>

>    Walton & Company, according to news just received from Honaker, Va,. 

> have been awarded the contract for grading twelve miles of railroad for 

> the Honaker Lumber Company from Honaker to Buchanan county.  Work will be 

> started at once.

>    The road is to be used as a lumber road, and the entire length when 

> completed will be about thirty miles.  It will tap the timber areas owned 

> by the company in Russell, Buchanan and Dickinson counties.

>    The company is employing a big force of men on its plant at Honaker and 

> rushing construction to completion as rapidly as possible.

> ------

> [Anyone have any info on this lumber railroad?  1916 topo maps show a 

> lumber railroad north out of Putnam, just east of Honaker, winding around 

> as it followed several water courses in Russell, Buchanan and Dickinson 

> counties.  A Shay Website lists 6 Shays at Honaker, and a Climax Website 

> lists a 36" gauge Climax at Honaker.]

>

> Gordon Hamilton

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> It's ironic that according to my records, exactly 50 years ago today, May 

> 11, 1959, the eastward main track between MP N-642 and Lunbeck was taken 

> out of service, thus severing a 10-mile section of double track on the 

> Columbus District. On the next day, the 12th, a new switch was placed in 

> service at the end of double track at MP N-642, and the westbound local 

> was the first train over it. The old westward main then became the 

> remaining single track between there and Lunbeck, with train movements 

> controlled by CTC. Needless to say, the Columbus District was never the 

> same afterward, with a 10-mile bottlneck in the middle of an otherwise 

> high-capacity double-track district.?

> ?

> Louis Newton

>

> With the main line through Farmville abandoned, westbounds now operate via 

> the Farmville Belt Line.? It's

> about 16 miles between the passing siding at Abilene and the siding at 

> Pamplin.? There was a passing

> siding between these two points - Maloney.? It?was about 9300 ft. in 

> length, but was removed in

> the 60's after the VGN merger.? It would seem that?placing Maloney back in 

> service would avoid stand-offs

> at Abilene or Pamplin, but the powers that be figured that there'd be no 

> benefit because the time

> lost entering the?restored siding would put the train?at? either end of 

> the 16-mile single track segment.

>

> NS has also made a revision at MP 239 - Blue Ridge District.? This is at 

> the east end of double track

> at Montvale.??There? HAD been an equilateral turnout good for 70 MPH where 

> the two main tracks

> become one.? The speed through the turnout was later lowered to 50 

> MPH.???The equilateral turnout

> has been replaced by what looks?to be?a #20.? From Roanoke to MP 239 

> (shown as Montvale in the

> timetable) both tracks are signaled for movement in either direction,? but 

> westbounds going to #2

> track (the northern-most track) must take?the ?diverging route.??Is this a 

> new engineering practice ?

> Come in Gary Price, where ever you are.

> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Harry Bundy

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