A tender question regarding a photo in the latest Arrow

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Mr. Jeffries (or anyone else who may know),

Brent, here are your answers after each question.

Were the ex-B&LE tenders placed in service on the N&W unchanged from the way that they were received from B&LE or did they receive modifications? If changed, what modifications were made?

They were reconditioned and outfitted with a back light, cupola for the head end brakeman, additional handrails, inspection holes, drawbars between the engine and tender, and the style of buffer used by the N&W.

Also, while on the subject of foreign road tenders, did all of the ex-C&O/Pere Marquette tenders get placed behind N&W K1 engines, or did any other locomotives receive these as well?

All eight of these tenders were applied to the K1's.

What tenders did the K1 engines have that were converted to oil burners?

The one photo I have seen had a 18,000-gallon cast steel water bottom tender, dated December 1946.

Lastly, did any of the K1 engines keep their N&W designed tenders for their entire service lives?

The K1's were built with either the 9,000-gallon or 12,000-gallon N&W tender. In the mid-20s, they all got the 16,000-gallon N&W variety and they remained on the K1's until the K2's were modernized and streamlined. At this time they all got the 18,000-gallon cast steel water bottom type. This type remained on seven K1's until the end and the other nine got the second hand tenders [eight ex-C&O and one ex-B&LE].

Sincerest thanks,

Brent Greer

Sam, as a follow-on to your question about what engine/tenders going to the DM&IR, I verified that none of the B&LE tenders received by the N&W went to the Missabe. There were 18 2-10-4s that went to the Missabe and all went there in 1951. The N&W tenders came off of the B&LE in 1953 when the nine locomotives listed below were retired that year.

Hope this helps,

Bud Jeffries



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Sam,

I have been unable to verify this, but I believe these tenders came from 2-10-4's not used by the DM&IR. I have attempted to find a B&LE roster to get the engine numbers bought by the Missabe, but haven't found one yet. What I do know is the N&W tenders came from B&LE locomotives 601, 602, 606, 607, 609, 612, 613, 615 and 616. Of the forty-some B&LE 2-10-4's, I seem to remember that about 18 went to the DM&IR.

Maybe one of mailing list members has this information.

Bud Jeffries
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Bud,

Did any of those tenders go to the DM&IR from the B&LE and then to the N&W, or were those different locomotives?

Sam Putney

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In 1953-54, the N&W purchased secondhand nine 22000-gallon tenders that had been used by the Bessemer & Lake Erie on its 2-10-4s. Of the nine the N&W got, one was applied to a K1 and the other eight to Y3a's. The 2061 had tender number 220304 which it received in January 1954 at the Roanoke Shops.

Bud Jeffries
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Subject: A tender question regarding a photo in the latest Arrow


In the new issue of the Arrow, at the top of page 10, there is a photograph of Y3a #2061 leading a coal train.

The tender of this locomotive has a very different look to it, compared to other N&W tenders I am familiar with and have photographs of (for comparison, just look at the one behind Y3a #2070 at the end of the train in the lower picture of that same page)

Can someone please identify the tender in use behind #2061 in the upper photograph and perhaps supply some history as to its origins?

Sincere thanks for any and all responses.




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