A tender question regarding a photo in the latest Arrow
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Brent: The 111 is at the top of page 10 in my N&W in Color. Jim Nichols
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> Thank you Mr. Jeffries,
>
> I still have a couple of specifics that I hope you can help with.
> From what I have gathered, the B&LE tenders already had brakeman's
> doghouses on them (with an entryway that was recessed into the top of
> the tender deck.) Were these replaced with a different style
> "cupola"? Where were the additional handrails added? What was
> different about the N&W style of buffer? and lastly, did the tender
> placed behind the K1 locomotive also receive one of the brakeman
> doghouses/cupolas, or was this only for the ones placed behind Y3a
> locomotives.
>
> I still have not been able to find any photograph of K1 #111 that has
> the ex-B&LE tender. If someone knows of one, this could go a long way
> toward answering some specifics.
>
> Were there ever any other tenders acquired from other roads besides
> the ex-ACL R1 tenders used behind Y4s, the ex-C&O tenders behind the
> K1s, and these ex-B&LEs behind the Y3a's and K1 #111?
>
> Brent Greer
>
>
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> Dr. J. Brent Greer
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> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo in the latest Arrow
> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:00:27 -0500
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo in the latest
> Arrow
>
> Mr. Jeffries (or anyone else who may know),
>
> Brent, here are your answers after each question.
>
> Were the ex-B&LE tenders placed in service on the N&W
> unchanged from the way that they were received from B&LE or
> did they receive modifications? If changed, what
> modifications were made?
>
> They were reconditioned and outfitted with a back light,
> cupola for the head end brakeman, additional handrails,
> inspection holes, drawbars between the engine and tender, and
> the style of buffer used by the N&W.
>
> Also, while on the subject of foreign road tenders, did all of
> the ex-C&O/Pere Marquette tenders get placed behind N&W K1
> engines, or did any other locomotives receive these as well?
>
> All eight of these tenders were applied to the K1's.
>
> What tenders did the K1 engines have that were converted to
> oil burners?
>
> The one photo I have seen had a 18,000-gallon cast steel water
> bottom tender, dated December 1946.
>
> Lastly, did any of the K1 engines keep their N&W designed
> tenders for their entire service lives?
>
> The K1's were built with either the 9,000-gallon or
> 12,000-gallon N&W tender. In the mid-20s, they all got the
> 16,000-gallon N&W variety and they remained on the K1's until
> the K2's were modernized and streamlined. At this time they
> all got the 18,000-gallon cast steel water bottom type. This
> type remained on seven K1's until the end and the other nine
> got the second hand tenders [eight ex-C&O and one ex-B&LE].
>
> Sincerest thanks,
>
> Brent Greer
>
> Sam, as a follow-on to your question about what engine/tenders
> going to the DM&IR, I verified that none of the B&LE tenders
> received by the N&W went to the Missabe. There were 18 2-10-4s
> that went to the Missabe and all went there in 1951. The N&W
> tenders came off of the B&LE in 1953 when the nine locomotives
> listed below were retired that year.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bud Jeffries
>
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> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo in the latest
> Arrow
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:18:43 -0500
>
> Sam,
>
> I have been unable to verify this, but I believe these
> tenders came from 2-10-4's not used by the DM&IR. I have
> attempted to find a B&LE roster to get the engine numbers
> bought by the Missabe, but haven't found one yet. What I
> do know is the N&W tenders came from B&LE locomotives 601,
> 602, 606, 607, 609, 612, 613, 615 and 616. Of the
> forty-some B&LE 2-10-4's, I seem to remember that about 18
> went to the DM&IR.
>
> Maybe one of mailing list members has this information.
>
> Bud Jeffries
>
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> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:43 PM
> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo in
> the latest Arrow
>
> Bud,
>
> Did any of those tenders go to the DM&IR from the B&LE
> and then to the N&W, or were those different locomotives?
>
> Sam Putney
>
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> Subject: Re: A tender question regarding a photo
> in the latest Arrow
>
> In 1953-54, the N&W purchased secondhand nine
> 22000-gallon tenders that had been used by
> the Bessemer & Lake Erie on its 2-10-4s. Of the
> nine the N&W got, one was applied to a K1 and the
> other eight to Y3a's. The 2061 had tender number
> 220304 which it received in January 1954 at the
> Roanoke Shops.
>
> Bud Jeffries
>
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> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:47 PM
> Subject: A tender question regarding a photo
> in the latest Arrow
>
> In the new issue of the Arrow, at the top of
> page 10, there is a photograph of Y3a #2061
> leading a coal train.
>
> The tender of this locomotive has a very
> different look to it, compared to other N&W
> tenders I am familiar with and have
> photographs of (for comparison, just look at
> the one behind Y3a #2070 at the end of the
> train in the lower picture of that same page)
>
> Can someone please identify the tender in use
> behind #2061 in the upper photograph and
> perhaps supply some history as to its origins?
>
> Sincere thanks for any and all responses.
>
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> Dr. J. Brent Greer
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