Ike "Special"

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Gordon:

Good job on the "Ike Special" details.

I reported this once before, but it seems fitting to recall that the 
Roanoke-Peterson segment FLEW right through Bedford, to the dismay of Co 
A (116th Inf, 29th Div) survivors of the D-Day Normandy landings (with 
devastating losses of Bedford's Co A National Guard contingent, in the 
lead wave) assembled at the Bedford station with many town and county 
people to greet Ike.  Ike did appear at the platform on the last car and 
waved as the train sped through town, clearly unaware of the 
significance of the opportunity presented for a commander's words to a 
town whose WW II sacrifice was so deep.

Someone in Bedford should have given advance notice to the Eisenhower 
campaign about Bedford's D-Day losses.  Perhaps the attempt was made, 
with the campaign dropping the ball.  In any case, someone in the 
campaign failed in getting the homework straight.  The N&W was not 
responsible for prepping the campaign, but I have to wonder if anyone, 
in reviewing the Roanoke forward schedule, caught the omission of a, 
say, five minute Bedford stop for an appointment with history.

Frank Gibson

NW Mailing List wrote:

> The operation of the 18-car Eisenhower Special 9/26/52 involved a lot 

> of planning as detailed in Vol. 3 of Louis Newton's Rails Remembered 

> as well as in six pages of N&W instructions in the society's 

> Archives.  To give an idea of the planning involved in what may seem 

> to be a simple movement, the following items have been extracted from 

> the above-mentioned sources:

>

> The two Class J engines, 600 and 604, and two N&W dining cars, 493 and 

> 494 with dining room ends together, and one rider coach were sent to 

> Winston-Salem that morning.  Two Southern dining cars in the Special 

> were to

> be cut out and replaced by the two N&W dining cars upon arrival of the 

> Special in Winston-Salem.  Specific instructions were given not to 

> separate the rear seven cars that were connected by a (wired) 

> communication system.

>

> No. 55 symbol 57 with engines 2176 and 2125 was sent to Winston-Salem 

> the previous day so that the Y6b, 2176, could follow the Special from 

> Winston-Salem to Roanoke.  Engine 2125 was not to be permitted to leave

> Winston-Salem until Engine 2176 had been inspected and found OK to 

> follow the Special.

>

> The Special had a detailed schedule to follow and was to stop opposite 

> South Roanoke park with the engines near the Roanoke River bridge so 

> that Ike could address the crowd that had assembled in the park.  It 

> arrived two

> minutes ahead of schedule.  While the Special was stopped for Ike's 

> address, the 600 and 604 were replaced by 612 and 613 for the 

> Special's trip to Petersburg, where the ACL would take over to Richmond.

>

> The N&W had a fairly tight utilization schedule for the 14 Class J's, 

> so with four asssigned to the Special and the 602 in Ro. Shops for 

> classified repairs, a third of the Class J's were not available for 

> their regular assignments.  Some interesting substitutions were made 

> as follows according to company documents:

>

>    9/25 Train 23, Roanoke to Williamson, Class K

>

>    9/26 Train 24, Williamson to Roanoke, Class K

>

>    9/26 Train 10, Roanoke to Monroe, Class K

>

>    9/26 Train 9, Monroe to Roanoke, Class K

>

>    [The above relieved two Class J engines to be sent to Winston-Salem 

> 9/26 for the Special.]

>

>    9/26 Train 23, Roanoke to Williamson, Class K

>

>    9/27 Train 24, Williamson to Roanoke, Class K

>

>    9/26 Train 4, arriving Roanoke, remove Class J

>

>    [The above provided two Class J engines for the Roanoke to 

> Petersburg Special on 9/26.]

>

>    9/26 Train 26, Roanoke to Petersburg, Class K [Replace at 

> Petersburg with one of the Class J engines off the Special.  Return 

> Class K and other Class J promptly to Roanoke.]

>

>    9/26 Train 18, Roaoke to Monroe, Class K

>

>    9/26 Train 45, Monroe to Roanoke, Class K

>

>    [The above was to "...afford proper protection at Roanoke."

>

>    9/26 One of the Class J engines off the Special in Roanoke was to 

> be forwarded promptly to Bristol to protect American Bankers' 

> Association Special, Bristol to Lynchburg, same night, and upon 

> release at Lynchburg was to be returned promptly to Roanoke.

>

>    Additionally, Louis Newton's Vol 3 reports:

>

>    9/26  AM, No. 41 Roanoke to Bristol, Class A 1242

>

>    9/26  PM, No. 10 Bristol to Roanoke, Class K1 104 (normally 

> assigned to Pulaski Dist. freight service)

>

>    9/26 PM, No. 26 arrived Roanoke, Class K2a 137 (a Scioto Division 

> engine)

>

>    9/26 PM, No. 26 departed Roanoke, Class J 604 (off the Special from 

> Winston-Salem)

>

> So, it's easy to see that Precision Transportation did not just 

> happen, it involved lots of planning.  [Two days prior to operation of 

> the Eisenhower Special from Winston-Salem to Roanoke, Class J engines 

> 611 and 613 handled

> the Special from Columbus to Kenova.]

>

> Gordon Hamilton

>

> .

>

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> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 5:38 PM

> Subject: Re: Steam question regarding the Shenandoah Division

>

>

>> Steam question regarding the Shenandoah Division

>>

>>

>>

>> I would like to add a few comments regarding this question that has been

>> much discussed during the past several days.

>>

>> I agree with Bud Jeffries' comments that the A's and J's were not the

>> ideal locomotives for the Shenandoah Division.  In passenger service, 

>> the

>> K-2's were all that were needed to handle passenger trains that rarely

>> exceeded 7 seven cars in length.  That's not to say that a J might not

>> occasionally have been operated in a detour movement.  And two J's did

>> quite capably handle General Eisenhower's 18-car campaign train on 

>> the W-S

>> District in 1952.  (Please see RAILS REMEMBERED, Volume 3, pp. 666-668.)

>> Incidentally, according to the division superintendent's instructions

>> regarding that movment, a Y-6 -- not a J -- followed the train north 

>> from

>> W-S.

>>

>> In regular freight service with tonnage trains, the principal heavy 

>> grades

>> encountered by A's were the 10-mile Kingston Hill on the Columbus 

>> District

>> and the Blue Ridge grade on the Norfolk Division.  The Y-6's were better

>> suited for the long, heavy grades on the Shenandoah Division, where they

>> could operate more efficiently at relatively low speeds than the A's 

>> could

>> have done.  It's true that there were places on the Shenandoah Division

>> where relatively high speed operation was possible; e. g., north of 

>> Front

>> Royal in both directions, northbound from Lofton to Waynesboro, and

>> southbound from Troutville to Roanoke.  In such territory the Y-6's 

>> could

>> DRIFT at high speeds, probably up to 60 MPH, which is why Gordon 

>> Hamilton

>> found so many broken parts on them.  But it was hard to WORK a Y-6 with

>> tonnage much above 45 MPH.  As far as the Mechancial Department was

>> concerned a 45-MPH speed limit would have been desirable.

>>

>> A similar situation existed on the Cincinnait District, where Y-5's 

>> could

>> DRIFT at high speed in much of the territory east of Peebles.

>>

>> Louis Newton

>

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