Tidewater in 1907 -- World Record?

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The bridge over the East River associated with now removed "crossover"
(E-bound N&W to E-bound VGN) is still in place as George shows in the
attachment.  It can be driven over with a vehicle.  Railway personnel
use it to access the N&W on the far side of the East River for
maintenance and such.  It doesn't have a solid deck.  You drive on the
bridge crossties.  It is however very solid.

 

Ed Painter; from Narrows, VA living in Russellville, AR

 

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Maybe the attached aerial view of Kellysville, WV will help.  I hope the
labels are self explanatory.  One comment, the original arrangement
should probably be called a "crossover" because it connected two
parallel lines.  The present arrangement should probably be called a
"connection" inasmuch as the former VGN for several miles east of
Kellysville has been removed to make way for the four-lane US 460.

 

The original crossover also included a bridge, since removed, over old
US 460.  The bridge over East River was still in place the last time I
checked it, and it shows on the aerial view.

 

Gordon Hamilton

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I need a map of this. Ron

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Harry: You have the Kellysville connections backwards. The original
connection allowed eastbounds to cross from N&W to Vgn. (I guess the
westbound empties would have had to back to get from N&W to Vgn). The
connection did not cross New River, but did allow N&W trains to cross it
on the Vgn at Glen Lyn. Later, when the state of Virginia wanted the Vgn
right of way through the narrows, The Kellysville connection was
reversed, so that eastbound Vgn trains crossed over to N&W (and
westbounds ran straight across too), and the new crossover east of
Narrows got them back to the Vgn, crossing New River on a new bridge.
Jim Nichols

	 

	Hind - sight is 20/20.  This wasn't my observation, 
	but rather one of the late R. D. Painter, N&W.  Following
	the merger with the VGN,  N&W  built  a connection with
	 the VGN across the New River west of Glen Lyn.
	Eastward coal trains from Bluefield had to back thru
	the connection, crossing the New River to reach the
	VGN, then head east to Roanoke.  For empty trains to
	 Elmore, they merely headed thru the connection. 
	Later this connection was changed so  that eastbound
	coal trains from Bluefield merely headed across the river.
	Having sold the former VGN right-of-way to improve the
	alignment of U.S. 460, N&W then built a connection 
	across the New River east of Narrows (and west of
	Celco).
	
	But suppose N&W had built the connection, not east of
	Narrows, but rather to cross the New River east of
	Belspring to hook up with the VGN near the horseshoe
	curve mentioned ?  Service to Celanese could be 
	maintained thru the connection at Klotz (?) provided the
	former VGN was kept it place Klotz-Celco.   The "pipe
	dream" connection was timetable west of the Whitethorne
	helper station and the climb to Merrimac Tunnel, so the
	pusher district would not have to be altered.  Probably
	N&W would have restored double track Belspring and
	beyond, which would improve traffic flow. The former
	VGN track Klotz to the horseshoe curve would be retired. 
	                                                          Harry
Bundy 

	
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