Through Truss TT Bridge (Was Re: N&W in 1903 -- New Rail)

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You ask what were the facilities at Waynesboro concerning turntable and 
coaling the locomotives. To add further to what Gordon said, the N&W MP 
Dept's Data Book No. II, revised 8-21-1951, lists Waynesboro having a 115' 
turntable installed in 1918, and one "Norfolk Style" coal hoist that served 
one track. The bucket capacity for this particular coal hoist was 3 1/3 cu. 
yard. There was no "coaling station", or tower, listed for Waynesboro.

I remember Radford having one Norfolk style coal hoist which the referenced 
data book stated it had; however Radford is listed as serving two tracks. 
There was only track that the locomotive tender was spotted to have the coal 
dumped into, but there were two tracks with hoppers for unloading the coal 
into the hoist. This data book I believe is referring to the "Number of 
Tracks Served" to mean the number of tracks with hoppers serving the hoist.

The previous discussion has included the use of both yard and road coal as 
fuel. Radford had both road and yard power being dispatched from that 
terminal--thus the need for two different types of coal and two tracks. If 
someone else has more knowledge about this, please advise me.

Bud Jeffries

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>I have very little information on the steam loco facilities at Waynesboro, 

>but Jeff's mention of no evidence of a coaling tower could be explained by 

>the likelihood that there was no coaling tower.  I am familiar with the 

>coaling arrangement that was used in the early 1950s at Durham, which may 

>have serviced more locomotives than Waynesboro, i.e., at Durham each day 

>there were one to three Y6 locomotives on through freights, a Z on the 

>local freight, an S on the yard, and a K1 on the passenger train.

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> Durham had no coaling tower.  The tenders were filled with coal from a 

> Norfolk style hoist.  This type hoist had a bucket that descended on an 

> inclined track into a pit beneath two tracks, one track for hopper cars 

> with yard coal and one track for hopper cars with road coal.  The bucket 

> could be spotted for loading under either track.  After the bucket was 

> loaded with the proper coal for the type locomotive being coaled, it would 

> be hoisted up the inclined track and dumped into the tender.

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> Durham had no ash hoist.  The ashes were simply dumped on a metal sheet 

> over top of the ties on the "spark track" to be shoveled up later.

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> The 1943 N&W Annual Report states that a Norfolk type coal hoist was 

> constructed at Waynesboro.  So, that could account for evidence of one 

> pit. If Waynesboro also had an ash hoist, it out classed Durham.

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> Also, drawings with "proposed" in the title can be unreliable, for I have 

> seen many that were part of a study that never came to fruition.

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> Maybe more definitive info will turn up from others.

>

> Gordon Hamilton

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>> Jeff,

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>> I have copies of two drawings that I obtained from the Society's 

>> archives; the earliest is Drawing A21155, dated August 24, 1920, with a 

>> last revision date of August 29, 1923.  This drawing notes "proposed" 

>> change is track to allow clearance  for the ash hoist and proposed coal 

>> hoist; both of these are shown on a track that would roughly follow the 

>> curve of the C&O track.

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>> The second drawing is A29329 dated December 1, 1928 with no revision 

>> dates noted; it shows a "proposed coal & ash hoist" that would be on a 

>> siding that roughly parallels the N&W mainline and fit between it and one 

>> of the turntable leads; this drawing shows the locations of, what I 

>> presume to be, an existing "coah house" and "coal wharf." It also shows 

>> the "Yard Office" to be at the end of the spur track that parallels the 

>> C&O track, albeit on a lower level.

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>> Both drawings note the turntable length to be 115 feet.

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>> I've never been able to figure out exactly what was there; as this will 

>> be the last portion of my model railroad to be completed, I hope that if 

>> I live that long, to finally figure out what was there and represent it 

>> as best as possible.

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>> On p. 33 of Warden's "Norfolk & Western: Diesel's Last Conquest," there 

>> is a photo of a southbound GOP special; on the left of the photo are 

>> steps that I presume led to the turntable area.  On p. 34, there is a 

>> photo of M-2 1119, the "regular" Waynesboro switcher on what I presume is 

>> the ash pit track, with the ash hoist in the back of the locomotive.

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>> I don't know if Mr. Warden took more photos of this area; I would suspect 

>> he did given the fact that it was the "engine terminal" and would 

>> naturally attract a photographer's attention.

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>> I'd love to learn more about this area and/or find additional photographs 

>> that might clear up the actual track/servicing arrangement.

>>

>> Jim Brewer

>> Glenwood MD

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>>> Although the bridge from the Waynesboro is gone, the pit remains. 

>>> Curiously, there seems to have been an ash hoist but no coaling tower.

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>>> Jeff Cornelius

>>> Two Blocks from the N&W Valley Line

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>>> "Several years ago,

>>> Mainline Modeler magazine ran a series of articles on Waynesboro; 

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>>> focus was on the C&O, and the source material and photos from the C&OHS,

>>> the articles contained a lot of info, including a photo of the N&W

>>> turntable."

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>>> Thanks

>>> Jim,

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>>>    I have that series, but, just

>>> like those photos I was going through, haven't looked at them for a 

>>> while.

>>> I'll go back and see if the two pictures are the same.

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